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This guy is an NBA player and potentially a good one. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Johnson. That Wyoming team is younger this year and with a few tweaks they could be undefeated. Hes 42% 3 in volume and almost 85% in FT volume with near the highest usage rate on both stats. Up until the last two games his TO's were reasonable and assist rate good. Also is a rebounder for his position.
Right now looking at Kyle Collinsworth David Walker and Josh Adams for the G positions. I think we need some athleticism and speed potentially coupled with intangibles and 3 point shooting.
Were talking 45--60 and undrafted

BRIGGS wrote:This guy is an NBA player and potentially a good one. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Johnson. That Wyoming team is younger this year and with a few tweaks they could be undefeated. Hes 42% 3 in volume and almost 85% in FT volume with near the highest usage rate on both stats. Up until the last two games his TO's were reasonable and assist rate good. Also is a rebounder for his position.
Right now looking at Kyle Collinsworth David Walker and Josh Adams for the G positions. I think we need some athleticism and speed potentially coupled with intangibles and 3 point shooting.
Were talking 45--60 and undrafted

good find BRIGGS ..youve done it again

DAMMIT BRIGGS youve done it again. lol. this kid is amazing. im up at 2am just watching clips of this kid.

barring injury this kid should earn a spot in the NBA. currently averaging 25.5/5.5rebs/4.2asts. shooting range with hops and athleticism. YIKES...defintely gonna keep an eye on this kid!!

callmened wrote:DAMMIT BRIGGS youve done it again. lol. this kid is amazing. im up at 2am just watching clips of this kid.

barring injury this kid should earn a spot in the NBA. currently averaging 25.5/5.5rebs/4.2asts. shooting range with hops and athleticism. YIKES...defintely gonna keep an eye on this kid!!

Well I think we have to look at pick 45 and down. Now hes got NBA athletic ability and speed-- that he is shooting the 3 at 43% in 3 point volume getting to the line etc.. Now his physical talent which cannot be taught would have to be cultivated into an NBA player. Hes only a 2 year old senior and looks like he would be a nightly sensation in Westchester where he could hone his skills as a PG for a year (or if he played well enough to be called up) but how many guys who are NOT on draft radars have his physical abilities at 6-2? Lottery talent in a late 2nd round pick player=potential steal. There are other guys I like---and again Im thinking 45 top undrafted---but with our guards we need to take 3-4 players into SL next year other than Jerian Grant. Im not bringing Gallloway back--hes been there 2 times already and hes going to be 25. Guys like Collingsworth could be a nice undrafted player--can he be turned into a 6-6 PG can he improve his 3 point shot? We'll need much more info--what juniors and seniors might come out etc.. but I would really emphasize my guards here--like taking a dart board and hoping to find one good shot from 4-5 tries--maybe if lucky 2. We need aggressive mindset

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Ben Simmons F
#2 Branden Ingram F G
#3 Kris Dunn PG
#4 Grayson Allen 6-5 G
#5 Michael Gbingie PG/ G
#6 Jakob Poetl C
#7 Denzel Valentine G
#8 Demetrius Jackson PG
#9 Melo Trimble PG
#10 Domantas Sabonis F
11 Jamall Murray PG/G
12 Brice Johnson F
13 A J Hammonds C
14 Daniel Hamilton PG?SG
15 David Walker SG

Update
#1 Ben Simmons F
#2 Branden Ingram F G
#3 Kris Dunn PG
#4 Grayson Allen 6-5 G
#5 Domantas Sabonis F
#6 A J Hammonds C
#7 Jakob Poetl C
#8 Melo Trimble PG
#9 Buddy Hield SG
#10 Dwayne Bacon SG
11 Jamall Murray PG/G
12 Brice Johnson F
13 Denzel Valentine SG
14 Daniel Hamilton PG?SG
15 Diamond Stone C

My list

1) Ben Simmons (PG-SF-PF / 6-9, 240 / Age 19 / LSU) - i think he will be a solid NBA role player. I dont think hes a franchise savior (unless he learns how to shoot). A little pigeon holed - without the ball in his hands he's useless
20.5 PTS, 13.1 REB, 5.4 AST, 2.1 STL, 1.4 BLK, 57.4 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 74.8 FT% (13 GP / 34.1 MIN)

2) Brandon Ingram (SF / 6-8, 196 / Age 18 / Duke) - started off slow and still has a lot of work to do but he has a lot of potential as scoring wing
16.4 PTS, 6.0 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.2 BLK, 48.3 FG%, 37.3 3P%, 62.1 FT% (14 GP / 30.1 MIN)

3) Dragan Bender (PF / 6-11 1/2, 216 / Age 18 / Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv) - picture Porzingus but with better defense, speed and ball handling
4.6 PTS, 2.0 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.4 STL, 0.7 BLK, 45.5 FG%, 45.7 3P%, 70.6 FT% (19 GP / 12.7 MIN)

4) Kris Dunn (PG/ 6-3, 205 / Age 21 / Providence) - best PG in the draft PERIOD
17.5 PTS, 6.4 REB, 7.3 AST, 3.1 STL, 0.9 BLK, 47.7 FG%, 36.8 3P%, 66.7 FT% (13 GP / 30.9 MIN)

5) Skal Labissiere (PF-C / 6-10 1/2, 225 / Age 19 / Kentucky) - despite his struggles, he still has a lot of potential. the NCAA game isnt suited for him (packing the paint) and kentucky isnt using him wisely (down in the pain)
9.2 PTS, 3.5 REB, 0.4 AST, 0.3 STL, 1.8 BLK, 52.4 FG%, 0.0 3P%, 73.8 FT% (13 GP / 20.1 MIN)

6) Jamal Murray (PG-SG / 6-3, 207 / Age 18 / Kentucky) - a lil streaky outside shooting but i like his playmaking ability at PG
16.8 PTS, 4.6 REB, 2.8 AST, 1.0 STL, 0.2 BLK, 40.3 FG%, 38.2 3P%, 74.5 FT% (13 GP / 33.5 MIN)

7) Jaylen Brown (SF-SG / 6-5 1/2, 222 / Age 19 / California)- most athletic player in the draft. can fly and defend. cant dribble or shoot consistently
14.6 PTS, 5.9 REB, 1.5 AST, 0.5 STL, 0.4 BLK, 45.7 FG%, 26.8 3P%, 65.9 FT% (14 GP / 26.1 MIN)

8) Domantas Sabonis (PF / 6-9, 238 / Age 19 / Gonzaga) - great energy on off and defense. limited upside though
18.3 PTS, 10.6 REB, 1.4 AST, 0.7 STL, 0.7 BLK, 65.9 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 82.6 FT% (15 GP / 30.2 MIN)

9) Jakob Poeltl (C / 7-0, 242 / Age 20 / Utah) - nice low post player
17.6 PTS, 9.2 REB, 1.9 AST, 0.5 STL, 2.1 BLK, 71.4 FG%, 0.0 3P%, 64.8 FT% (14 GP / 27.2 MIN)

10) Henry Ellenson (PF / 6-9 1/2, 228 / Age 18 / Marquette) - will ultimately be a stretch 4. still slow footed though
16.2 PTS, 9.9 REB, 2.4 AST, 0.7 STL, 1.3 BLK, 41.9 FG%, 26.1 3P%, 75.3 FT% (14 GP / 31.6 MIN)

Honorable Mention:

- Buddy Hield
- Denzel Valentine
- Kay Felder
- Demetrius Jackson

Update
#1 Ben Simmons F
#2 Branden Ingram F G
#3 Domantas Sabonis F
#4 Kris Dunn PG
#5 Grayson Allen G
#6 A J Hammonds C
#7 Buddy Hield SG
#8 Melo Trimble PG
#9 Kahlil Felder PG
#10Brice Johnson PF
11 Jamall Murray PG/G
12 Jakob Poetl C
13 Denzel Valentine SG
14 Wayne Selden Jr. SG
15 Diamond Stone C

buddy hield putting on a show at kansas

Kentucky vs LSU thoughts...

- didnt get to see much of simmons because he was in foul trouble in the 1st half
- 2nd half they had a healthy lead and didnt need to use him. he doesnt force anything
- murray looks bouncy and shifty as a 2G
- kentucky cant shoot and they cant defend
- LSU can shoot and defend - i dont know where this has been most of the yr
- skal is NOT ready. he simply isnt strong enough

Saw a little of Simmons playing. Want to see more, because I don't see the Lebron comparisons, or being the next big thing. If he has a big upside, it would be Grant Hill IMO.

hes super fast, strong, great handle and vision...but dude really cant shoot and hes smart enough not to even try

GustavBahler wrote:Saw a little of Simmons playing. Want to see more, because I don't see the Lebron comparisons, or being the next big thing. If he has a big upside, it would be Grant Hill IMO.

Prime Grant Hill was awesome. He was like the SF version of D.Wade, a wing w/o the 3 ball. In his second year he basically avg a double double(9.8 rebs) plus 6.9 ast.

I still remember my Grant Hill's Fila shoes You couldn't tell me nothin when I wore those.

Grant Hill is a great comparison, I may have said it before but I see a better passing Giannis, so basically Grant Hill in Giannis body. The good thing is that he will probably have more coaches telling him to shoot the 3ball, I doubt Doug Collins did it in Detroit. Everyone can not imrpove as a shooter but Lebron came into the league with zero jump shot. Giannis also doesn't shoot the ball but he causes havok on offense. If Simmons can do what Giannis does but get to the line above 7 times he will be elite without the 3.

ben simmons has an even worse jumper than giannis. folks picture deandre jordan shooting a jumper. he CANT SHOOT. to compare him to grant hill is insulting...lol

yellowboy90 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Saw a little of Simmons playing. Want to see more, because I don't see the Lebron comparisons, or being the next big thing. If he has a big upside, it would be Grant Hill IMO.

Prime Grant Hill was awesome. He was like the SF version of D.Wade, a wing w/o the 3 ball. In his second year he basically avg a double double(9.8 rebs) plus 6.9 ast.

I still remember my Grant Hill's Fila shoes You couldn't tell me nothin when I wore those.

Grant Hill is a great comparison, I may have said it before but I see a better passing Giannis, so basically Grant Hill in Giannis body. The good thing is that he will probably have more coaches telling him to shoot the 3ball, I doubt Doug Collins did it in Detroit. Everyone can not imrpove as a shooter but Lebron came into the league with zero jump shot. Giannis also doesn't shoot the ball but he causes havok on offense. If Simmons can do what Giannis does but get to the line above 7 times he will be elite without the 3.

LMAO had those too! Im serious. It was the first pair I bought after I moved from NYC to FLA. Usually bought black Nikes, but I thought these white Filas were pretty sweet. Replaced my Nike Air Max Strong (Alonzo Mourning) I bought before I moved. Lasted more than 2 years of heavy use. Those were my all time favorite, next to my Puma Clydes when I was a kid.

callmened wrote:ben simmons has an even worse jumper than giannis. folks picture deandre jordan shooting a jumper. he CANT SHOOT. to compare him to grant hill is insulting...lol

Grant Hill could do a lot more than just shoot. We were talking about "big upside", ways to go.

GustavBahler wrote:

callmened wrote:ben simmons has an even worse jumper than giannis. folks picture deandre jordan shooting a jumper. he CANT SHOOT. to compare him to grant hill is insulting...lol

Grant Hill could do a lot more than just shoot. We were talking about "big upside", ways to go.

no i get it. he has a huge upside...i wont deny that

Sad...but Im almost completely ignorant, and also uncaring, of the prospects for the next draft. Not having a pick, even in the 2nd round, is an interest-killer for me.

I'll probably check things out around draft time, just out of curiosity and because Phil might buy a late #1 or a #2 , but I just don't see any payoff in doing the kind of research I did last year when I pretty much knew we'd be getting a top 5 pick.

I don't follow college ball much until the tournament. I look at DraftExpress every now and then, but the only player I've actually "seen" is Ben Gordon in some highlights.

Damn you, Bargnani trade...Damn you.

Just turned on the LSU 's UF game. I get to see two Montverde Academy products, Simmons and Kasey Hill(UF). Hill was the number 1 of a few years ago but he's not put it together.

I found a SG from St Jospehs while looking at someone else who I think would fit the Knicks--not on draft sites

Isiaih Miles 6-7 SG St St Josephs

BRIGGS wrote:Update
#1 Ben Simmons F
#2 Branden Ingram F G
#3 Buddy Hield SG
#4 Kris Dunn PG
#5 Domatas Sabonis PF
#6 Grayson Allen G
#7 A J Hammonds C
#8 Melo Trimble PG
#9 Kahlil Felder PG
#10Brice Johnson PF
11 Jamall Murray PG/G
12 Jakob Poetl C
13 Ivan Rabb F
14 Denzel Valentine SG
15 Diamond Stone C

Love Trimbles defense