meloanyk wrote:Think we need to relax and enjoy before comparing to HOFers. KP game is closer to a young Raef LaFrentz than Ewing right now
LaFrentz is a decent comparison. Raef measured in at 6'11 240, so he was a few inches shorter than KP.
also, LaFrentz was 22 as a rookie. averaged 14 points (45% FG, 39% 3) 8 rebounds 1.4 blocks.
it is hard to make these comparisons when you realize KP should be a sophomore in college. given the improvement we have seen just in 20 games, 2 years from now when he is 22 (when LaFrentz, Ewing, etc were rookies) i'd imagine he's going to be a vastly different (and much better) player.
it will be fun to enjoy the ride.
BigSm00th wrote:meloanyk wrote:Think we need to relax and enjoy before comparing to HOFers. KP game is closer to a young Raef LaFrentz than Ewing right now
LaFrentz is a decent comparison. Raef measured in at 6'11 240, so he was a few inches shorter than KP.
also, LaFrentz was 22 as a rookie. averaged 14 points (45% FG, 39% 3) 8 rebounds 1.4 blocks.
it is hard to make these comparisons when you realize KP should be a sophomore in college. given the improvement we have seen just in 20 games, 2 years from now when he is 22 (when LaFrentz, Ewing, etc were rookies) i'd imagine he's going to be a vastly different (and much better) player.
it will be fun to enjoy the ride.
We gonna really just compare KP to all the white guys?
The question is more about two knicks.
Whats next?
KP vs Alvin Adams? Jack Sikma? Rik Smits? Dan Issel?
Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
In a slow ball era the ball went thru Ewing. It was rumored he would not start fast breaks as it would reduce his touches. He got Nelson fired as he wanted to go uptempo. KP is not the focal point of the offense at this point. His court positioning is different. So how can you even begin to think along those lines unless you mean "Fundamentals vs Athletic"?
blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
yes. a very good non disgusting black hole.
you have a problem with me finding Kobe's play disgusting?
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
it was also a different era- kp would have already been to a hospital the way they played. less fluid & I think the biggest criticism I have of Ewing was his hands/passing wasn't the best.
franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
it was also a different era- kp would have already been to a hospital the way they played. less fluid & I think the biggest criticism I have of Ewing was his hands/passing wasn't the best.
yes. I loved ewing and he was a warrior with a huge heart and hunger to win. I just had a big problem with his (lack of) passing.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
yes. a very good non disgusting black hole.
you have a problem with me finding Kobe's play disgusting?
this year his play is just that. Prior years yes... its a stupid choice of words.
I would love to buy your disgusting black hole of a face a beer. I mean.. its a good face, a really good face.. your a handsome guy. Just in a blackhole disgusting kind of way. 
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
yes. a very good non disgusting black hole.
you have a problem with me finding Kobe's play disgusting?
this year his play is just that. Prior years yes... its a stupid choice of words.I would love to buy your disgusting black hole of a face a beer. I mean.. its a good face, a really good face.. your a handsome guy. Just in a blackhole disgusting kind of way.
lets do it! As long as you leave mad fishmike at home 
and btw, there is nothing that I find more disgusting in sports than selfish play and especially very selfish. I find it disgusting ... sorry thats how I feel. I played PG for years and there is nothing I hate more than selfish play especially when its intentional.
mreinman wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
it was also a different era- kp would have already been to a hospital the way they played. less fluid & I think the biggest criticism I have of Ewing was his hands/passing wasn't the best.
yes. I loved ewing and he was a warrior with a huge heart and hunger to win. I just had a big problem with his (lack of) passing.
different players bring different things and have different skill sets. Thats what makes the sport and team building so interesting. The same traits that made Ewing the great warrior we all remember are the same ones that contributed to the holes or lacks in his game. You do understand this right? Im not trying to ride you, but when you knock these guys like Ewing and Kobe with words like black hole and disgusting I feel like you are missing something. Some guys can make mental adjusts in their approach, but not all can. Sometimes it takes a great facilitator to accomplish that, or a very strong personality. Look at Jordan's numbers before and after Phil Jackson. Not many people would have been able to coax those changes out of that player, but Phil did.
Its not as simple as a choice. I read your posts and I get the impression you feel guys like Ewing and Kobe didnt pass more because they just couldnt be bothered. You dont really beleive that do you?
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
it was also a different era- kp would have already been to a hospital the way they played. less fluid & I think the biggest criticism I have of Ewing was his hands/passing wasn't the best.
yes. I loved ewing and he was a warrior with a huge heart and hunger to win. I just had a big problem with his (lack of) passing.
different players bring different things and have different skill sets. Thats what makes the sport and team building so interesting. The same traits that made Ewing the great warrior we all remember are the same ones that contributed to the holes or lacks in his game. You do understand this right? Im not trying to ride you, but when you knock these guys like Ewing and Kobe with words like black hole and disgusting I feel like you are missing something. Some guys can make mental adjusts in their approach, but not all can. Sometimes it takes a great facilitator to accomplish that, or a very strong personality. Look at Jordan's numbers before and after Phil Jackson. Not many people would have been able to coax those changes out of that player, but Phil did.Its not as simple as a choice. I read your posts and I get the impression you feel guys like Ewing and Kobe didnt pass more because they just couldnt be bothered. You dont really beleive that do you?
love the way you ask these so condescendingly like when you asked if I watched Draymond Green .... eeeeeeesh.
yes. I get it all. Kobe does it on purpose because he is a narcissistic pig. Ewing was just a bit stupid. Melo just can't believe that there is another shot on the court better than his. The great Zach Lowe (my new hero) pointed this out and I gave him a standing ovation. I don't really think that Ewing is stupid, just trying to make you mad.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
yes. a very good non disgusting black hole.
you have a problem with me finding Kobe's play disgusting?
this year his play is just that. Prior years yes... its a stupid choice of words.I would love to buy your disgusting black hole of a face a beer. I mean.. its a good face, a really good face.. your a handsome guy. Just in a blackhole disgusting kind of way.
lets do it! As long as you leave mad fishmike at home
and btw, there is nothing that I find more disgusting in sports than selfish play and especially very selfish. I find it disgusting ... sorry thats how I feel. I played PG for years and there is nothing I hate more than selfish play especially when its intentional.
trust me... mad fishmike has never shown his ugly head around these parts!
If you played PG THEN YOU KNOW there are guys who just dont have it in their makeup to play that role. Sometimes its selfish, or a habit that started as selfish or a personality thing. Sometimes it can be helped a little, a lot or not at all. Even when its not at all it doesnt mean that player cant be good and help you win games, and the mental part that gets you there is really the key.
Some of these guys are so individually driven and pushed to get where they are they just arent capable of easing off that throttle. Its part of the makup that got them there in the first place dig? Where's Marv and his ology of the psych 
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
it was also a different era- kp would have already been to a hospital the way they played. less fluid & I think the biggest criticism I have of Ewing was his hands/passing wasn't the best.
yes. I loved ewing and he was a warrior with a huge heart and hunger to win. I just had a big problem with his (lack of) passing.
different players bring different things and have different skill sets. Thats what makes the sport and team building so interesting. The same traits that made Ewing the great warrior we all remember are the same ones that contributed to the holes or lacks in his game. You do understand this right? Im not trying to ride you, but when you knock these guys like Ewing and Kobe with words like black hole and disgusting I feel like you are missing something. Some guys can make mental adjusts in their approach, but not all can. Sometimes it takes a great facilitator to accomplish that, or a very strong personality. Look at Jordan's numbers before and after Phil Jackson. Not many people would have been able to coax those changes out of that player, but Phil did.Its not as simple as a choice. I read your posts and I get the impression you feel guys like Ewing and Kobe didnt pass more because they just couldnt be bothered. You dont really beleive that do you?
love the way you ask these so condescendingly like when you asked if I watched Draymond Green .... eeeeeeesh.
yes. I get it all. Kobe does it on purpose because he is a narcissistic pig. Ewing was just a bit stupid. Melo just can't believe that there is another shot on the court better than his. The great Zach Lowe (my new hero) pointed this out and I gave him a standing ovation. I don't really think that Ewing is stupid, just trying to make you mad.
lol... Ewing was not the sharpest tool in the shed
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
yes. a very good non disgusting black hole.
you have a problem with me finding Kobe's play disgusting?
this year his play is just that. Prior years yes... its a stupid choice of words.I would love to buy your disgusting black hole of a face a beer. I mean.. its a good face, a really good face.. your a handsome guy. Just in a blackhole disgusting kind of way.
lets do it! As long as you leave mad fishmike at home
and btw, there is nothing that I find more disgusting in sports than selfish play and especially very selfish. I find it disgusting ... sorry thats how I feel. I played PG for years and there is nothing I hate more than selfish play especially when its intentional.
trust me... mad fishmike has never shown his ugly head around these parts!If you played PG THEN YOU KNOW there are guys who just dont have it in their makeup to play that role. Sometimes its selfish, or a habit that started as selfish or a personality thing. Sometimes it can be helped a little, a lot or not at all. Even when its not at all it doesnt mean that player cant be good and help you win games, and the mental part that gets you there is really the key.
Some of these guys are so individually driven and pushed to get where they are they just arent capable of easing off that throttle. Its part of the makup that got them there in the first place dig? Where's Marv and his ology of the psych
fair enough.
Can't blame Nick Young either then. Maybe its a mental deficiency and therefore not disgusting and we should just pray for him ... lol
Mreinmen, I get your points and don't disagree, but its the concentration of it. Seems like you indict his entire career.
Ewing came out with a college degree and in short time established his NBA game to include an offensive skill set not seen in College. The era of big big men it was common and effective to get the ball and pound it down.
Ewing in his prime was worthy of the superstar status and top 50 status. After the best runs in the absence of Jordan, in 1996 the knicks hired Don Nelson at the time ewing was starting to slow down. This did not happen over nite but he was creaky, cranky and a potential free agent. Knicks were a cash cow to MSG and while Don Nelson never won a chip, he has won a ton of games and who knows if allowed could the knicks in that era produced a champ. Ewing was seen as the culprit of the mutiny and the threat of leaving was real. Knicks bowed and thus Ewing was empowered with JVG as the coach. Still good years followed but Ewing was less willing do what Wilt did and be a defensive and rebounding presence while his offense declined. We saw in 1999 what speed ball could have been. If nelson was kept and ewing traded who knows what other moves could have happened.
How it ended was not ewings full career. I saw the whole era. Ewing like most stars thought they were best to handle the ball. There was truth to that but no championship banner to back I up.
KP plays in a different era, has a different skill set and I can't see even as rookies we can begin to parallel.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:blkexec wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.
Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
I would absolutely agree with that.
how so?
KP's Bball IQ is already through the moon while Ewings was always questionable at best.
Wow.....really? Be aware of some back lash for that statement! You know when somebody has high IQ, when they can't use their knees anymore, and still play at an All Star level......Ewing lost his knees early into his extremely long NBA career. His skill set was limited, not his IQ. KP has more tools in his skill set, and he doesn't even have facial hair yet.
don't care about backlash. Ewing was a freak of nature in many ways. He was also a black hole which was ugly. Was this an IQ issue or just selfish and a bit of narcissism?
KP seems to see the floor like a guard. He still has a lot to learn about the feel but he will catch on really fast.
black hole who carried his team to 10 straight years of making it to at least the 2nd round. 10 straight years. Want to call him disgusting as well?
yes. a very good non disgusting black hole.
you have a problem with me finding Kobe's play disgusting?
this year his play is just that. Prior years yes... its a stupid choice of words.I would love to buy your disgusting black hole of a face a beer. I mean.. its a good face, a really good face.. your a handsome guy. Just in a blackhole disgusting kind of way.
lets do it! As long as you leave mad fishmike at home
and btw, there is nothing that I find more disgusting in sports than selfish play and especially very selfish. I find it disgusting ... sorry thats how I feel. I played PG for years and there is nothing I hate more than selfish play especially when its intentional.
trust me... mad fishmike has never shown his ugly head around these parts!If you played PG THEN YOU KNOW there are guys who just dont have it in their makeup to play that role. Sometimes its selfish, or a habit that started as selfish or a personality thing. Sometimes it can be helped a little, a lot or not at all. Even when its not at all it doesnt mean that player cant be good and help you win games, and the mental part that gets you there is really the key.
Some of these guys are so individually driven and pushed to get where they are they just arent capable of easing off that throttle. Its part of the makup that got them there in the first place dig? Where's Marv and his ology of the psych
fair enough.
Can't blame Nick Young either then. Maybe its a mental deficiency and therefore not disgusting and we should just pray for him ... lol
its just part of the whole picture. You cant cherry pick the parts you like and crap on the ones you dont. Thats really my point to this. Kobe (who IS a disgusting person) was a great player. A lot of chucking sure (he *did* average 5 assists for his career which is pretty freakin good) but my point is the part of his brain that drove him to be one of the best (if not THE best) wing defenders in the game for a decade is the same brain that hogs the ball and takes 30 shots a game when guys are waiving for a pass cause they are open.
I hear you, I do... its fair criticism, but not always correctable. Like killing Jose for being a bad defender. He tries... watch him he does, but its just not in the toolkit. Just because something is mental doesnt mean its an easy fix or adjustment.
Nalod wrote:Mreinmen, I get your points and don't disagree, but its the concentration of it. Seems like you indict his entire career.Ewing came out with a college degree and in short time established his NBA game to include an offensive skill set not seen in College. The era of big big men it was common and effective to get the ball and pound it down.
Ewing in his prime was worthy of the superstar status and top 50 status. After the best runs in the absence of Jordan, in 1996 the knicks hired Don Nelson at the time ewing was starting to slow down. This did not happen over nite but he was creaky, cranky and a potential free agent. Knicks were a cash cow to MSG and while Don Nelson never won a chip, he has won a ton of games and who knows if allowed could the knicks in that era produced a champ. Ewing was seen as the culprit of the mutiny and the threat of leaving was real. Knicks bowed and thus Ewing was empowered with JVG as the coach. Still good years followed but Ewing was less willing do what Wilt did and be a defensive and rebounding presence while his offense declined. We saw in 1999 what speed ball could have been. If nelson was kept and ewing traded who knows what other moves could have happened.
How it ended was not ewings full career. I saw the whole era. Ewing like most stars thought they were best to handle the ball. There was truth to that but no championship banner to back I up.
KP plays in a different era, has a different skill set and I can't see even as rookies we can begin to parallel.
era definitely plays into it. Players are taught today that selfish is just not ok.
KP's bball iq and off the court iq seems to be very very rare. That is not an indictment of ewing. Ewing also played in an era with Shaq and Hakeem who were much smarter than him. Again, not his fault.
The refusal to pass is still on him no matter how great of a player he was. He just could have been much greater IMHO.
