Knicks · How about new line up (page 1)

C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

This team is designed around what Melo brings. Unfortunately if he does what he suppose to the Knicks are in a better place than they are. He is the biggest reason for the Knicks losses. We can put it on Fisher for being a so so coach as his substitutions are not good. But if Melo is doing what he is suppose to the have a much better record. Just so you guys know Melo is shooting below 40% now. He isn't showing any signs of getting better either he is getting worse. If he doesn't get back to his normal averages I can't see things getting better.

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

Is there any reason to start a new roster lineup thread, after a new roster lineup thread was already created 8 hrs before yours? Just asking!

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

LOL --- you want to bench our major free agent signing after 20+ games?

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

Is there any reason to start a new roster lineup thread, after a new roster lineup thread was already created 8 hrs before yours? Just asking!

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

To increase ones readership its better to create a new thread. I like briggs and long thought he should have his own thread for reasons that I believe too many threads dilute content. Its why I started an "other things NBA thead" and it seems to work. Its why we have one game thread per game. It works. It allows posters to start them and express an idea or a graphic.

But like most things good let market demand have at it and no harm is Briggs posting, as there is no harm in calling out emotional posting or redundant posts.
Naturally when FIREWOODSON got giddy with himself it need be monitored.

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

Is there any reason to start a new roster lineup thread, after a new roster lineup thread was already created 8 hrs before yours? Just asking!

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

To increase ones readership its better to create a new thread. I like briggs and long thought he should have his own thread for reasons that I believe too many threads dilute content. Its why I started an "other things NBA thead" and it seems to work. Its why we have one game thread per game. It works. It allows posters to start them and express an idea or a graphic.

But like most things good let market demand have at it and no harm is Briggs posting, as there is no harm in calling out emotional posting or redundant posts.
Naturally when FIREWOODSON got giddy with himself it need be monitored.

Yes thanks Nalod. One feature we don't have in these forums is a merge thread and that would help us all out, but no worries for the most part on any account.

helloharv wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

LOL --- you want to bench our major free agent signing after 20+ games?

Yeah I think he needs some time off to see what it looks like to play hard and grab some rebounds.

Frank Williams is back??? LOL!

Galloway over Sasha?

I might be inclined to also limit KP's minutes as he is uneven. Maybe with a back to back that was the thinking last nite as he was not playing well.

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

I am assuming you disagree???

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

I assuming you disagree???

LOL

Yes of course. If you and briggs agree you can be almost certain that its probably wrong

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

I assuming you disagree???

LOL

Yes of course. If you and briggs agree you can be almost certain that its probably wrong

BRIGGS and I are not analytics guys like you; we judge the game by what transpires on the floor.

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

I assuming you disagree???

LOL

Yes of course. If you and briggs agree you can be almost certain that its probably wrong

BRIGGS and I are not analytics guys like you; we judge the game by what transpires on the floor.

I see. But I judge the floor as well. Can leave your pants at home and just where socks.

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

I assuming you disagree???

LOL

Yes of course. If you and briggs agree you can be almost certain that its probably wrong

BRIGGS and I are not analytics guys like you; we judge the game by what transpires on the floor.

I see. But I judge the floor as well. Can leave your pants at home and just where socks.

To be fair, some of you only judge reported/recorded numbers. You guys never really see the effect of players like Admunson who do the little things that are not recorded. Things like set a screen; which in my opinion is vital to help a team: make shots, rebound, and defend. Energy; which is often contagious.

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

I assuming you disagree???

LOL

Yes of course. If you and briggs agree you can be almost certain that its probably wrong

BRIGGS and I are not analytics guys like you; we judge the game by what transpires on the floor.

I see. But I judge the floor as well. Can leave your pants at home and just where socks.

To be fair, some of you only judge reported/recorded numbers. You guys never really see the effect of players like Admunson who do the little things that are not recorded. Things like set a screen; which in my opinion is vital to help a team: make shots, rebound, and defend. Energy; which is often contagious.

really? Like who does not see that? I watch every play.

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I agree with the starting 5. In fact, I was the first to identify it as our strongest starting lineup. But your second unit can't include Sasha. Galloway deserves the SG spot, whether he is struggling or not. Further, as bad as Lopez been, he needs to be the anchor for that unit, not Lou.

Seraphin,Lou, and Sasha don't need to be in the rotation for now.

what a ringing endorsement.

I assuming you disagree???

LOL

Yes of course. If you and briggs agree you can be almost certain that its probably wrong

BRIGGS and I are not analytics guys like you; we judge the game by what transpires on the floor.

I see. But I judge the floor as well. Can leave your pants at home and just where socks.

To be fair, some of you only judge reported/recorded numbers. You guys never really see the effect of players like Admunson who do the little things that are not recorded. Things like set a screen; which in my opinion is vital to help a team: make shots, rebound, and defend. Energy; which is often contagious.

really? Like who does not see that? I watch every play.

So why is it that you often criticize me for pointing out the coach's inability to see the obvious???? What we are seing from this team is a repeat of what we saw last year. Even our defensive strategy (Fisher's switching strategy)

You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

You know what, I am finally there. Watching that first play after halftime, on the half-assed psuedo switch with Rolo that was completely unnecessary - and this was only 1 example of many many bad defensive plays that Melo is apart of over the course of game - you can tell that either Melo don't got the legs or he don't got the effort necessary to play.

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

You know what, I am finally there. Watching that first play after halftime, on the half-assed psuedo switch with Rolo that was completely unnecessary - and this was only 1 example of many many bad defensive plays that Melo is apart of over the course of game - you can tell that either Melo don't got the legs or he don't got the effort necessary to play.

Theres a reason why Melo won the scoring title, playing PF.....Melo will always say it doesn't matter what position he plays. Just like I will always think my crossover is lightning fast. But thats the competitor in us older guys. Fisher doesn't have that history with the knicks and thinks Melo came in as a SF so he can play SF.....Thats true.....But right now, we need a motivated aggressive offensive minded Melo and thats as a PF.....He takes it personal whenever a bigger and slower guy is on him. He has too many moves for any PF in the league. The problem is KP at center may not be the best partner for Melo at PF, during long stretches. But PF is clearly Melo's best position until he retires. The issue is Phil built the team around multiple PF's, so that spot is already crowded. I feel for you Fish.....Not a good situation to start your coaching career.....Meanwhile, the water boy for GS can coach that team to a championship, while drinking Mai Tai's on a nude beach!

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

I thought that this was mentioned ad nauseum? The issue now is that if you play him at the 4 which is clearly where he needs to play is that you would have to play KP at center which some of us don't think that he is ready for (maybe next year + 10 lbs), or you would have to bring KP off the bench (not gonna happen much to the detriment of Melo).

The other option is to bring Melo off the bench just that he can play the 4. Not gonna happen either.

Melo and KP do play well together when they go small ball with LT so maybe at times, this is the best lineup and allows for Melo to not be guarded by quick 3's. The issue with that is the LT can be guarded by anyone and the defense can still put the 3 on Melo.

Not an easy formula and not the best pieces to work with.