Knicks · Knicks’ furious rally dashed by Carmelo’s game-ending brick (page 6)

Knixkik @ 12/11/2015 7:40 PM
dk7th wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:
crzymdups wrote:NBA ref report - says refs officially should've called a foul on Rondo on last shot.

of course they "should have."

but... rule #1 of end-of-game scenarios: NEVER make the refs have to make a call. it was a STUPID DECISION.

This is the NBA.....not city league or little league. NBA has different rules. In the NBA, you play for the foul.....Melo is 1 of many...if not all NBA players that do this! Stick your arm out there, and the shot is going up.....regardless if someone is open or not. Thats what shooters do. They learn how to use the rules in their favor.

his arm was grabbed BEFORE he went into his shooting motion and his shot attempt was pretty much free and clear, AND his vision was not impaired. his entire focus is on the basket because he never intended to pass the ball no matter what. do you not see anything wrong with this approach???

it's the NBA, thats a shooting foul. The NBA acknowledged he should have gone to the line for 3 free throws. There is no arguing that.

no arguing that? are you nuts? since when does a "foul prior to his upward shooting motion" result in a shooting foul? it's a two-shot foul. that it was not called has NOTHING to do with the fact that at the top of melo's shooting motion kp6 is at the basket with two seconds on the clock.

If you watch nba basketball, it is common sense that it was a three point shooting foul if the call was made. A ref will never call it on the floor. This isn't college ball man.

WaltLongmire @ 12/11/2015 8:04 PM
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

CrushAlot @ 12/11/2015 8:44 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
StarksEwing1 @ 12/11/2015 8:48 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
WaltLongmire @ 12/11/2015 9:00 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.

I only care about the objectivity. Of course I agree with him on this particular Tweet, but I have no idea how the final play was drawn up by Fisher.

Anthony would have had many options to pass off if the play was designed for him to draw people in as a decoy and then dish.

His countdown plays have not gone well this year, and he is physically limited at this point.

Very frustrating...the odds of anything good coming from his decision at the end of the game were not too good. I would not have been critical of him if he had made a bad pass at the end of the game.

CrushAlot @ 12/11/2015 9:01 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
You have to admit putting out there that Melo was getting 62 mil up front was a pretty big mistake and did make Melo look bad. I can't imagine anyone on this forum being that misinformed about the nba cba.
StarksEwing1 @ 12/11/2015 9:05 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
You have to admit putting out there that Melo was getting 62 mil up front was a pretty big mistake and did make Melo look bad. I can't imagine anyone on this forum being that misinformed about the nba cba.
i gotta be honest i could care less about melos feelings, i care about the knicks. I want this team to win so bad. My issue with melo has always been the inconsistency of teamball. Some games he does a great job moving the ball and even trying hard on defense. Other games he gets frustrated easily and gets away from the team concept
CrushAlot @ 12/11/2015 9:22 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
You have to admit putting out there that Melo was getting 62 mil up front was a pretty big mistake and did make Melo look bad. I can't imagine anyone on this forum being that misinformed about the nba cba.
i gotta be honest i could care less about melos feelings, i care about the knicks. I want this team to win so bad. My issue with melo has always been the inconsistency of teamball. Some games he does a great job moving the ball and even trying hard on defense. Other games he gets frustrated easily and gets away from the team concept
I was talking about Herring. From listening to him and reading his stuff I don't think he cares for Melo. I know you don't like Melo.
WaltLongmire @ 12/11/2015 9:22 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
You have to admit putting out there that Melo was getting 62 mil up front was a pretty big mistake and did make Melo look bad. I can't imagine anyone on this forum being that misinformed about the nba cba.

More likely he got some bad info, but in his rush to come out with a scoop he made a mistake.

I don't recall the story, but why would Herring lie??

I've gone through this with folks before...someone like Herring is not going to put out incorrect information if he knows it's incorrect-these guys make a living on trust and credibility...unlike NBA players.

CrushAlot @ 12/11/2015 9:24 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
You have to admit putting out there that Melo was getting 62 mil up front was a pretty big mistake and did make Melo look bad. I can't imagine anyone on this forum being that misinformed about the nba cba.

More likely he got some bad info, but in his rush to come out with a scoop he made a mistake.

I don't recall the story, but why would Herring lie??

I've gone through this with folks before...someone like Herring is not going to put out incorrect information if he knows it's incorrect-these guys make a living on trust and credibility...unlike NBA players.

I think you are right and the media ran with it. The Post, realgm etc.
StarksEwing1 @ 12/11/2015 9:52 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
You have to admit putting out there that Melo was getting 62 mil up front was a pretty big mistake and did make Melo look bad. I can't imagine anyone on this forum being that misinformed about the nba cba.
i gotta be honest i could care less about melos feelings, i care about the knicks. I want this team to win so bad. My issue with melo has always been the inconsistency of teamball. Some games he does a great job moving the ball and even trying hard on defense. Other games he gets frustrated easily and gets away from the team concept
I was talking about Herring. From listening to him and reading his stuff I don't think he cares for Melo. I know you don't like Melo.
no i dont dislike melo at all. In fact ive said that he seems like a good guy off the court. Parts of his do game frustrate me because i know he can be better when he wants to be
OldFan @ 12/11/2015 10:10 PM
Sitting in front of my computer, looking at an unobstructed view through a camera lens that captures a birds eye view of the floor and the shot clock, with no defenders obstructing my view or trying to take the ball away from me -

is maybe a little bit different than being on the floor, with an obstructed view, trying to keep the defenders away from the ball and keep track of how much time is left in the game.

I've never loved Melos game, but the criticism he receives on this board is way over done. If you look at game film - players miss open players all the time. It's a lot easier to spot them on film, than when you're actually playing the game.

WaltLongmire @ 12/11/2015 10:54 PM
OldFan wrote:Sitting in front of my computer, looking at an unobstructed view through a camera lens that captures a birds eye view of the floor and the shot clock, with no defenders obstructing my view or trying to take the ball away from me -

is maybe a little bit different than being on the floor, with an obstructed view, trying to keep the defenders away from the ball and keep track of how much time is left in the game.

I've never loved Melos game, but the criticism he receives on this board is way over done. If you look at game film - players miss open players all the time. It's a lot easier to spot them on film, than when you're actually playing the game.


I agree with you...but then again, these guys get a lot of money to see things we would not be able to see on the floor.

Mentioned this somewhere else- Hahn has some friends who work for other teams who told him that the basic thought process for defending against Anthony is that once he goes into in terminal move, he has tunnel vision, and that teams know they can double or triple team him.

For me the real issue is setting up a play where we use Anthony as more of a decoy and distributor. I understand that we have limited options with out roster, but you have to compensate for his diminished physical skills, and we already know that the refs are not going to give the guy a break on a foul call.

Once again, I would love to know if Melo had options on that play. I almost feel bad being critical in this instance, because he had made 3 or 4 good passes to guys to blew shots in the last 5 minutes of the game, but if Fisher called for the play we saw, without giving Anthony any options but to score...it was a bad idea.

gunsnewing @ 12/12/2015 12:21 AM
Sickening. The entire defense knew there was no way Melo was giving the ball up
Swishfm3 @ 12/12/2015 12:55 AM
OldFan wrote:Sitting in front of my computer, looking at an unobstructed view through a camera lens that captures a birds eye view of the floor and the shot clock, with no defenders obstructing my view or trying to take the ball away from me -

is maybe a little bit different than being on the floor, with an obstructed view, trying to keep the defenders away from the ball and keep track of how much time is left in the game.

I've never loved Melos game, but the criticism he receives on this board is way over done. If you look at game film - players miss open players all the time. It's a lot easier to spot them on film, than when you're actually playing the game.

Exactly!!

Any one who plays sports knows that the game looks totally different from the sidelines than it does on the field/court.

When I see threads like this, I question if folks here have ever played organized Basketball.

dk7th @ 12/12/2015 1:04 AM

again-- there is NO way you can explain this away.

wh4t @ 12/12/2015 4:14 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
wh4t wrote:the hate for melo man, smh.... fans are too critical and finicky.

I can tell you this- I had more hair when he came to the team in that trade than I have today.

If that isn't proof of something, then I don't know what is.

lol, so melo made you go bald? breh, the Knicks were bad for 10 years before he came.

wh4t @ 12/12/2015 4:24 AM
dk7th wrote:

again-- there is NO way you can explain this away.

yes there is. it's 2.1 seconds on the clock.

knickscity @ 12/12/2015 4:30 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
OldFan wrote:Sitting in front of my computer, looking at an unobstructed view through a camera lens that captures a birds eye view of the floor and the shot clock, with no defenders obstructing my view or trying to take the ball away from me -

is maybe a little bit different than being on the floor, with an obstructed view, trying to keep the defenders away from the ball and keep track of how much time is left in the game.

I've never loved Melos game, but the criticism he receives on this board is way over done. If you look at game film - players miss open players all the time. It's a lot easier to spot them on film, than when you're actually playing the game.

Exactly!!

Any one who plays sports knows that the game looks totally different from the sidelines than it does on the field/court.

When I see threads like this, I question if folks here have ever played organized Basketball.


Yes, the angles look different, thats common sense. Doesnt mean that melo cant see over his defender, certainly over Rondo.
knickscity @ 12/12/2015 4:31 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sounds like a shooting foul to me.

"Rondo grabs Anthony's arm prior to the start of his upward shooting motion"

Yeah there is no doubt that call is made 90% of the time and is called a shooting foul 100% of the time in the NBA. Unlucky for us and for Melo. Can't argue with his decision to shoot after drawing the contact.


Said this elsewhere...Big difference between creating a situation where you draw in defenders to look for a pass, and passing off because your shot is stymied in one way or another.

And then you can think about this...

...and Herring is a pretty straightforward guy with no hate for Anthony.

Not sure if the play was drawn up the way it went down...or if Anthony had passing options. Would be nice to find this out.

Not sure about Herring's feelings regarding Anthony. I am pretty sure Ned said they are friends and that Herring doesn't like the Knicks (I could be wrong). Also, Herring was the guy that put out the wrong story that Anthony was going to get 62 million up front on his contract. It created quite a stir. I wouldn't say that he speaks with a fondness about Anthony when I have heard him on podcasts. Objective? Maybe.
as long as its positive about the knicks its objective
You have to admit putting out there that Melo was getting 62 mil up front was a pretty big mistake and did make Melo look bad. I can't imagine anyone on this forum being that misinformed about the nba cba.
i gotta be honest i could care less about melos feelings, i care about the knicks. I want this team to win so bad. My issue with melo has always been the inconsistency of teamball. Some games he does a great job moving the ball and even trying hard on defense. Other games he gets frustrated easily and gets away from the team concept
I was talking about Herring. From listening to him and reading his stuff I don't think he cares for Melo. I know you don't like Melo.

Herring doesnt, he's from Chicago, but he is objective and presents a fair read when he does his articles.
Knixkik @ 12/12/2015 9:12 AM
wh4t wrote:
dk7th wrote:

again-- there is NO way you can explain this away.

yes there is. it's 2.1 seconds on the clock.


Stop making sense.
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