Knicks · Oquinn has really earned minutes (page 1)

He's really come back and played very well.I'm glad Fischer has come to his sense on him

BRIGGS wrote:He's really come back and played very well.I'm glad Fischer has come to his sense on him

Lets hope this win solidified his rotation. I see he went with gallo as jose replacement instead of Grant.....im ok with that. Just like KP.....rookies need to ride the bench and learn from the vets.

Increase their strength and iq while taking advantage of the nba workout plans and performance enhancement drugs.

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He's really come back and played very well.I'm glad Fischer has come to his sense on him

Lets hope this win solidified his rotation. I see he went with gallo as jose replacement instead of Grant.....im ok with that. Just like KP.....rookies need to ride the bench and learn from the vets.

Increase their strength and iq while taking advantage of the nba workout plans and performance enhancement drugs.

I think the team has potential IF we PLAY both Williams and Oquinn. At the first sign of any negative play Fis her has to allow them to play bigger minutes. We do need the changing of guards at the guards but the frontcourt of we stay paient and Play the guys were fine there

BRIGGS wrote:He's really come back and played very well.I'm glad Fischer has come to his sense on him

Missed when KOQ didn't earn his minutes. I mean, if we're going to let a few bad games or possessions lead to a benching, then Melo should have been riding the pine after some of his poor outings.

KOQ should probably be starting, with Kevin Seraphin the first big off the bench. But I guess that wouldn't look good for Fishers boss.

BRIGGS wrote:He's really come back and played very well.I'm glad Fischer has come to his sense on him

You think Fisher was some how ignorant on the subject?
Or has KOQ worked on his game or is now more comfortable in the scheme?

I mean the cat has a good game and THEN fish comes to his senses? Or Fish had the good sense to play him and then he came back and played well????

One might conclude the games where KOQ has played well we have done better and won a more proportionate amount.

My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

When your PG and center are so limited, you have no choice but to play the ten men rotation no less then 15 minutes. KO, Lance, and Williams bring so much intangible to the game, it is a crime not to have these dudes on the floor for decent minutes. Gallo and Grant are our future, so they too need minutes

BRIGGS wrote:He's really come back and played very well.I'm glad Fischer has come to his sense on him

I agree. Looks like a rotation player to me.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

I'm thinking that Martin is just reacting to a response from you which seemingly invents a hard and fast rule on rotations that might not have any basis in the reality that is the NBA.

I could be wrong, though.

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

I'm thinking that Martin is just reacting to a response from you which seemingly invents a hard and fast rule on rotations that might not have any basis in the reality that is the NBA.

I could be wrong, though.

Yup. Disagreeing with the original post does not mean I agree with Fisher's rotations.

Knicks haven't settled down yet and I expect it to take just about the whole season or more to do so. It's the absurd hard and fast minutes and # of rotation players that makes no sense.

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

I'm thinking that Martin is just reacting to a response from you which seemingly invents a hard and fast rule on rotations that might not have any basis in the reality that is the NBA.

I could be wrong, though.

Yup. Disagreeing with the original post does not mean I agree with Fisher's rotations.

Knicks haven't settled down yet and I expect it to take just about the whole season or more to do so. It's the absurd hard and fast minutes and # of rotation players that makes no sense.

I knew he would have a difficult time settling in on a rotation, that's to be expected with a healthy new squad.

If you only have token minutes from a player, what exactly are you taking back to the film room to break down and asses what you have, if it's only 4 or 5 possessions.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

I'm thinking that Martin is just reacting to a response from you which seemingly invents a hard and fast rule on rotations that might not have any basis in the reality that is the NBA.

I could be wrong, though.

Yup. Disagreeing with the original post does not mean I agree with Fisher's rotations.

Knicks haven't settled down yet and I expect it to take just about the whole season or more to do so. It's the absurd hard and fast minutes and # of rotation players that makes no sense.

I knew he would have a difficult time settling in on a rotation, that's to be expected with a healthy new squad.

If you only have token minutes from a player, what exactly are you taking back to the film room to break down and asses what you have, if it's only 4 or 5 possessions.

Token minutes are like toe testers to see if a player can perform and earn more. Or they are there cause you need to give regular guys a break cause of heavy minutes, 3 games in 4 nights or foul trouble. Or cause you are out of good options and why not.

I may be wrong but there were beetches that too many players were being used. Im glad that Oquinn is seeing time as he has contributed when given more than garbage mins in blowouts. I hope Seraphin isnt the one now who gets DNP's for little reason. I personally have no problem with Fischer not having set rotations night in night out and giving mins to all frontcourt players depending on matchups and play since they are all competent enuff to varying degrees

meloanyk wrote:I may be wrong but there were beetches that too many players were being used. Im glad that Oquinn is seeing time as he has contributed when given more than garbage mins in blowouts. I hope Seraphin isnt the one now who gets DNP's for little reason. I personally have no problem with Fischer not having set rotations night in night out and giving mins to all frontcourt players depending on matchups and play since they are all competent enuff to varying degrees

Oh my!!!

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

When your PG and center are so limited, you have no choice but to play the ten men rotation no less then 15 minutes. KO, Lance, and Williams bring so much intangible to the game, it is a crime not to have these dudes on the floor for decent minutes. Gallo and Grant are our future, so they too need minutes

All IMO's. Knicks group of guards is below average . The kids? Gallo's future is as a 4th-5th guard in NBA. I just dont see the overall skillset or one special talent that points to anything more. Think he's a FA this year, better be a low price. Im hazy on Grant. Has bloodlines and size and shows glimpses of being a Jackson pg but he's been dissapointing. Loose handle, older rook but not advanced. People will beetch about limited Sasha taking mins but he's simply buying Grant more time to get ready for his next opportunity. Preseason highlights mean little, hope kid develops. In frontcourt , no star quality beyond Melo and KP but just a bunch of decent players who are complementary and competent

meloanyk wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

When your PG and center are so limited, you have no choice but to play the ten men rotation no less then 15 minutes. KO, Lance, and Williams bring so much intangible to the game, it is a crime not to have these dudes on the floor for decent minutes. Gallo and Grant are our future, so they too need minutes

All IMO's. Knicks group of guards is below average . The kids? Gallo's future is as a 4th-5th guard in NBA. I just dont see the overall skillset or one special talent that points to anything more. Think he's a FA this year, better be a low price. Im hazy on Grant. Has bloodlines and size and shows glimpses of being a Jackson pg but he's been dissapointing. Loose handle, older rook but not advanced. People will beetch about limited Sasha taking mins but he's simply buying Grant more time to get ready for his next opportunity. Preseason highlights mean little, hope kid develops. In frontcourt , no star quality beyond Melo and KP but just a bunch of decent players who are complementary and competent

Gallo can be a decent player. Given his desire to learn the game, I expect him to be a much improved player next year. He defends well, but I believe he MUST learn how to play the point. If not, he will a player like Lou Williams

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

I'm thinking that Martin is just reacting to a response from you which seemingly invents a hard and fast rule on rotations that might not have any basis in the reality that is the NBA.

I could be wrong, though.

Yup. Disagreeing with the original post does not mean I agree with Fisher's rotations.

Knicks haven't settled down yet and I expect it to take just about the whole season or more to do so. It's the absurd hard and fast minutes and # of rotation players that makes no sense.

I knew he would have a difficult time settling in on a rotation, that's to be expected with a healthy new squad.

If you only have token minutes from a player, what exactly are you taking back to the film room to break down and asses what you have, if it's only 4 or 5 possessions.

Token minutes are like toe testers to see if a player can perform and earn more. Or they are there cause you need to give regular guys a break cause of heavy minutes, 3 games in 4 nights or foul trouble. Or cause you are out of good options and why not.

Token minutes also test to see if a player can do what a coach asks. If you know you are only going to get a 4-5 minute stretch that typically comes with an instruction (that Knick fans arent privvy to). So when Fisher send in KOQ for 5 minutes and says "keep a body on player X" and KOQ does that, and doesnt seem to have much impact that may earn him more, despite not showing much in the box score. Now if KOQ looks for his own shot, tries to do too much and loses his guy a couple times the effect is negative in the perception of the coaching staff, even if he's had what appears to be a solid run.

There is so much info we just dont have.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

I'm thinking that Martin is just reacting to a response from you which seemingly invents a hard and fast rule on rotations that might not have any basis in the reality that is the NBA.

I could be wrong, though.

Yup. Disagreeing with the original post does not mean I agree with Fisher's rotations.

Knicks haven't settled down yet and I expect it to take just about the whole season or more to do so. It's the absurd hard and fast minutes and # of rotation players that makes no sense.

I knew he would have a difficult time settling in on a rotation, that's to be expected with a healthy new squad.

If you only have token minutes from a player, what exactly are you taking back to the film room to break down and asses what you have, if it's only 4 or 5 possessions.

Token minutes are like toe testers to see if a player can perform and earn more. Or they are there cause you need to give regular guys a break cause of heavy minutes, 3 games in 4 nights or foul trouble. Or cause you are out of good options and why not.

Token minutes also test to see if a player can do what a coach asks. If you know you are only going to get a 4-5 minute stretch that typically comes with an instruction (that Knick fans arent privvy to). So when Fisher send in KOQ for 5 minutes and says "keep a body on player X" and KOQ does that, and doesnt seem to have much impact that may earn him more, despite not showing much in the box score. Now if KOQ looks for his own shot, tries to do too much and loses his guy a couple times the effect is negative in the perception of the coaching staff, even if he's had what appears to be a solid run.

There is so much info we just dont have.

Yes this.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:My problem with fisher's rotation is the token minutes. The tenth man should never see more than 10 minutes, 9 guys have to see 15 minutes or more, if yu cant do that, sit him for the game.

who came up with these absurd rules? You don't consider fouls, injuries, minutes, match-ups, rookies, team make-up and other incredibly obvious stuff?

Just about every NBA coach disagrees with you by quick perusal of boxscores.

Are you telling me that you agree with his rotation and the way he manages minutes, if so, you must be related to him.

Our situation is a lot different form other teams. More than half the roster is new, we really haven't establish a core.I don't think theres a team in the league that has a 100% bill of health like the knicks have right now.

We don't have specialist, like a lock down defender, or a 3 point sniper, or relentless rebounder, just about all of our players can guard at least 2 positions, and are avg shooters. If you can't find a decent match up with in your 10 man rotation(excluding foul trouble and injuries)then you have to look at the guy who put the roster together. The last 3 guys on the bench are suppose to be reserves, not part of the rotation.

I think phil did a solid job, and fisher is making phil look like he didn't. Fisher playing grant the other day for 3 minutes was a blow to his confidence for sure. During that 3 minutes, he touch the ball 3 times, grab a rebound and was back on the bench done for the night..What was the purpose

I'm thinking that Martin is just reacting to a response from you which seemingly invents a hard and fast rule on rotations that might not have any basis in the reality that is the NBA.

I could be wrong, though.

Yup. Disagreeing with the original post does not mean I agree with Fisher's rotations.

Knicks haven't settled down yet and I expect it to take just about the whole season or more to do so. It's the absurd hard and fast minutes and # of rotation players that makes no sense.

I knew he would have a difficult time settling in on a rotation, that's to be expected with a healthy new squad.

If you only have token minutes from a player, what exactly are you taking back to the film room to break down and asses what you have, if it's only 4 or 5 possessions.

Token minutes are like toe testers to see if a player can perform and earn more. Or they are there cause you need to give regular guys a break cause of heavy minutes, 3 games in 4 nights or foul trouble. Or cause you are out of good options and why not.

Token minutes also test to see if a player can do what a coach asks. If you know you are only going to get a 4-5 minute stretch that typically comes with an instruction (that Knick fans arent privvy to). So when Fisher send in KOQ for 5 minutes and says "keep a body on player X" and KOQ does that, and doesnt seem to have much impact that may earn him more, despite not showing much in the box score. Now if KOQ looks for his own shot, tries to do too much and loses his guy a couple times the effect is negative in the perception of the coaching staff, even if he's had what appears to be a solid run.

There is so much info we just dont have.

All about communicating and keeping players focused so they are ready when called upon. Not easy to get into rythmn when mins are short so best to have sense of purpose. No such thing as token minutes in my mind. Either critical stints however long in undecided games or chaotic garbage time which is a useless gauge for the most part