Knicks · Brandon Jennings on the Trading Block; possible Trade Target? (page 7)
crzymdups wrote:I wonder if Jennings and his agent are trying to get him to NY. This doesn't seem random. Also, for the first couple of years after the Knicks passed on him in the draft, Jennings had great games against the knicks.CrushAlot wrote:Sounds like he might be playing against the W-Knicks in a rehab assignment.Detroit Pistons point guard Brandon Jennings told reporters today that he is open to a rehab stint with NBA Development League affiliate Grand Rapids.
And as he nears a return to the NBA from the ruptured left Achilles that ended his 2014-15 season, Jennings is thinking about playing Saturday, when Grand Rapids plays host to the Westchester Knicks.
"There’s about an 80% chance I will be playing in the D-League on Saturday," he said at the Pistons practice facility after team preparations for tonight's game against the Boston Celtics (7:30 p.m., FSD). "I don’t care. I just want to play, man. I just want to get out there and hoop and see where it’s at.” [...]
As a veteran, Jennings would have to consent to the rehab stint. Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy has broached the topic the past few weeks.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...Interesting - he's also planning on making his season debut against the Knicks... maybe he's trying to angle his way to NY afterall?
Wed, Dec 16
Brandon Jennings (left Achilles) said that he's planning on making his season debut on December 29 vs. the Knicks.
CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:I wonder if Jennings and his agent are trying to get him to NY. This doesn't seem random. Also, for the first couple of years after the Knicks passed on him in the draft, Jennings had great games against the knicks.CrushAlot wrote:Sounds like he might be playing against the W-Knicks in a rehab assignment.Detroit Pistons point guard Brandon Jennings told reporters today that he is open to a rehab stint with NBA Development League affiliate Grand Rapids.
And as he nears a return to the NBA from the ruptured left Achilles that ended his 2014-15 season, Jennings is thinking about playing Saturday, when Grand Rapids plays host to the Westchester Knicks.
"There’s about an 80% chance I will be playing in the D-League on Saturday," he said at the Pistons practice facility after team preparations for tonight's game against the Boston Celtics (7:30 p.m., FSD). "I don’t care. I just want to play, man. I just want to get out there and hoop and see where it’s at.” [...]
As a veteran, Jennings would have to consent to the rehab stint. Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy has broached the topic the past few weeks.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...Interesting - he's also planning on making his season debut against the Knicks... maybe he's trying to angle his way to NY afterall?
Wed, Dec 16
Brandon Jennings (left Achilles) said that he's planning on making his season debut on December 29 vs. the Knicks.
He seems to always play great at MSG. He torched the Knicks more than once.
Still not interested. Don't need any more shoot first, think never type players. Doubtful PJax would be interested.
PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6
To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think that rondo would be good for us despite the attitude. Dude can't shoot a lick and he would at least have to knock down the mid range on a consistent basis.
blkexec wrote:You add Jennings if it's a steal. Otherwise, you pass....In fact, thats the case with all the available PGs on the trading block. I haven't seen anybody thats worlth trading Grant or Gallo for. Plus we have Jimmer simmering in the D league crock pot. There's not since of urgency on our end. We have the kind of GM I like, who doesn't believe in other teams getting over on him, as far as trades....
I was one of the biggest Jimmer fans when he came out of college and into the NBA but the kid just isn't made for the NBA. For some reason he just can't find his shot or his confidence every time he gets a chance to play in the NBA. I hope i'm wrong and we bring him up and he shoots the rock like he did in college but i just don't see it.
mreinman wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think that rondo would be good for us despite the attitude. Dude can't shoot a lick and he would at least have to knock down the mid range on a consistent basis.
Believe me i understand that he doesn't have a good shot but everything else he does from his defense to his getting to the basket to his great passing are thing you can win with from the PG spot.
newyorker4ever wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think that rondo would be good for us despite the attitude. Dude can't shoot a lick and he would at least have to knock down the mid range on a consistent basis.
Believe me i understand that he doesn't have a good shot but everything else he does from his defense to his getting to the basket to his great passing are thing you can win with from the PG spot.
I like the idea of this lineup - but Rondo is too problematic.
Also, realistically, we can probably only afford Nic Batum in that scenario. Rondo is looking for a big payday next summer. Also, we'll owe Galloway and Lance Thomas more money next season, too.
But adding Batum would allow for a ton of flexibility going forward.
Looking at the Grizzlies struggle though, I sort of wonder if Mike Conley might be on the table. I still think he's the perfect point guard for this team.
I do love the flexibility Batum would provide us - but realistically we can only grab one of those two, I think.
newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think it's an accurate comparison. We can obtain Jennings right now and still get Rondo next season, IF Jennings doesn't work out.
I'm not worried about his injury.....I'm all too famaliar with that. I worry more about his defense. But Jennings would be an offensive addition plus he will increase team assist. He will add much needed fire power to our starting unit, and possibly help us remove Jose's contract and give us more free agent room for next year. If they are willing to do a Jose and Jennings swap, it's a no brainer. If they want more, then thats a separate discussion.
But to respond to your post, why not have both? Jennings now....Rondo later!
blkexec wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think it's an accurate comparison. We can obtain Jennings right now and still get Rondo next season, IF Jennings doesn't work out.
I'm not worried about his injury.....I'm all too famaliar with that. I worry more about his defense. But Jennings would be an offensive addition plus he will increase team assist. He will add much needed fire power to our starting unit, and possibly help us remove Jose's contract and give us more free agent room for next year. If they are willing to do a Jose and Jennings swap, it's a no brainer. If they want more, then thats a separate discussion.
But to respond to your post, why not have both? Jennings now....Rondo later!
Why is Detroit doing Jennings for Calderon?
bigbasketballs wrote:blkexec wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think it's an accurate comparison. We can obtain Jennings right now and still get Rondo next season, IF Jennings doesn't work out.
I'm not worried about his injury.....I'm all too famaliar with that. I worry more about his defense. But Jennings would be an offensive addition plus he will increase team assist. He will add much needed fire power to our starting unit, and possibly help us remove Jose's contract and give us more free agent room for next year. If they are willing to do a Jose and Jennings swap, it's a no brainer. If they want more, then thats a separate discussion.
But to respond to your post, why not have both? Jennings now....Rondo later!
Why is Detroit doing Jennings for Calderon?
So they can add a year of guaranteed salary, of course!
Jennings actually fits what Detroit does very well. They could sometimes run two PG lineup with Jackson and Jennings. Though Caldwell-Pope is playing really well and is a huge part of what they do. They don't have a ton of depth at the guards though. If Jennings could be persuaded to be the third guard, Detroit could be super dangerous.
bigbasketballs wrote:blkexec wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think it's an accurate comparison. We can obtain Jennings right now and still get Rondo next season, IF Jennings doesn't work out.
I'm not worried about his injury.....I'm all too famaliar with that. I worry more about his defense. But Jennings would be an offensive addition plus he will increase team assist. He will add much needed fire power to our starting unit, and possibly help us remove Jose's contract and give us more free agent room for next year. If they are willing to do a Jose and Jennings swap, it's a no brainer. If they want more, then thats a separate discussion.
But to respond to your post, why not have both? Jennings now....Rondo later!
Why is Detroit doing Jennings for Calderon?
They are going to lose Jennings anyway......and Calderon is a solid backup PG with a short contract. Your starting and backup PG position is set. Vs.....adding an unproven rookie as your backup or a solid veteran backup with starter experience. Remember, Calderon's contract year is the year after next. With the cap going up, his contract is very minimal.....I'm not sure Detroit can get a better backup (with starter experience) at that price.
blkexec wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:blkexec wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather take the chance on B.Jennings and the injury risk that comes with him or would you rather take the risk on R.Rondo and his attitude problems?? I think Rondo would be a big help for this team but would his bad attitude hurt the team more than his great play would help the team?? I think if we added a R.Rondo and a N.Batum and go to a small ball starting lineup we would be contending for deep playoff runs and maybe even a championship.PG--R.Rondo
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--N.Batum
PF--Melo
C--KP6To get both of them we'd have to trade for one and get the other in free agency after the year so it would be tough to do but that lineup and with some really good players coming off the bench we'd be a fun team to watch and a dangerous team to play.
I don't think it's an accurate comparison. We can obtain Jennings right now and still get Rondo next season, IF Jennings doesn't work out.
I'm not worried about his injury.....I'm all too famaliar with that. I worry more about his defense. But Jennings would be an offensive addition plus he will increase team assist. He will add much needed fire power to our starting unit, and possibly help us remove Jose's contract and give us more free agent room for next year. If they are willing to do a Jose and Jennings swap, it's a no brainer. If they want more, then thats a separate discussion.
But to respond to your post, why not have both? Jennings now....Rondo later!
Why is Detroit doing Jennings for Calderon?
They are going to lose Jennings anyway......and Calderon is a solid backup PG with a short contract. Your starting and backup PG position is set. Vs.....adding an unproven rookie as your backup or a solid veteran backup with starter experience. Remember, Calderon's contract year is the year after next. With the cap going up, his contract is very minimal.....I'm not sure Detroit can get a better backup (with starter experience) at that price.
Calderon doesn't fit what Detroit does on offense though. Jennings does. SVG has hinted he's going to try to make it work. And he has ultimate control there.
Garnett, Pierce and Allen really kept him in check and he still had multiple problems. He was a disaster in Dallas and his been no saint in Sactown. So why bring on a personality like that when you have good chemistry and good guys in the lockroom.
MS wrote:Rondo is problem.Garnett, Pierce and Allen really kept him in check and he still had multiple problems. He was a disaster in Dallas and his been no saint in Sactown. So why bring on a personality like that when you have good chemistry and good guys in the lockroom.
Rondo is a risk worth taking, IF he's the final championship piece to the puzzle. Right now, we are not a Rondo addition away from winning a championship. But if we hit on all of our free agency targets, (big and small)....we could be! But knowing how things went this last off season, my guess is no.....And if thats the case, Rondo can single handidly destroy your team / coach. So it depends on what pieces we add, similar to the vets Rondo had in Boston. He needs to be in a good fit for him to succeed.
blkexec wrote:MS wrote:Rondo is problem.Garnett, Pierce and Allen really kept him in check and he still had multiple problems. He was a disaster in Dallas and his been no saint in Sactown. So why bring on a personality like that when you have good chemistry and good guys in the lockroom.
Rondo is a risk worth taking, IF he's the final championship piece to the puzzle. Right now, we are not a Rondo addition away from winning a championship. But if we hit on all of our free agency targets, (big and small)....we could be! But knowing how things went this last off season, my guess is no.....And if thats the case, Rondo can single handidly destroy your team / coach. So it depends on what pieces we add, similar to the vets Rondo had in Boston. He needs to be in a good fit for him to succeed.
Rondo is not a consideration under any circumstances. It took 3 superstars and a willing coach to even keep him in check. I don't think the Knicks, even if they added say a Durant would be able to keep Rondo in check. Fisher doesn't have that sort of coach pull either.
ChuckBuck wrote:blkexec wrote:MS wrote:Rondo is problem.Garnett, Pierce and Allen really kept him in check and he still had multiple problems. He was a disaster in Dallas and his been no saint in Sactown. So why bring on a personality like that when you have good chemistry and good guys in the lockroom.
Rondo is a risk worth taking, IF he's the final championship piece to the puzzle. Right now, we are not a Rondo addition away from winning a championship. But if we hit on all of our free agency targets, (big and small)....we could be! But knowing how things went this last off season, my guess is no.....And if thats the case, Rondo can single handidly destroy your team / coach. So it depends on what pieces we add, similar to the vets Rondo had in Boston. He needs to be in a good fit for him to succeed.
Rondo is not a consideration under any circumstances. It took 3 superstars and a willing coach to even keep him in check. I don't think the Knicks, even if they added say a Durant would be able to keep Rondo in check. Fisher doesn't have that sort of coach pull either.
It would be Phil's task to get through to him. Rondo is considered a genius but has some sort of socialization issue.
dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:blkexec wrote:MS wrote:Rondo is problem.Garnett, Pierce and Allen really kept him in check and he still had multiple problems. He was a disaster in Dallas and his been no saint in Sactown. So why bring on a personality like that when you have good chemistry and good guys in the lockroom.
Rondo is a risk worth taking, IF he's the final championship piece to the puzzle. Right now, we are not a Rondo addition away from winning a championship. But if we hit on all of our free agency targets, (big and small)....we could be! But knowing how things went this last off season, my guess is no.....And if thats the case, Rondo can single handidly destroy your team / coach. So it depends on what pieces we add, similar to the vets Rondo had in Boston. He needs to be in a good fit for him to succeed.
Rondo is not a consideration under any circumstances. It took 3 superstars and a willing coach to even keep him in check. I don't think the Knicks, even if they added say a Durant would be able to keep Rondo in check. Fisher doesn't have that sort of coach pull either.
It would be Phil's task to get through to him. Rondo is considered a genius but has some sort of socialization issue.
Phil ain't the head coach any more. It would take coach and players and the Knicks got other things to deal with
martin wrote:dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:blkexec wrote:MS wrote:Rondo is problem.Garnett, Pierce and Allen really kept him in check and he still had multiple problems. He was a disaster in Dallas and his been no saint in Sactown. So why bring on a personality like that when you have good chemistry and good guys in the lockroom.
Rondo is a risk worth taking, IF he's the final championship piece to the puzzle. Right now, we are not a Rondo addition away from winning a championship. But if we hit on all of our free agency targets, (big and small)....we could be! But knowing how things went this last off season, my guess is no.....And if thats the case, Rondo can single handidly destroy your team / coach. So it depends on what pieces we add, similar to the vets Rondo had in Boston. He needs to be in a good fit for him to succeed.
Rondo is not a consideration under any circumstances. It took 3 superstars and a willing coach to even keep him in check. I don't think the Knicks, even if they added say a Durant would be able to keep Rondo in check. Fisher doesn't have that sort of coach pull either.
It would be Phil's task to get through to him. Rondo is considered a genius but has some sort of socialization issue.
Phil ain't the head coach any more. It would take coach and players and the Knicks got other things to deal with
but he is around. maybe he'd be around enough or commit to being around enough if rondo ended up here. the issue would not only be rondo's personality but how well he could function in the triangle where the point guard's role is much less orchestrating and drive and kick and more making entry passes to post bigs and draining corner threes.
it would not be a great fit even without the behavioral issues.
dk7th wrote:martin wrote:dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:blkexec wrote:MS wrote:Rondo is problem.Garnett, Pierce and Allen really kept him in check and he still had multiple problems. He was a disaster in Dallas and his been no saint in Sactown. So why bring on a personality like that when you have good chemistry and good guys in the lockroom.
Rondo is a risk worth taking, IF he's the final championship piece to the puzzle. Right now, we are not a Rondo addition away from winning a championship. But if we hit on all of our free agency targets, (big and small)....we could be! But knowing how things went this last off season, my guess is no.....And if thats the case, Rondo can single handidly destroy your team / coach. So it depends on what pieces we add, similar to the vets Rondo had in Boston. He needs to be in a good fit for him to succeed.
Rondo is not a consideration under any circumstances. It took 3 superstars and a willing coach to even keep him in check. I don't think the Knicks, even if they added say a Durant would be able to keep Rondo in check. Fisher doesn't have that sort of coach pull either.
It would be Phil's task to get through to him. Rondo is considered a genius but has some sort of socialization issue.
Phil ain't the head coach any more. It would take coach and players and the Knicks got other things to deal with
but he is around. maybe he'd be around enough or commit to being around enough if rondo ended up here. the issue would not only be rondo's personality but how well he could function in the triangle where the point guard's role is much less orchestrating and drive and kick and more making entry passes to post bigs and draining corner threes.
it would not be a great fit even without the behavioral issues.
Seems like Rondo does better when given a blank system, where he can improvise. But when he's in a system with too many contraints, he struggles. At least that was the case in Dallas. But Fisher isn't that type. Fisher allows his players to play during the game. Thats why some people even question if we are running the triangle. And thats why Melo is ranked 2nd in ISO plays behind James Harden. The coach in Dallas is different....He would pull Melo out of the game, similar to what he did with Rondo. Fisher does it in a more suttle way. Plus, I believe Rondo and Melo's relationship off the field, would be the main glue.....So I can see Rondo working out in NY. But I don't think it would happen. The problem with Rondo is what system or team is willing to take him and at what cost?