mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:dk7th wrote:Knixkik wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I never liked PP's game until after Garnett's arrival. I always thought he was arrogant and trigger happy. When Garnett and Allen arrived,PP changed his total approach and became a better all around BB player.
I think the idea Pierce suddenly became a different player is more myth than reality. Yeah, he took less shots. He now has Allen, KG in the starting line-up and a true PG distributing. Of course he was going to take less shots.
Is that really a big deal considering the team they were before that?
Pierce led celtics teams in his prime that did not make the playoffs. Teams with more talent than the Knicks have had in some years with Melo. But once you get really good players alongside you and your workload decreases, you tend to round out your game a little bit. Pierce made the right adjustments, but he wasn't a much different player. He gets associated with that championship team though, so it makes him a better player, leader, etc by association. Winning changes the perception of everyone, and it becomes easy to say he became a better player.
that's a ridiculous take. who'd the celtics have other than pierce that were anything? jamison whose game was total shyt and an ineffective kenny anderson. who were the others? in any case, why not consider that these inferior, overrated players he was stuck with actually hindered his ability to use the skills he already possessed, such as:
footwork phenomenal
maintaining his dribble during footwork
ballhandling superior
passing skills are fantastic
pick and roll game superb
terrific ball faker and head faker
eager and capable defender... underrated
pierce is cluuuuuttttccch
Your explanation makes it easier to see why Pierce and Carmelo to be viewed as similar players. To be honest, PP is not a bad dude to be compared to.
They are not the same, PP is/was the player that we hope melo can become.
Forgetting that Pierce is more myth than reality, anyone expecting Melo to significantly morph his game in year 13 is just paying rhetorical games.
I don't expect melo to change, I PRAY that phil can get into his head and there are signs that there is somebody in melo's head.
Melo does not need to morph his game, it takes a mindset transplant to see that playing like he did last night is what everybody desperately wants from him.
As noted last night, he's gotten a triple double as a Knick before. He's a willing passer. Some night more than others. Some nights the passes will convert into assists more than others. Some nights the defense will give him different things.
It was a game. Why try to turn it into a turning point? That happens overs months, not quarters.
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need to either draft a PG (we have no draft pick next year), or get one via FA. We need Westbrook
How about Curry?
Why am I not surprised??? Just pick a player and stop being asscastic:))))
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:dk7th wrote:Knixkik wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I never liked PP's game until after Garnett's arrival. I always thought he was arrogant and trigger happy. When Garnett and Allen arrived,PP changed his total approach and became a better all around BB player.
I think the idea Pierce suddenly became a different player is more myth than reality. Yeah, he took less shots. He now has Allen, KG in the starting line-up and a true PG distributing. Of course he was going to take less shots.
Is that really a big deal considering the team they were before that?
Pierce led celtics teams in his prime that did not make the playoffs. Teams with more talent than the Knicks have had in some years with Melo. But once you get really good players alongside you and your workload decreases, you tend to round out your game a little bit. Pierce made the right adjustments, but he wasn't a much different player. He gets associated with that championship team though, so it makes him a better player, leader, etc by association. Winning changes the perception of everyone, and it becomes easy to say he became a better player.
that's a ridiculous take. who'd the celtics have other than pierce that were anything? jamison whose game was total shyt and an ineffective kenny anderson. who were the others? in any case, why not consider that these inferior, overrated players he was stuck with actually hindered his ability to use the skills he already possessed, such as:
footwork phenomenal
maintaining his dribble during footwork
ballhandling superior
passing skills are fantastic
pick and roll game superb
terrific ball faker and head faker
eager and capable defender... underrated
pierce is cluuuuuttttccch
Your explanation makes it easier to see why Pierce and Carmelo to be viewed as similar players. To be honest, PP is not a bad dude to be compared to.
They are not the same, PP is/was the player that we hope melo can become.
Forgetting that Pierce is more myth than reality, anyone expecting Melo to significantly morph his game in year 13 is just paying rhetorical games.
I don't expect melo to change, I PRAY that phil can get into his head and there are signs that there is somebody in melo's head.
Melo does not need to morph his game, it takes a mindset transplant to see that playing like he did last night is what everybody desperately wants from him.
As noted last night, he's gotten a triple double as a Knick before. He's a willing passer. Some night more than others. Some nights the passes will convert into assists more than others. Some nights the defense will give him different things.
It was a game. Why try to turn it into a turning point? That happens overs months, not quarters.
Because I saw the same type of play in Sacramento and because I am sure that Fisher and Phil are hammering it into his head. Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
I think that a light went on and it won't change overnight but I think that he may be starting to realize that a change is a must. Now the question is if he can fight his hunger for buckets every single night.
Don't now if he can do this consistently or if he really wants to but as a diehard, I am holding out hope. I know that he is capable of having many of these types of games.
Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need to either draft a PG (we have no draft pick next year), or get one via FA. We need Westbrook
How about Curry?
Why am I not surprised??? Just pick a player and stop being asscastic:))))
were you being sarcastic with wetbrook?
mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need to either draft a PG (we have no draft pick next year), or get one via FA. We need Westbrook
How about Curry?
Why am I not surprised??? Just pick a player and stop being asscastic:))))
were you being sarcastic with wetbrook?
Hell no, but you already know that curry will never leave GS. The sentiment is not the same for Westbrook
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
1.) You don't know any of that.
2.) If any of it were accurate, why hasn't this been a factor the first 12.3 years of his career?
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
1.) You don't know any of that.
2.) If any of it were accurate, why hasn't this been a factor the first 12.3 years of his career?
As the dude gets closer to the end of his career, he is realizing that he can't just be scoring the ball; he himself said so in the last article I posted earlier. He is older and closer to retirement:) he is also wiser as a basketball player
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
Do the 'smart fans' post Berman articles?
Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
1.) You don't know any of that.
2.) If any of it were accurate, why hasn't this been a factor the first 12.3 years of his career?
As the dude gets closer to the end of his career, he is realizing that he can't just be scoring the ball; he himself said so in the last article I posted earlier. He is older and closer to retirement:) he is also wiser as a basketball player
All I'm suggesting is wait a month or two to see if there is any real demonstrative difference.
We've seen games and heard talk like this before.
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
1.) You don't know any of that.
2.) If any of it were accurate, why hasn't this been a factor the first 12.3 years of his career?
I do know that 1)
cause now zen is in the house and zen dont play dat 2)
the Araton force is strong in that one.
Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need to either draft a PG (we have no draft pick next year), or get one via FA. We need Westbrook
How about Curry?
Why am I not surprised??? Just pick a player and stop being asscastic:))))
were you being sarcastic with wetbrook?
Hell no, but you already know that curry will never leave GS. The sentiment is not the same for Westbrook
Not that its ever gonna happen. But Would the posters on this board tolerate Currys style of play? Or ould they call for the best volume shooter in the NBA to pass the ball and play the right way?
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
Do the 'smart fans' post Berman articles?
it depends what the smart fan wishes to accomplish 
mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
Do the 'smart fans' post Berman articles?
it depends what the smart fan wishes to accomplish
Berman is the best writer in NY. When it comes to covering what donut goes best with certain fast food. He has no clue about basketball. Has never played basketball. Covered Tennis previously, never played that as well. And hates anyone that makes more than his $500 per article salary. That would put Melo on "hit list" type level of hate.
HofstraBBall wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:Also, the fans, at least the smarter ones are just not going for this crappy selfish style anymore and are pretty much sick of his incredibly selfish shot selection down the stretch of games.
Whether a fan "goes" for anything has no effect on his or the Knicks play. So I don't know declaring a tolerance level on a message board speaks to the intellect of anyone.
And I know there are no trophies.
fans do have an effect. Melo cares what the fans are thinking and saying/posting at all times. He also reads the papers, listens to radio shows and who knows, maybe he even surfs here.
Do the 'smart fans' post Berman articles?
it depends what the smart fan wishes to accomplish
Berman is the best writer in NY. When it comes to covering what donut goes best with certain fast food. He has no clue about basketball. Has never played basketball. Covered Tennis previously, never played that as well. And hates anyone that makes more than his $500 per article salary. That would put Melo on "hit list" type level of hate.
$500?!?!?! Dude's killing it! (considering the content)
Ladies (Carmelo haters),Carmelo appears to now have his legs u dear him. He has done a few things in the game Vs. the Bulls that I have not seen in years. He put the ball on the floor and attacked the paint like Lebron; be elevated for an alley hoop, he was finishing plays like a monster, and most of all, he was defending, vocal and he was leading his teammates. This Carmelo is a superstar folks
