Knicks · Knicks are on the right path... couple pieces missing (page 2)
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.
newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.
A lot of players on your list are probably not on the trade blocks unless you blow them away.
newyorker4ever wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:We desperately need a point guard with good vision/passing ability. I admit Jose has done better BUT the guy still doesn't have good vision or much passing ability IMO. I keep hoping Fisher lets Jerian have time with the starters but he doesn't trust him I guess.
He really hasn't shown much besides in a couple of games to get the consistent big minutes yet but i do look forward to his future with us. I still believe we need better at the PG spot. I would love to get A.Shved back. The way he can get to the basket and get to the foul line and his passing would be big for this team right now.
Yeah Phil not bringing back Shed was a mistake. I think he felt that Jerian would be able to contribute at a higher level. I still think Jerian is an answer for this team. Fish is really tough on his guards and I think Jerian kind of gets a bad rap for his mistakes. I think Jerian would look a LOT better if he played more minutes with Melo, Afflalo and KP. As I pointed out Jerian and KP have only played a total of 17 minutes together all season. Jerian is our best PnR PG and i'd LOVE to see him working with KP in the 2 man game. Of course Jerian has to improve his jumper in order to truly be a full threat.
yellowboy90 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.A lot of players on your list are probably not on the trade blocks unless you blow them away.
Yeah, I think our only hope to get pieces like this is in Free Agency. Batum is a FA next summer. Most of these other guys are not.
Al is a FA this summer but the problem is that he is going to turn 30 and will command a $20m+ deal. That is a lot to give a player not on the same time table as KP. It would give the knicks a chance to compete now if KP improves and Melo can get/stay healthy. If the Knicks wanted to go this route I would shoot for the stars and try to get Teague too. Teague has one more year on his deal after the 15-16 season and if Horford bolts why not get something for Teague and give Schroeder the keys.
crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.A lot of players on your list are probably not on the trade blocks unless you blow them away.
Yeah, I think our only hope to get pieces like this is in Free Agency. Batum is a FA next summer. Most of these other guys are not.
I had hope for Batum but unless the Hornets start losing and go on a major collapse I think Batum stays unless he just wants to play in the bright lights.
yellowboy90 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.A lot of players on your list are probably not on the trade blocks unless you blow them away.
I understand that i was just giving my opinion on some players i think could fit in with what we need and most of the teams i mentioned have been known to be open to doing some trading. I also think that even though Rolo hasn't been working out for us so far he is someone that other teams would want so you offer him with a couple other of our guys and we could get a good package in return. I expect Phil to be busy around the trade dealine.
crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.A lot of players on your list are probably not on the trade blocks unless you blow them away.
Yeah, I think our only hope to get pieces like this is in Free Agency. Batum is a FA next summer. Most of these other guys are not.
Batum is at the top of my list for free agency next year but if Charlotte doesn't think they'll be able to bring him back then he could be easier to get then you would think.
newyorker4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.A lot of players on your list are probably not on the trade blocks unless you blow them away.
Yeah, I think our only hope to get pieces like this is in Free Agency. Batum is a FA next summer. Most of these other guys are not.
Batum is at the top of my list for free agency next year but if Charlotte doesn't think they'll be able to bring him back then he could be easier to get then you would think.
Batum is already saying he would strongly consider re-signing there. Even if he's bluffing, I think Charlotte will hold on to him and take their best shot in FA. They can still offer him the most years and most money.
I asked Batum Wednesday night if he would like to stay with the Hornets long-term.“Why not?” Batum said. “I like their vision.”
Batum pointed to long-term deals with Walker, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Jeremy Lamb and an extension for Cody Zeller.
“They see long-term with guys who can play right now,” Batum said.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/...
bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.
You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.
I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?
EnySpree wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.
You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.
I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?
How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).
What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?
knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
Why is jennings an upgrade, what has he done in his NBA career that REMOTELY makes him a winner, Leader, and a high character guy. You're sacrificing a lot of other attributes that's not on a stat sheet, for a guy whose best attribute is his athletic ability (not to mention he's coming off one the worse injuries to have)
You are looking at things on the surface, but you have to think a little deeper
If you want to dig deeper you will see the Knicks have no shot at any point guard that would be considered a flat out upgrade. Jennings has scored 50 points in a game. He's not a bum. He is better than Calderón and closer to competing with guys like Conley etc.
bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.
You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.
I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?
How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).
What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?
Yeah, unless Noah is demanding to get out and they want to fix their chemistry, I think they'll probably just let him walk in the summer. Cap space is more valuable to the Bulls than 3.5 years of ROLO at ~$13M
I think the Bulls may be in a holding pattern a bit this season while they try to determine if Derrick Rose can get back to his old self or not.
But something seems weird with that team. I wouldn't be shocked if they traded Noah, but I bet they'd try to get more than ROLO.
bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.
You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.
I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?
How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).
What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?
But I explained that too. I'm not going to retype it.
newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.
This list is nice but how do we get any of those guys?
I do see Indiana as a place for Rolo. They have too many guards and need a real center. Monta Ellis experiment isn't working for them
EnySpree wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.
You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.
I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?
How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).
What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?
But I explained that too. I'm not going to retype it.
I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing.The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.
Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.
Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home
Chicago is going to lose Gasol next year along with Noah. Maybe they get Rolo based on his reputation around the league
Not really seeing a pro-Chicago Lopez argument here. So say Noah is an afterthought in Chicago, but Lopez is playing a similar role here.
Is the pro-argument they'r taking on Lopez for 3.5 years because of his reputation around the league despite the fact you don't think he's very good?
bigbasketballs wrote:
Not really seeing a pro-Chicago Lopez argument here. So say Noah is an afterthought in Chicago, but Lopez is playing a similar role here.Is the pro-argument they'r taking on Lopez for 3.5 years because of his reputation around the league despite the fact you don't think he's very good?
The pro-Chicago argument is only if they decide to cut ties with Noah. Noah is getting more and more vocal. He's accused the starters of not bringing the right energy to start games (he's coming off the bench now, so he's throwing his teammates under the bus).
It sort of reminds me of when Tyson fell out of favor in NY.
crzymdups wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:
Not really seeing a pro-Chicago Lopez argument here. So say Noah is an afterthought in Chicago, but Lopez is playing a similar role here.Is the pro-argument they'r taking on Lopez for 3.5 years because of his reputation around the league despite the fact you don't think he's very good?
The pro-Chicago argument is only if they decide to cut ties with Noah. Noah is getting more and more vocal. He's accused the starters of not bringing the right energy to start games (he's coming off the bench now, so he's throwing his teammates under the bus).
It sort of reminds me of when Tyson fell out of favor in NY.
No, I get that, but it's one-half of an argument. Still gott make the case Lopez is a desirable acquisition for Chicago.
I mean Philly is always open for business if they just want to dump Noah moreso than are genuinely attracted to Lopez.
bigbasketballs wrote:crzymdups wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:
Not really seeing a pro-Chicago Lopez argument here. So say Noah is an afterthought in Chicago, but Lopez is playing a similar role here.Is the pro-argument they'r taking on Lopez for 3.5 years because of his reputation around the league despite the fact you don't think he's very good?
The pro-Chicago argument is only if they decide to cut ties with Noah. Noah is getting more and more vocal. He's accused the starters of not bringing the right energy to start games (he's coming off the bench now, so he's throwing his teammates under the bus).
It sort of reminds me of when Tyson fell out of favor in NY.
No, I get that, but it's one-half of an argument. Still gott make the case Lopez is a desirable acquisition for Chicago.
I mean Philly is always open for business if they just want to dump Noah moreso than are genuinely attracted to Lopez.
Philly is under new management - they have Nerlens Noel, Okafor and Embiid in the wings. I don't think Colangelo would sign off on another one of those "we'll take your contract for a draft pick" trades.
ROLO is a quality big man - he could come off the bench or start in a pinch. I think the Knicks may need to sweeten that deal somehow... but it really has to come down to Chicago deciding to cut ties. I agree the issue with Rolo is the length of his contract. The money is fine, but that's a lot of years to commit to Rolo. Though I think he'll always be relatively trade-able. When the cap is $100M, his $13M deal will be the equivalent of trying to move a $6M deal about five years ago. Totally reasonable.
I go back and forth about whether Chicago would listen on Rolo. It really depends on where they are on Noah. Could see them making a move around the trade deadline if they still have chemistry issues.
All Lopez needs is a change of scenery or a readjustment of his role. For him to produce as a knick they need to restrict his post touches unless he has excellent position, and they could stagger his minutes with Grant and have the second unit run the more PnR heavy version they toyed with in pre-season.
crzymdups wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:crzymdups wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:
Not really seeing a pro-Chicago Lopez argument here. So say Noah is an afterthought in Chicago, but Lopez is playing a similar role here.Is the pro-argument they'r taking on Lopez for 3.5 years because of his reputation around the league despite the fact you don't think he's very good?
The pro-Chicago argument is only if they decide to cut ties with Noah. Noah is getting more and more vocal. He's accused the starters of not bringing the right energy to start games (he's coming off the bench now, so he's throwing his teammates under the bus).
It sort of reminds me of when Tyson fell out of favor in NY.
No, I get that, but it's one-half of an argument. Still gott make the case Lopez is a desirable acquisition for Chicago.
I mean Philly is always open for business if they just want to dump Noah moreso than are genuinely attracted to Lopez.
Philly is under new management - they have Nerlens Noel, Okafor and Embiid in the wings. I don't think Colangelo would sign off on another one of those "we'll take your contract for a draft pick" trades.
So long as they're well under the cap (and they are), little reason not to still do this sort of trade. There's not downside and he's expiring, so not a long-term play.
ROLO is a quality big man - he could come off the bench or start in a pinch. I think the Knicks may need to sweeten that deal somehow... but it really has to come down to Chicago deciding to cut ties. I agree the issue with Rolo is the length of his contract. The money is fine, but that's a lot of years to commit to Rolo. Though I think he'll always be relatively trade-able. When the cap is $100M, his $13M deal will be the equivalent of trying to move a $6M deal about five years ago. Totally reasonable.I go back and forth about whether Chicago would listen on Rolo. It really depends on where they are on Noah. Could see them making a move around the trade deadline if they still have chemistry issues.
I'm more responding to the OP. It seems all Noah is a really good player, Lopez isn't, so let's swap them. Always have a sore spot for that sort of thing.