meloshouldgo wrote:I think Fish comes in with a game plan and sticks to it. He hasn't shown the ability to adapt dynamically to what the opposition is doing. Given the opposition was the full and healthy team that when to the finals last year and we didn't have one of our two main scorers on the floor, I am not worried.
If this is true...going back to the Orlando game- you wonder if he had it in his head that only Lopez was going to guard Vucevic, and that KP was not an option even though Lopez was getting scored upon at will late in the game.
Guys still have to make the right decisions on the court, though.
Knicks1969 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Can you blame a coach that holds the NBA finals team to under 37% shooting until the last 3 Minutes? Keeps a team, without their star player, in the game until the last 3 minutes of a game. Is unable to stop the best player in the league from taking over in the last couple of minutes? Yes, hindsight says he could of or should of but blaming him for the loss? Probably not be the best game to do so. Our offense just got tentative in the last minutes when Cavs turned up the heat. Good game all around. Including the coaching.
The coach that held the NBA finals team to 37% shooting????? Did he suit up and defend the other team?
Somewhat unfair to blame Fisher for the bad while not giving him any credit for the good.
You just can't pick and choose the stuff you use to attack Fisher while ignoring or downplaying anything that might make him look like he knows what he's doing.
Best thing for you to do is to just discuss the SPECIFIC things he did wrong and the SPECIFIC things a good coach would do in the same situation.
TeamBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Can you blame a coach that holds the NBA finals team to under 37% shooting until the last 3 Minutes? Keeps a team, without their star player, in the game until the last 3 minutes of a game. Is unable to stop the best player in the league from taking over in the last couple of minutes? Yes, hindsight says he could of or should of but blaming him for the loss? Probably not be the best game to do so. Our offense just got tentative in the last minutes when Cavs turned up the heat. Good game all around. Including the coaching.
The coach that held the NBA finals team to 37% shooting????? Did he suit up and defend the other team?
No... but he DID fail to hit shots down the stretch. Actually the coach failed to get the players to get the ball to KP, but if KP had missed those shots? THAT would have been the coaches fault for sure.Has anyone who writes this stuff ever actually played a team sport past the 6th grade town rec league?
I agree with you fish but I see where Knicks1969 is coming from. If you're going to go as for as to give FISHER the credit for holding the cavs to a low shooting percentage then it does need to go both ways.
HofstraBBall was simply responding to the OP by bringing up the fact that the Knicks did a decent defensive job on the Cavs, and played tough ball without our best player.
In essence, he was responding to the OP's comments in about the same way you are responding to his.
I'll admit that I myself have to take a deep breath every once in a while and remind myself how much improvement we've seen so far.
And . . . remind myself that this is the Triangle culture we're talking about.
We're unlikely to win the NBA championship this season. Even making the playoffs seems unlikely.
So I'm learning to go with the flow . . . observe how things are unfolding (as best as it's possible to figure that out) . . . and wait to evaluate Fisher until the end of the year.
I mean: it's almost inconceivable that Fisher would be removed this year. So why complain about him (?)
blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
WaltLongmire wrote:TeamBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Can you blame a coach that holds the NBA finals team to under 37% shooting until the last 3 Minutes? Keeps a team, without their star player, in the game until the last 3 minutes of a game. Is unable to stop the best player in the league from taking over in the last couple of minutes? Yes, hindsight says he could of or should of but blaming him for the loss? Probably not be the best game to do so. Our offense just got tentative in the last minutes when Cavs turned up the heat. Good game all around. Including the coaching.
The coach that held the NBA finals team to 37% shooting????? Did he suit up and defend the other team?
No... but he DID fail to hit shots down the stretch. Actually the coach failed to get the players to get the ball to KP, but if KP had missed those shots? THAT would have been the coaches fault for sure.Has anyone who writes this stuff ever actually played a team sport past the 6th grade town rec league?
I agree with you fish but I see where Knicks1969 is coming from. If you're going to go as for as to give FISHER the credit for holding the cavs to a low shooting percentage then it does need to go both ways.
HofstraBBall was simply responding to the OP by bringing up the fact that the Knicks did a decent defensive job on the Cavs, and played tough ball without our best player.In essence, he was responding to the OP's comments in about the same way you are responding to his.
Haha well thank you Walt. I had surgery yesterday so I suppose I'm still out of it a little.
martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
+10000
Exactly how I see it. Puzzling that a guy like calderon would forget the IQ part of being a PG. Thought he would be slow but perhaps methodical.
I think that Jose has taught every knicks how not to lead a break. They are now all making the absolute wrong passes.
His shooting seems really deadly though and it would be really nice to use him off the ball as a spot up (kerr role). I don't think many can shoot it at a higher pct in this role.
mreinman wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
+10000
Exactly how I see it. Puzzling that a guy like calderon would forget the IQ part of being a PG. Thought he would be slow but perhaps methodical.
I think that Jose has taught every knicks how not to lead a break. They are now all making the absolute wrong passes.
His shooting seems really deadly though and it would be really nice to use him off the ball as a spot up (kerr role). I don't think many can shoot it at a higher pct in this role.
I think Jose may be overthinking things in the Triangle some. I saw him in Dallas and Toronto and he played a much more natural game. He may just be getting older though.
Either way, I agree with these posts.
mreinman wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
+10000
Exactly how I see it. Puzzling that a guy like calderon would forget the IQ part of being a PG. Thought he would be slow but perhaps methodical.
I think that Jose has taught every knicks how not to lead a break. They are now all making the absolute wrong passes.
His shooting seems really deadly though and it would be really nice to use him off the ball as a spot up (kerr role). I don't think many can shoot it at a higher pct in this role.
I'm sorry, but you are dreaming if you think Jose will ever shoot more. His 3pt% is like his ft% it looks good on paper but rarely gets put to use in real life. Those % are two collectable cars in Cameron Frye's Dad's garage that are never to be driven. Right now I long to be Cameron kicking the neck out of those cars(%s). 
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
+10000
Exactly how I see it. Puzzling that a guy like calderon would forget the IQ part of being a PG. Thought he would be slow but perhaps methodical.
I think that Jose has taught every knicks how not to lead a break. They are now all making the absolute wrong passes.
His shooting seems really deadly though and it would be really nice to use him off the ball as a spot up (kerr role). I don't think many can shoot it at a higher pct in this role.
I'm sorry, but you are dreaming if you think Jose will ever shoot more. His 3pt% is like his ft% it looks good on paper but rarely gets put to use in real life. Those % are two collectable cars in Cameron Frye's Dad's garage that are never to be driven. Right now I long to be Cameron kicking the neck out of those cars(%s).
you are forgetting big chief zenmeister
It blows my mind that fish isn't held accountable for his actions as the head coach ... Playing KP at the 5 vs a banger like zaza or mozzie or Thompson but not vs vucevic ? Or still starting Jose when he is clearly a back up and Gallo is 10 times better esp on defense? Not being able to execute a inbounds play when 90% of other teams are very successful off inbound plays off timeouts? Not being able to adjust a game plan during the game ? Still hasn't settled on a rotation and its almost January? Going iso at the end of games when we are playing great team ball also 90% of teams don't Iso at the end of games? Not getting our best player the ball in the 4th after 23pts through 3qts? Calling random timeouts halfway through the shotclock ?
Last night we went up by 4 playing great team ball only for fish to call a time out and say lets iso AA vs their best defender? Wtf kinda game plan is that? He should say lets keep the ball moving and get open looks and close this game out on defense?
Our head coach dose not know what he is doing and clearly hasn't figured out how to close out close games.
I also feel bad for a guy like dwill who offensively is what this team needs
More of and as much as I love LTs defense d will deserves a lot of LTs minutes ... And you see it on his face when clueless fish pulls him out he's pissed at fish... He's like man I just got going and your pulling me out for Lance wtf !
We need a real coach who has experience who knows how to win ... I would say we need Phil to come down but he's too old...
Again how is the head coach not in control of his players why wouldn't he tell them how to win, what not to do like iso AA on there best defender.. Or when KP is open you get him the ball? How on earth is this not on our coach
martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
But you are very supportive of fishers rotation, so im not sure what your proposing
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
But you are very supportive of fishers rotation, so im not sure what your proposing
I am not proposing anything here and didn't at all suggest anything about Fisher's rotations.
If you don't start Jose, who do you start? Gallo? He's a solid player but clearly not a PG. Grant is lost. Also, Gallo off the bench gives you at least 1 guard who comes in and sparks.
You want to start Gallo... and what if he doesn't fit in and makes things worse (his shooting crumbles again and the offense is worse)? Then you switch again with 2 guys in disarray?
Gallo has been progressing nicely, so why fuck with that? Long term is he better where he is or starting? I don't think Gallo is a starter in this league.
Gallo is fitting in and then finishing games. That's nice progression.
What do you propose on Fisher's rotations that is just not switch it up for switching sake?
Halo is still shooting a higher % from 3 than Jose despite his slump. Also, if Jose is not acting like a pg does it really matter that Langston isn't a true pg?
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
But you are very supportive of fishers rotation, so im not sure what your proposing
I am not proposing anything here and didn't at all suggest anything about Fisher's rotations.
If you don't start Jose, who do you start? Gallo? He's a solid player but clearly not a PG. Grant is lost. Also, Gallo off the bench gives you at least 1 guard who comes in and sparks.
You want to start Gallo... and what if he doesn't fit in and makes things worse (his shooting crumbles again and the offense is worse)? Then you switch again with 2 guys in disarray?
Gallo has been progressing nicely, so why fuck with that? Long term is he better where he is or starting? I don't think Gallo is a starter in this league.
Gallo is fitting in and then finishing games. That's nice progression.
What do you propose on Fisher's rotations that is just not switch it up for switching sake?
The fact that a talent like grant is lost... Why the guy is a pure pg.. is it system? Lack of coaching ? I'm really not worried about this kids shot, he's still the best pg on the team at penetrating and dishing to the open man.. He's also a plus defender ... I terms of shot won't his confidance go up with more time? Not just randomly thrown into a few minutes or playing the whole 4th ...
With fish this rookie isn't sure if he's playing at all or if he is playing crunch time minutes working hard to set up Melo,KP,or AA ...
He plays lost cause the coach is lost.
fitzfarm wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
But you are very supportive of fishers rotation, so im not sure what your proposing
I am not proposing anything here and didn't at all suggest anything about Fisher's rotations.
If you don't start Jose, who do you start? Gallo? He's a solid player but clearly not a PG. Grant is lost. Also, Gallo off the bench gives you at least 1 guard who comes in and sparks.
You want to start Gallo... and what if he doesn't fit in and makes things worse (his shooting crumbles again and the offense is worse)? Then you switch again with 2 guys in disarray?
Gallo has been progressing nicely, so why fuck with that? Long term is he better where he is or starting? I don't think Gallo is a starter in this league.
Gallo is fitting in and then finishing games. That's nice progression.
What do you propose on Fisher's rotations that is just not switch it up for switching sake?
The fact that a talent like grant is lost... Why the guy is a pure pg.. is it system? Lack of coaching ? I'm really not worried about this kids shot, he's still the best pg on the team at penetrating and dishing to the open man.. He's also a plus defender ... I terms of shot won't his confidance go up with more time? Not just randomly thrown into a few minutes or playing the whole 4th ...
With fish this rookie isn't sure if he's playing at all or if he is playing crunch time minutes working hard to set up Melo,KP,or AA ...
He plays lost cause the coach is lost.
Gallo, KP sure aint lost and getting much better very quickly with their time in NY. Grant was getting very consistent minutes with the same 4-6 guys in the beggining of the season and then started to both miss shots and play more hesitantly, he needs to get his head on straight and make sure his balls are still intact.
martin wrote:fitzfarm wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
But you are very supportive of fishers rotation, so im not sure what your proposing
I am not proposing anything here and didn't at all suggest anything about Fisher's rotations.
If you don't start Jose, who do you start? Gallo? He's a solid player but clearly not a PG. Grant is lost. Also, Gallo off the bench gives you at least 1 guard who comes in and sparks.
You want to start Gallo... and what if he doesn't fit in and makes things worse (his shooting crumbles again and the offense is worse)? Then you switch again with 2 guys in disarray?
Gallo has been progressing nicely, so why fuck with that? Long term is he better where he is or starting? I don't think Gallo is a starter in this league.
Gallo is fitting in and then finishing games. That's nice progression.
What do you propose on Fisher's rotations that is just not switch it up for switching sake?
The fact that a talent like grant is lost... Why the guy is a pure pg.. is it system? Lack of coaching ? I'm really not worried about this kids shot, he's still the best pg on the team at penetrating and dishing to the open man.. He's also a plus defender ... I terms of shot won't his confidance go up with more time? Not just randomly thrown into a few minutes or playing the whole 4th ...
With fish this rookie isn't sure if he's playing at all or if he is playing crunch time minutes working hard to set up Melo,KP,or AA ...
He plays lost cause the coach is lost.
Gallo, KP sure aint lost and getting much better very quickly with their time in NY. Grant was getting very consistent minutes with the same 4-6 guys in the beggining of the season and then started to both miss shots and play more hesitantly, he needs to get his head on straight and make sure his balls are still intact.
Gallo and KP heck throw Lance Thomas in there are all playing consistent minutes ... Grant and d will on the other hand don't know when or how long they will play..
Dwill and grant deserve to know their roles... Grant didn't deserve his minutes to get cut same goes for dwill... Esp dwill why cause LT sucks fish and cups the balls ... If we had consistency in our rotation from the beginning of the season both grant and dwill would be contributing heavily in the second unit .... The same second unit that was beating the first unit in practice on a daily basis ...
I'm def not saying grant is a starting pg but why take away his minutes for who Sasha please
Kvetch, Kvetch, Kvetch - give it a rest. (I can't stand Trump - but he did inspire me to try a little Yiddish)
Almost every game has been competitive, we have one of the best young players in the league, Melo is showing confidence in his team mates and the team is playing hard (and believe it or not Fish probably know more about basketball than you.)
Happy Holidays! It's been along time since I've enjoyed a Knick team as much as this one.
fitzfarm wrote:martin wrote:fitzfarm wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:blkexec wrote:And yes....I will always consider the starting PG to be the extention of the coach....At least thats how it should be. The PG usually has the ball in his hands most of the game, and the PG sets the tone and calls the plays. This team could really use a better in game sigal caller. Calderon is not that type of player....Hes a knock down shooter. Melo is not a PG, he's a scorer. A solid PG would put everybody in their natural positions. And AA wouldn't have dominated the ball so much down the stretch.....And we posibly would've won.....But we can't win until we lose close games like this, against a championship caliber team. I think playing more athletes and transition defenders helped us stay in this game......
I haven't seen much of Jose prior to him joining the Knicks, but I thought that he would know by now how to recognize and call a better game. There are just too many simple PG plays that he completely misses and I am still flabbergasted. Fast break 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 and he makes the wrong pass. Just ran a simple PnR or fed ball to a post up where Knicks player got an easy basket.... next time down the court run it again until other team can prove they can defend it? KP on a hot streak shooting... find him the ball again?
Jose keeps missing these types of fairly easy stuff. He can shoot, he can move the ball, he's average at running a team and that most of all is hurting the Knicks. And his defense absolutely sucks but we already knew that.
But you are very supportive of fishers rotation, so im not sure what your proposing
I am not proposing anything here and didn't at all suggest anything about Fisher's rotations.
If you don't start Jose, who do you start? Gallo? He's a solid player but clearly not a PG. Grant is lost. Also, Gallo off the bench gives you at least 1 guard who comes in and sparks.
You want to start Gallo... and what if he doesn't fit in and makes things worse (his shooting crumbles again and the offense is worse)? Then you switch again with 2 guys in disarray?
Gallo has been progressing nicely, so why fuck with that? Long term is he better where he is or starting? I don't think Gallo is a starter in this league.
Gallo is fitting in and then finishing games. That's nice progression.
What do you propose on Fisher's rotations that is just not switch it up for switching sake?
The fact that a talent like grant is lost... Why the guy is a pure pg.. is it system? Lack of coaching ? I'm really not worried about this kids shot, he's still the best pg on the team at penetrating and dishing to the open man.. He's also a plus defender ... I terms of shot won't his confidance go up with more time? Not just randomly thrown into a few minutes or playing the whole 4th ...
With fish this rookie isn't sure if he's playing at all or if he is playing crunch time minutes working hard to set up Melo,KP,or AA ...
He plays lost cause the coach is lost.
Gallo, KP sure aint lost and getting much better very quickly with their time in NY. Grant was getting very consistent minutes with the same 4-6 guys in the beggining of the season and then started to both miss shots and play more hesitantly, he needs to get his head on straight and make sure his balls are still intact.
Gallo and KP heck throw Lance Thomas in there are all playing consistent minutes ... Grant and d will on the other hand don't know when or how long they will play..
Dwill and grant deserve to know their roles... Grant didn't deserve his minutes to get cut same goes for dwill... Esp dwill why cause LT sucks fish and cups the balls ... If we had consistency in our rotation from the beginning of the season both grant and dwill would be contributing heavily in the second unit .... The same second unit that was beating the first unit in practice on a daily basis ...
I'm def not saying grant is a starting pg but why take away his minutes for who Sasha please
This seems simplistic to me. Just give a player minute and surely they will perform?
You don't think the likes of career role players and assistant coaches and players that were former champs in Fish, Rambis, Cleamons and the rest don't understand the need of role players?
How about if those coaches have been asking specific things of the players and have been very clear to them what their expectation of play is and let them know how to earn more minutes?
I like to put pressure on the player to perform and grab deserving minutes.
I do expect Grant to grab extra minutes going forward by the nature of his arc and learning curve as a rookie, etc. DWill got to play D, rebound, not switch as much and make smart decisions and his time will go up, just like LT's.
Here's the thing with playing point in the Triangle, it's a strange mix of being aggressive but also patient. The PG has to know the system, read how the opponent is defending, see the best way to attack and call it by the time he gets across half court. PG has to be comfortable giving up the ball but watch to see if he needs to go get the ball back and run something specific! It is not easy! When do I attack? You can see Jerian thinking!
Jose is older but kind of does the same thing. He hides in the offense rather than run it. I never saw that coming based on how he's played in the past. However you really can't be 100% sure how a player will respond to the challenge. Shved was the complete opposite in that he came in and took to the offense like a fish in water. Shved was sometimes too aggressive but overall he was more impactful cuz he didn't play scared.
