Knicks · Fisher is an awful coach and he needs to go before next season (page 1)

nyvector16 @ 12/27/2015 11:16 AM
I posted this in a different thread, but I think it is worth its own.
Our coach is hurting our chances this year and hurting us for the future.


Fisher has been atrocious as Coach:
- No predictability in his rotations, kind of goes by the seat of his pants
- Never rides the hot hand, tends to sub out whoever is hot (Not including Carmelo)
- Makes no adjustments throughout the game after other team makes their adjustments
- Does not know when to call a timeout when the other team goes on a run
- But what bothers me most about him is he is hurting Porzingis' development

He has KP floating around the perimiter aimlessly with no set plays at all for him.
Anything KP gets is off putbacks and the luck of getting a pass in an ptherwise broken play.
I have not seen one play where KP comes off a pick, goes off a screen, rolls to the basket... just nothing for KP by design.
He is killing KP's offensive efficiency by pulling him in and out of lineups for no reason at all.
On top of that he seems to think that Lance Thomas and KP are the same player.
Fisher is not creative at all, and has no real bread and butter skill he can depend on.

Woodson had defense, D'Antoni had offense, Fisher has nothing....
I think we would have at least 3 or 4 more wins with either coach.

The thing that irritates me most about Fisher is he has an ego problem. If the Garden chants for KP, Fisher gets a chip about it and refuses to put him in. Like he is trying to prove a point that he will not be swayed by the crowd. He has been awful as coach so far and has hurt KP's development.

KP is a new breed of player, but our hack for a coach has no clue how to take advantage of his strengths.

knickscity @ 12/27/2015 11:42 AM
Fisher is terrible, but we're running the triangle regardless. If the team is amarried to the triangle, then it makes no sense for Fisher to go. Without a real upgrade in talent it wont matter. Losing 3-4 extra games is not a fireable offense.
CrushAlot @ 12/27/2015 12:09 PM

Saw this on realgm.
knicks1248 @ 12/27/2015 12:51 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Saw this on realgm.

Thats what he does best.

Talks about every man touching the ball, yet ran 3 straight post ups to AA against a very good defender in shumpert resulted in 2 misses and a turn over.

Doesn't know how to USE KP, or who to really play him with, at any point in any quarter he can go to the bench, weather he is hot or not

Runs No PnR, just half ass cut's and screens, that become as predictable (in the 2nd half when teams fully adjust) as a hoe on vegas strip

The spacing at times is soooo bad, it's hard to even watch, and you know a turnover or bad shot is coming

The first sub comes in between the 7 and 6 min mark of the 1st qtr even when the team is on a roll (fckng up any chemistry and rhythm) all of a sudden a 12 point lead is now 2 points.

knickscity @ 12/27/2015 12:56 PM
I honestly had no issue with his coaching in most first halves. I dont see how anyone could complain about the 1st quarter especially.
markvmc @ 12/27/2015 1:53 PM
Great start to the first, obviously, but I was actually a bit annoyed that he took out the starters relatively early. Atlanta are a good team, and we had a chance to step on their throats, and instead put in our reserves.
knickscity @ 12/27/2015 2:02 PM
markvmc wrote:Great start to the first, obviously, but I was actually a bit annoyed that he took out the starters relatively early. Atlanta are a good team, and we had a chance to step on their throats, and instead put in our reserves.

The bench didnt blow the first quarter though. Melo played the first 8+ minutes, was subbed by Derrick Williams whom immediately kept the scoring going, Porzingis came out a little early imo, the bench did fine in the first other than Grant.
martin @ 12/27/2015 3:11 PM
knickscity wrote:
markvmc wrote:Great start to the first, obviously, but I was actually a bit annoyed that he took out the starters relatively early. Atlanta are a good team, and we had a chance to step on their throats, and instead put in our reserves.

The bench didnt blow the first quarter though. Melo played the first 8+ minutes, was subbed by Derrick Williams whom immediately kept the scoring going, Porzingis came out a little early imo, the bench did fine in the first other than Grant.

KP come out early or did he ask out cause of finger?

Andrew @ 12/27/2015 3:38 PM
If you are saying You have never seen a play called for KP you probably are not watching many games. Back screen lobs to him have been amoungst the many highlights, and that seems to couter the overplay opponents defend the screen/cut to thr foul line for the open jumper.
markvmc @ 12/27/2015 4:32 PM
knickscity wrote:
markvmc wrote:Great start to the first, obviously, but I was actually a bit annoyed that he took out the starters relatively early. Atlanta are a good team, and we had a chance to step on their throats, and instead put in our reserves.

The bench didnt blow the first quarter though. Melo played the first 8+ minutes, was subbed by Derrick Williams whom immediately kept the scoring going, Porzingis came out a little early imo, the bench did fine in the first other than Grant.

They didn't blow it, but the lead was narrowed, whereas our starters were having their way with Atlanta. Would have preferred to try to extend the lead with the starters rather than subbing in as early as he did.

knickscity @ 12/27/2015 4:46 PM
markvmc wrote:
knickscity wrote:
markvmc wrote:Great start to the first, obviously, but I was actually a bit annoyed that he took out the starters relatively early. Atlanta are a good team, and we had a chance to step on their throats, and instead put in our reserves.

The bench didnt blow the first quarter though. Melo played the first 8+ minutes, was subbed by Derrick Williams whom immediately kept the scoring going, Porzingis came out a little early imo, the bench did fine in the first other than Grant.

They didn't blow it, but the lead was narrowed, whereas our starters were having their way with Atlanta. Would have preferred to try to extend the lead with the starters rather than subbing in as early as he did.


The starters cant play the whole quarter. Other than Porzingis coming out early, everyone else was subbed properly. melo I think was the last to come out, so the stability was still there. Complaining about the first quarter makes no sense. The bench did well in the 1st. The team was not gonna go up to 20+ in the first, but you would have had tired players before the half doing this your way.
nyknickzingis @ 12/27/2015 5:12 PM
Fisher's main problem is sub patterns. Everything else is solid to ok. He's not bad at strategy, since he is using Phil's mostly anyway. It's the sub patterns. Just awful.
knickscity @ 12/27/2015 5:57 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Fisher's main problem is sub patterns. Everything else is solid to ok. He's not bad at strategy, since he is using Phil's mostly anyway. It's the sub patterns. Just awful.

Sounds like a talent issue, because usually no matter who he puts in they do play hard even if they arent effective at what they're supposed to do. I thoroughly disagree that Fisher's only issue is sub patterns, his clock management is bad, along with play calling in the 4th. he doesnt have natural game changers like Jordan and Kobe to take over.

I dont even think Tex Winters would run this version of the triangle in todays NBA.

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