Knicks · Porzingis has turned this team around (page 4)
mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
It's fascinating that you are so good that you even know what Melo's dreams are. Tell me, when he was diving into chairs for loose balls and passing to the likes of Fishlips during the playoffs, what were his dreams then?
Melo can lead and be the alpha dog. Tough to be efficient when you've had the cast he's had. But look, when his cast improves, all of a sudden he's an efficient sniper. Funny how that works.
jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
It's fascinating that you are so good that you even know what Melo's dreams are. Tell me, when he was diving into chairs for loose balls and passing to the likes of Fishlips during the playoffs, what were his dreams then?
Melo can lead and be the alpha dog. Tough to be efficient when you've had the cast he's had. But look, when his cast improves, all of a sudden he's an efficient sniper. Funny how that works.
It's not mutually exclusive to cast. It's a perfect storm of things.
Melo realizing KP can carry the load at times, trusting in the system and Fish and Phil, and also the self realization that he's 31 and has to defer now, because his prime athletic years are behind him.
jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
It's fascinating that you are so good that you even know what Melo's dreams are. Tell me, when he was diving into chairs for loose balls and passing to the likes of Fishlips during the playoffs, what were his dreams then?
Melo can lead and be the alpha dog. Tough to be efficient when you've had the cast he's had. But look, when his cast improves, all of a sudden he's an efficient sniper. Funny how that works.
how did he average his most assists in a season on that horrible MDA year? How did Love average 4.5 assists on a terrible minny squad?
How do so many players who play on really bad teams still find a way to rack up assists?
And, if you played the game you would know that when the ball moves it makes everyone a better player. I have played with ball hogs and it can make good teammates look terrible since they are so out of rhythm and the alpha dog does not believe in them.
mreinman wrote:jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
It's fascinating that you are so good that you even know what Melo's dreams are. Tell me, when he was diving into chairs for loose balls and passing to the likes of Fishlips during the playoffs, what were his dreams then?
Melo can lead and be the alpha dog. Tough to be efficient when you've had the cast he's had. But look, when his cast improves, all of a sudden he's an efficient sniper. Funny how that works.
how did he average his most assists in a season on that horrible MDA year? How did Love average 4.5 assists on a terrible minny squad?
How do so many players who play on really bad teams still find a way to rack up assists?
And, if you played the game you would know that when the ball moves it makes everyone a better player. I have played with ball hogs and it can make good teammates look terrible since they are so out of rhythm and the alpha dog does not believe in them.
WTF are you talking about? If you could read, you'd know he averaged his most assists playing with AI (the 24ppg version), Andre Miller, Young JR, Boykins and Steve Blake, (the last three who all shot around 35% from 3).
And when you're playing the game with a bunch of dopey scrubs who can't do anything with the ball besides drop the pass, throw it out of bounds, dribble it off their feet or drive to the hole and throw it against the bottom of the backboard, what do you do then, Mr. Ball Movement? Rack up make believe assists? Chalk up your hero need to win to your brand-conscious ego problems?
We aren't talking about good teammates, we're talking about the likes of Toney Douglas, Ray Felton, Ronnie Turiaf and Shawne Williams. And you have yet to comment on the offensive goodness of Jared Jeffries. I bet you'd pass to him and make him into Jerry West, wouldn't you?
And that horrible MDA year you're referencing when he averaged 3.6 apg, his cast included Tyson Chandler (you know the guy who shoots 68% from the field), Steve Novak, Stat, JR Smith 2, Shump and Jesus Lin.
Stick to fuhucking with BRIGGS
jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
It's fascinating that you are so good that you even know what Melo's dreams are. Tell me, when he was diving into chairs for loose balls and passing to the likes of Fishlips during the playoffs, what were his dreams then?
Melo can lead and be the alpha dog. Tough to be efficient when you've had the cast he's had. But look, when his cast improves, all of a sudden he's an efficient sniper. Funny how that works.
how did he average his most assists in a season on that horrible MDA year? How did Love average 4.5 assists on a terrible minny squad?
How do so many players who play on really bad teams still find a way to rack up assists?
And, if you played the game you would know that when the ball moves it makes everyone a better player. I have played with ball hogs and it can make good teammates look terrible since they are so out of rhythm and the alpha dog does not believe in them.
WTF are you talking about? If you could read, you'd know he averaged his most assists playing with AI (the 24ppg version), Andre Miller, Young JR, Boykins and Steve Blake, (the last three who all shot around 35% from 3).
And when you're playing the game with a bunch of dopey scrubs who can't do anything with the ball besides drop the pass, throw it out of bounds, dribble it off their feet or drive to the hole and throw it against the bottom of the backboard, what do you do then, Mr. Ball Movement? Rack up make believe assists? Chalk up your hero need to win to your brand-conscious ego problems?
We aren't talking about good teammates, we're talking about the likes of Toney Douglas, Ray Felton, Ronnie Turiaf and Shawne Williams. And you have yet to comment on the offensive goodness of Jared Jeffries. I bet you'd pass to him and make him into Jerry West, wouldn't you?
And that horrible MDA year you're referencing when he averaged 3.6 apg, his cast included Tyson Chandler (you know the guy who shoots 68% from the field), Steve Novak, Stat, JR Smith 2, Shump and Jesus Lin.
Stick to fuhucking with BRIGGS
assists per 36
mreinman wrote:jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
It's fascinating that you are so good that you even know what Melo's dreams are. Tell me, when he was diving into chairs for loose balls and passing to the likes of Fishlips during the playoffs, what were his dreams then?
Melo can lead and be the alpha dog. Tough to be efficient when you've had the cast he's had. But look, when his cast improves, all of a sudden he's an efficient sniper. Funny how that works.
how did he average his most assists in a season on that horrible MDA year? How did Love average 4.5 assists on a terrible minny squad?
How do so many players who play on really bad teams still find a way to rack up assists?
And, if you played the game you would know that when the ball moves it makes everyone a better player. I have played with ball hogs and it can make good teammates look terrible since they are so out of rhythm and the alpha dog does not believe in them.
WTF are you talking about? If you could read, you'd know he averaged his most assists playing with AI (the 24ppg version), Andre Miller, Young JR, Boykins and Steve Blake, (the last three who all shot around 35% from 3).
And when you're playing the game with a bunch of dopey scrubs who can't do anything with the ball besides drop the pass, throw it out of bounds, dribble it off their feet or drive to the hole and throw it against the bottom of the backboard, what do you do then, Mr. Ball Movement? Rack up make believe assists? Chalk up your hero need to win to your brand-conscious ego problems?
We aren't talking about good teammates, we're talking about the likes of Toney Douglas, Ray Felton, Ronnie Turiaf and Shawne Williams. And you have yet to comment on the offensive goodness of Jared Jeffries. I bet you'd pass to him and make him into Jerry West, wouldn't you?
And that horrible MDA year you're referencing when he averaged 3.6 apg, his cast included Tyson Chandler (you know the guy who shoots 68% from the field), Steve Novak, Stat, JR Smith 2, Shump and Jesus Lin.
Stick to fuhucking with BRIGGS
assists per 36
weak
jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:jrodmc wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:you sound like a Melo apologist making excuses for all those first round exits nowfishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJonesfishmike wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo
Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo
don't think you are appreciating how good those denver teams were and how good the west was at that time.
Maybe I am overvaluing the current Knicks? But I think this squad is close MINUS Billups... We dont have an impact guard like that. Jose is playing well and a nice floor general and role player but there is a big gap there. Agree though... that Denver team I mentioned was the best he ever played on, no doubt and a very very good team. I dont know how good this Knick team is. Thrilled with the progress and style of play. Lets see where the win total ends up.
I don't blame melo for the first round exits. I blame him from being an inefficient post season player. Billups that year allowed melo to be a sniper while billups ran the show.
We always said that melo cant be the number 1 guy and he needs to be a 2 or a 3 because melo is melo but that is not true. This melo that I always pined for can certainly be a number 1. He needs to shoot better but now that he is passing, he should get better looks for himself as well.
Melo's dream was always to be olympic melo where guys set him up for good shots and he gets buckets. Olympic melo is great for all star teams.
It's fascinating that you are so good that you even know what Melo's dreams are. Tell me, when he was diving into chairs for loose balls and passing to the likes of Fishlips during the playoffs, what were his dreams then?
Melo can lead and be the alpha dog. Tough to be efficient when you've had the cast he's had. But look, when his cast improves, all of a sudden he's an efficient sniper. Funny how that works.
how did he average his most assists in a season on that horrible MDA year? How did Love average 4.5 assists on a terrible minny squad?
How do so many players who play on really bad teams still find a way to rack up assists?
And, if you played the game you would know that when the ball moves it makes everyone a better player. I have played with ball hogs and it can make good teammates look terrible since they are so out of rhythm and the alpha dog does not believe in them.
WTF are you talking about? If you could read, you'd know he averaged his most assists playing with AI (the 24ppg version), Andre Miller, Young JR, Boykins and Steve Blake, (the last three who all shot around 35% from 3).
And when you're playing the game with a bunch of dopey scrubs who can't do anything with the ball besides drop the pass, throw it out of bounds, dribble it off their feet or drive to the hole and throw it against the bottom of the backboard, what do you do then, Mr. Ball Movement? Rack up make believe assists? Chalk up your hero need to win to your brand-conscious ego problems?
We aren't talking about good teammates, we're talking about the likes of Toney Douglas, Ray Felton, Ronnie Turiaf and Shawne Williams. And you have yet to comment on the offensive goodness of Jared Jeffries. I bet you'd pass to him and make him into Jerry West, wouldn't you?
And that horrible MDA year you're referencing when he averaged 3.6 apg, his cast included Tyson Chandler (you know the guy who shoots 68% from the field), Steve Novak, Stat, JR Smith 2, Shump and Jesus Lin.
Stick to fuhucking with BRIGGS