Knicks · I hope the "trade Melo and make KP the focal point" crowd watched last night (page 12)
newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.Great post.I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.
One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?
What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.
Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.
By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.
Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.
Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.
TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well latelygunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...
Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the messI donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?
Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?
Not so much in this thread. It's something that carried over from another arguement a few days ago that Melo's is not doing anything different and the only difference is his teammates are better. Don't even remember which thread but It's there if you want to find it. page 2 maybe
newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.
One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?
What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.
Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.
By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.
Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.
Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.
Who said its KP's team? That was one person. Everyone else got lumped in and my name was included for some reason. But when you check my posts from December I've had nothing but positive things to say about Melo's awakening.
Are things getting clearer now for those who are wondering why this thread took a turn for the worse beside the bait in the title?
Anyone else have questions for me?
gunsnewing wrote:I have heard this claim but only as an accusation. Did someone actually say that Melo hasn't changed?TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well latelygunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...
Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the messI donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?
Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?Not so much in this thread. It's something that carried over from another arguement a few days ago that Melo's is not doing anything different and the only difference is his teammates are better. Don't even remember which thread but It's there if you want to find it. page 2 maybe
How this was missed by so many I can't understand. I realize a lot of people didn't read the whole thread and jumped in after things were derailed but I hope I helped cleared things up for you.
Any more questions for me?
CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I have heard this claim but only as an accusation. Did someone actually say that Melo hasn't changed?TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well latelygunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...
Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the messI donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?
Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?Not so much in this thread. It's something that carried over from another arguement a few days ago that Melo's is not doing anything different and the only difference is his teammates are better. Don't even remember which thread but It's there if you want to find it. page 2 maybe
I will find it when I get a chance. It's not really relevant to this thread though. I only brought it up after the usual suspects started slinging mud and baiting. I tried to use that example to defend the people who's name was dragged into this just because one person said this is KP's team and he would trade Melo even after his awakening
gunsnewing wrote:Crush let me try to refresh your memory anyway. I forgot which thread it was and what we were talking but Knixkix made that claim and you and others chimed in and go-signed itThat isn't accurate. Everything has changed. New coaching staff, new front office, new teammates etc., if you think guys are narrowing things down to one variable I think you are making a mistake. However, the teams around Melo up to this year have lacked talent and to deny that would be wrong in my opinion.
gunsnewing wrote:And just a reminder incase anyone forgot this thread was suggesting we lost a 1pt game only because KP struggled because Melo didn't play. Several of the usual suspects consigned this notion but when it was refuted and proven that Fisher was also to blame and Fisher himself took responsibility for playing only 8 guys on a back to back when KP clearly didn't have his legs as he shot 5-17 and missed a ton of dunks. That is why the usual suspects instead of admitting they were wrong or at least staying silent started with the mudslinging instead.How this was missed by so many I can't understand. I realize a lot of people didn't read the whole thread and jumped in after things were derailed but I hope I helped cleared things up for you.
Any more questions for me?
dude, see this is where I think you are taking things waaaayyy overboard. Too sensitive man. Here is the OP
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.
This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.
This thread is suggesting that Melo's presense on court helps KP. No more no less man. You want to take it further in your assumptions and suddenly it becomes a divide and etc.
gunsnewing wrote:So Teamball it was that coupled with the baiting and cheap shots that Newyorknewyork made reference to that started this whole thing. I won't name names but I already named one Jrodmc and his incoherent/unhinged/unfunny/non-sensical interjectionsAnyone else have questions for me?
I certainly see how the cheap shots can get to you. I don't support those. I just don't see where Melo is getting this preferential treatment by posters. Regarding the post you referenced about Knix, I would think it was more along the narrative that Melo needs better teammates around him. Alan Hahn said on one of the recent post games that Melo has always been a good and willing passer but he hasn't always had guys around him that can make shots. Of course, I have to see the post because I could be completely wrong.
StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:it doesnt matter anymore i just want to talk strictly hoops now.StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well latelygunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...
Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the messI donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?
Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?
Then why post that in the first place?
TeamBall wrote:i stand by it BUT im trying to take the high road by moving on. I dont feel like arguing or getting accused of being negative,a melo hater, etc...StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:it doesnt matter anymore i just want to talk strictly hoops now.StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well latelygunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...
Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the messI donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?
Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?
Then why post that in the first place?
martin wrote:gunsnewing wrote:And just a reminder incase anyone forgot this thread was suggesting we lost a 1pt game only because KP struggled because Melo didn't play. Several of the usual suspects consigned this notion but when it was refuted and proven that Fisher was also to blame and Fisher himself took responsibility for playing only 8 guys on a back to back when KP clearly didn't have his legs as he shot 5-17 and missed a ton of dunks. That is why the usual suspects instead of admitting they were wrong or at least staying silent started with the mudslinging instead.How this was missed by so many I can't understand. I realize a lot of people didn't read the whole thread and jumped in after things were derailed but I hope I helped cleared things up for you.
Any more questions for me?
dude, see this is where I think you are taking things waaaayyy overboard. Too sensitive man. Here is the OP
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.
This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.
This thread is suggesting that Melo's presense on court helps KP. No more no less man. You want to take it further in your assumptions and suddenly it becomes a divide and etc.
Maybe you missed it when I said his actual post is great. Everyone agreed with it. See the point you keep missing is that the body of the post is fine it's the title that set things off.
And the title alone isn't that bad. It's the stuff posts after it that turned the thread into a mudslinging contest.
Maybe Crzy was referring to the one person in question but he said "the Anti Melo crowd.
Now tell me who has been Anti Melo this year other than that one person?
gunsnewing wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.
One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?
What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.
Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.
By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.
Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.
Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.
Who said its KP's team? That was one person. Everyone else got lumped in and my name was included for some reason. But when you check my posts from December I've had nothing but positive things to say about Melo's awakening.
Are things getting clearer now for those who are wondering why this thread took a turn for the worse beside the bait in the title?
So let me ask, would you trade Melo for cap space and future picks and give KP the keys right now if you could?
newyorknewyork wrote:gunsnewing wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.
One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?
What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.
Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.
By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.
Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.
Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.
Who said its KP's team? That was one person. Everyone else got lumped in and my name was included for some reason. But when you check my posts from December I've had nothing but positive things to say about Melo's awakening.
Are things getting clearer now for those who are wondering why this thread took a turn for the worse beside the bait in the title?
So let me ask, would you trade Melo for cap space and future picks and give KP the keys right now if you could?
no way.
newyorknewyork wrote:gunsnewing wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.
One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?
What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.
Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.
By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.
Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.
Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.
Who said its KP's team? That was one person. Everyone else got lumped in and my name was included for some reason. But when you check my posts from December I've had nothing but positive things to say about Melo's awakening.
Are things getting clearer now for those who are wondering why this thread took a turn for the worse beside the bait in the title?
So let me ask, would you trade Melo for cap space and future picks and give KP the keys right now if you could?
Already answered on the previous page.
No.
gunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?
it's a fact that there's a group of posters on this forum that exhibit a mob mentality. not a fan of internet hysteria and cowardice.
dk7th wrote:i feel a similar way. You are forced to defend yourself by certain individualsgunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?it's a fact that there's a group of posters on this forum that exhibit a mob mentality. not a fan of internet hysteria and cowardice.