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nyknickzingis wrote:KP made a rookie mistake. He'll need time to learn how to not always foul. But he's an aggressive defender. I like that. We always love an aggressive player on offense, but the great defenders were aggressive on defense as well. Once the refs give him some love and respect, along with him improving his defensive IQ, he's going to be a heck of a defender. The Jazz crew were constantly talking about how tough it was for their perimeter guys to blow by him or shoot over him. Hayward was in a tough spot, and KP needed to stay low a little longer. Lots of video tape for him to watch and just experience to get past that.

Also thought KP deserves props for playing through an injury.

I'm amazed at how good the Knicks frontcourt is this year. Melo with 30, Lopez with 22, DWill with 18 and KP with 16. 86 points from the front court.

Our backcourt continues to be a weakness outside of Afflalo/Calderon. And in the case of Calderon when it comes time for us to match up with an athletic team, he's a major liability. We definitely would greatly benefit from a reliable guard who can knock down some shots or create some good offense.

This game got out of hand when the bench came in early in the 1st half and just couldn't score. It really killed momentum. Most of it was Grant and Galloway making some poor plays consecutively. I guess you could say not having Lance hurt, as Lance knocks down shots. However I really feel if we got a guard that could give us what Calderon/Afflalo do for the starters - only for the bench would go a long way for this team.

Well said!

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Crazy thing? Knicks are TWO GAMES behind the Pacers for the FIFTH SEED.

A number of the teams we never believed we could compete against for a playoff spot are showing some signs of instability and weakness.

Miami, Bulls, Pacers, Toronto, Atlata...none of these teams are elite. They are good, but no way they are great- and you get the feeling that we can compete with these guys.

Yeah, I feel like we could hang with any of those teams in a seven game series. I think Cleveland would still handle us, but any other team in the East I feel like we're right there or can be by the season's end.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I like the optimism. I think Calderon is our weak spot I don't mind him as a backup 2 but at PG it hurts the team.

we definetly need a pg, then we will be really set

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I like the optimism. I think Calderon is our weak spot I don't mind him as a backup 2 but at PG it hurts the team.

we definetly need a pg, then we will be really set

This is why I am full speed ahead on the Conley train. A PG that can score, distribute, penetrate AND defend? I think the Knicks would win 55 games next season if they added Conley and their younger guys continued to grow and improve.

crzymdups wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I like the optimism. I think Calderon is our weak spot I don't mind him as a backup 2 but at PG it hurts the team.

we definetly need a pg, then we will be really set

This is why I am full speed ahead on the Conley train. A PG that can score, distribute, penetrate AND defend? I think the Knicks would win 55 games next season if they added Conley and their younger guys continued to grow and improve.

im down with that

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I like the optimism. I think Calderon is our weak spot I don't mind him as a backup 2 but at PG it hurts the team.

we definetly need a pg, then we will be really set

This is why I am full speed ahead on the Conley train. A PG that can score, distribute, penetrate AND defend? I think the Knicks would win 55 games next season if they added Conley and their younger guys continued to grow and improve.

im down with that

I agree w the sentiment but just don't see Phil throwing down huge money at pg

And it's not crazy. Might be more value in a good, long, not sexy pv who can and hit an open shot

Biggest play of the game .. putting Lopez back on the court to start OT after Lopez and the 2nd-umit bench players started the 4th qtr. on a defensive-run to put us back into the game, plus DWill fighting for that offensive RB and then laying it up.
Scary WIN .. Clyde mention all our silly blunders during the game ...except

One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:1) Congrats to Melo for surpassing the great Larry Legend all-time in points. He was one of my favorite players growing up. Quite a feat.

2) Outstanding game from Rolo. He has been playing much better but his type of play tonight will earn him the contract we gave him. Such high energy from him.

3) With Lance out, D Will had his coming out party in this game with extended crunch time minutes finally earning a bigger role on this team.

4) We are a much better team when Gallo closes out games. Gallo plays solid defense, attacks the rim and makes clutch shots.

5) Melo playing his most efficient basketball of his career. The way he was finding teammates for 3's sniper style was amazing.

6) We're .500 bitches!

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crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

definitely worth reviewing. never thought about that.

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

Many teams don't foul there though - the Sixers let Melo get off a three in the same situation on Monday to take it to OT. Noel could've reached in and fouled Melo at any point and he didn't.

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

here is the choice... guard the 3, or guard against the putback on a missed FT. Thats really the choice. You foul you put the guy at the line. If he hits the first and misses the 2nd you are at risk of an easy lay in, tip in or kick out to tie or win the game. So many things can go wrong there. Also by fouling you are literally handing the other team a point and a chance to tie with a loose ball that is around your basket. The Knicks are a good defensive team and defend the 3 very well. I would prefer to defend that as well. Fouling to prevent the 3 is not foolproof.

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

here is the choice... guard the 3, or guard against the putback on a missed FT. Thats really the choice. You foul you put the guy at the line. If he hits the first and misses the 2nd you are at risk of an easy lay in, tip in or kick out to tie or win the game. So many things can go wrong there. Also by fouling you are literally handing the other team a point and a chance to tie with a loose ball that is around your basket. The Knicks are a good defensive team and defend the 3 very well. I would prefer to defend that as well. Fouling to prevent the 3 is not foolproof.

Didn't the Spurs lose a championship game 7 (might've been game 6) to the Heat on a missed FT late that got kicked out to Ray Allen for a game winning 3? You leave yourself open to a lot of things going wrong if they make the first FT and intentionally miss the second.

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

here is the choice... guard the 3, or guard against the putback on a missed FT. Thats really the choice. You foul you put the guy at the line. If he hits the first and misses the 2nd you are at risk of an easy lay in, tip in or kick out to tie or win the game. So many things can go wrong there. Also by fouling you are literally handing the other team a point and a chance to tie with a loose ball that is around your basket. The Knicks are a good defensive team and defend the 3 very well. I would prefer to defend that as well. Fouling to prevent the 3 is not foolproof.

And on top of possibly losing the game after a missed FT, fouling an 81.5% FT shooter is not a great bet anyway. Let him shoot the three. Much lower percentage, right?

crzymdups wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

Many teams don't foul there though - the Sixers let Melo get off a three in the same situation on Monday to take it to OT. Noel could've reached in and fouled Melo at any point and he didn't.

Agree. Not universal by any means. And KP certainly wishes he could have a re-do regardless. Should've never left his feet

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

here is the choice... guard the 3, or guard against the putback on a missed FT. Thats really the choice. You foul you put the guy at the line. If he hits the first and misses the 2nd you are at risk of an easy lay in, tip in or kick out to tie or win the game. So many things can go wrong there. Also by fouling you are literally handing the other team a point and a chance to tie with a loose ball that is around your basket. The Knicks are a good defensive team and defend the 3 very well. I would prefer to defend that as well. Fouling to prevent the 3 is not foolproof.

Agree w the logic of this as well (and at the risk of sounding like a sycophant I really respect ur and crzymadups posts) but this is the second time in recent games they have done what is clearly wrong and actually foul on the attempt. No debating they need to tighten up whatever their strategy is at the end

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

here is the choice... guard the 3, or guard against the putback on a missed FT. Thats really the choice. You foul you put the guy at the line. If he hits the first and misses the 2nd you are at risk of an easy lay in, tip in or kick out to tie or win the game. So many things can go wrong there. Also by fouling you are literally handing the other team a point and a chance to tie with a loose ball that is around your basket. The Knicks are a good defensive team and defend the 3 very well. I would prefer to defend that as well. Fouling to prevent the 3 is not foolproof.

How many times have you seen a miss on purpose and the offensive team rebounds it and actually scores? and if they do ALL that correctly, it is STILL tied. As compared to literally letting Melo shoot a 3 against the 76ers

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

great basketball post. People just see Sasha come in and the Fisher hate starts. I read one guy in this thread comment 4 times that KP's foul on Haywood was on Fisher (SMH). Very few teams and coaches foul there. I get the logic but dont really agree. You foul you hand the other team points and control of the ball. I understand why coaches hate doing that.

Great game. KP continues to develop and work through his rookie mistakes while playing good bal. DadMelo is a top 10 NBA player without question. The Knicks have a good defensive team. Our frontcourt is fantastic.. really elite with Melo/KP/Rolo and DWill/Lance off the bench. Obviously we need guard help.

Love watching Melo's battle with Haywood. Great game. Super exciting and entertaining. Knicks have some heart

Agree re great post

Not sure I agree about ur point on the foul. if you foul (eg w 2 secs) left and assuming not in the act of shooting worst case is a 2 shot foul. You're up by 3. Lots of coaches will defend the 3 pt line in a that instance to prevent the 3 pt attempt

Lt made the same mistake on a corner 3 a few games back. Regardless of whose fault it is (player or coach or both) needs some attention in practice

here is the choice... guard the 3, or guard against the putback on a missed FT. Thats really the choice. You foul you put the guy at the line. If he hits the first and misses the 2nd you are at risk of an easy lay in, tip in or kick out to tie or win the game. So many things can go wrong there. Also by fouling you are literally handing the other team a point and a chance to tie with a loose ball that is around your basket. The Knicks are a good defensive team and defend the 3 very well. I would prefer to defend that as well. Fouling to prevent the 3 is not foolproof.

And on top of possibly losing the game after a missed FT, fouling an 81.5% FT shooter is not a great bet anyway. Let him shoot the three. Much lower percentage, right?

nerds on the board will appreciate that shooting a free throw is like flipping a loaded coin. In pretty boy's case it's 80% heads. SO hitting three in a row is .8 * .8 * .8 = 51% compare that to let's say a good three attempt (being generous is 40% if wide open and a good shooter). Under pressure of the clock and some (but not too aggressive) defense and it's probably low 30s . So you definitely don't want to foul him in the act of shooting the three.

You can debate the odds of grabbing an offensive rebound if he misses one of his FTs, and the merits of committing a two shot foul.

Keep in mind in this instance they needed three to tie, not win. You can foul before the act and trust your rebounding and own FT shooting, or pressure the inbounds and the shot but don't foul in the act. Either approach is legitimate. But twice in recent games Knicks have been overzealous on the shooter. That's clearly bad and needs fixing

Frankly on that play i was talking to the TV and telling the team to watch the inbounds passer for the old fashioned give and go. I thought they defended it real, real well to the absolute last instant

I like Sasha's energy and effort on both ends... the problem is that he has put up some of the ugliest missed shots I have ever seen. I actually cringe when he takes an outside shot...almost seems like there is a 50% chance it doesn't even hit the rim.

Not sure what's going on...Is it a mental problem, or is his shot simply broken beyond repair?

Very frustrating because he could have been a valuable part of the rotation if he just had the streaky shooting game he used to have.