Knicks · Knicks 2016 Cap and all trades/FA ideas (page 4)

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I think it is past time to trade AA. I would try to work out a deal with Sacramento.

If it were me i would put every name we have besides Melo and KP on the block and see what kind of offers we could get for them. Yes i'd even put DW and my boy Lance out there even though i'd hate to see either go especially Lance. We have to remember that we're still in a rebuild and there's a very good chance that we lose guys like DW in the off season so i'm not sure i'd turn down a 1st round pick for him which we would absolutely get for him. We have no picks in this draft so it sure would be nice to be involved in this draft and get another nice young piece to keep building our future with. The only one besides Melo and KP that it would be really hard for me to trade would be Rolo unless we get a crazy good offer which with the way he's been playing i'm sure we'd get some really good offers for but again i'm not sure i'd trade him.

why would we get 1st rounder for dwil if he is a FA?

Because teams see him as a piece that could help them win this year or see him as the missing piece to get them deep in the playoffs or to make a championship run and he's actually not gonna be a free agent cause he has a opt out so who's to say he'll use it or that the team we trade him to couldn't re-sign him to a new contract. All sorts of things could happen but players that are in the final year of deals have been traded before for draft picks. Teams want to win now and if they feel there's a player that can help them win now then they'll do whatever to get that player.

maybe ... I guess anything is possible but I don't see it. I don't think that he is a missing piece (rental) for a playoff team.

He is rising and learning but he is fragile and not there yet. I would like to keep him and have phil convince him that this system is perfect for him and that is why he is succeeding here while he was a bust everywhere else.

So if you don't think he's a good piece for a playoff team then why do you want us to keep him?? If he's not someone that could do good things to help us in the playoffs then why should we want him??

because is we resign him I think that he can continue to build into a very good player.

Do we have any trade exemptions remaining?

BRIGGS wrote:Do we have any trade exemptions remaining?

Knicks were under the cap last summer. Exemptions disappear when that happens

I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

knickscity wrote:I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

the group we have is ok but not great. Basically we are a 500 team right now. KP will only get better so that would help increase our win total. We desperately need a good point guard

knickscity wrote:I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

I noticed last night watching the Nets that D J Augustine is not in okc top10 he only makes 3 mm for this year I was thinking if we had a trade exemp we could swap as okc is way over threshold maybe they give us a 2and we take the 3 mm salary nothing extreme but would really help the club today

knickscity wrote:I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

Since Phil has been here i've heard people on here saying he won't be able to trade certain players or some have said that he won't make any moves and he seems to trade those players or make those moves every time any way so i wouldn't count Phil out until the deadline has passed.

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

I noticed last night watching the Nets that D J Augustine is not in okc top10 he only makes 3 mm for this year I was thinking if we had a trade exemp we could swap as okc is way over threshold maybe they give us a 2and we take the 3 mm salary nothing extreme but would really help the club today

Yeah Briggs -- I'm thinking we will target guys like Augustine, S-Mack, etc around the deadline. Guys that may be getting limited or no minutes as 3rd string guards but who can still either penetrate or defend better than our guys.

In the event we can't land a Batum, Conley, DeRozan or Horford I would not be upset with Bazemore who I think fits the mold of being able to defend/knock down shots and add athleticism to the team without costing all our CAP space. Maybe you add a Bazemore and a mid-tier FA PG (I don't know) maybe a J-Lin, B-Jennings or on lesser deals M-Chalmers, M-Williams, N-Cole or DJ Augustine.

Let's say we added Bazemore/Lin -- that would be adding 2 legit rotation pieces to our mix without killing 2017 CAP space where we could target a franchise PG.

We'd improve defensively -- give kids like KP/Grant another year to develop and we'd get better next year assuming health.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Even if his values rises, I trust DWill to realize that he's got a home now. He's moved around, had many coaches and systems. Phil has identified a role for him, one that he can better and better at. All of Phil's great teams have had that ballhandling big forward come in. Lamar Odom for the Lakers. Kukoc for those Bulls. He can be in that role, and is given the freedom to do things in the Triangle and this team that he wouldn't in other situations.

If some idiot gives Williams 10 million per, you let him walk. However I think GM's and executives are weary of Williams. He has a track record. While his numbers and impact look good in NY, many won't see beyond his past. I would be surprised if Williams got contract offers in excess of 32 million/4 years. That's the absolute most I see him getting and even that's a stretch. I think 28 million over 4 years, or 22/3 keeps Williams in NY. Question is whether he is worth that investment. The way he has fit in and the way he has played, hard to argue against that. He's only 25 and has so much talent, you think that if he can add a 3 point shot, and keep working on his mental approach to the game, he can peak at 26-27 years old and be a heck of a 6th man.

On the other hand, Afflalo, I can't see get much more than the 8 million a year he is making. He's showing why. He's good on some nights, but not a star or a reliable 2nd or 3rd option. I think at best he gets 20 million/2 years. I think we can keep him at 20/2 or 24/3. I'd stick with a shorter contract because of age.

If say Williams takes 7 million of capspace and Afflalo 10, we still have enough left over to add a quality stater, or sign 2 quality players for the bench. Our biggest weakness is that we don't have players that can sustain a level once starters go out and we're too heavily realiant on old starters like Melo, Afflalo and Calderon. Some depth will go a long way for this team. And I really believe that there's only one way to getting back to the very top, that's draft picks and young players like Porzingis, Williams and Grant improving. We're getting almost nothing from Grant this year (Aside from 2 big games, there hasn't been much). KP's still a foul machine and needs a post game. DWill has to work on his 3 point shot. If we can get these 3 to work on their weaknesses over the summer and come back next season better, that's major value added without even making a change.

If this team had 2 more solid (Not even good or great) guards to work with, I honestly think we'd be top 4 in the East right now. We'd be about 4 wins better which put us at 26-20, and a 45-47 wins type of team. With a young KP and Grant still able to improve. I take this entire team plus 2 quality guards added with capspace next season and trust that they can do far better. If they don't, then I move Melo for longterm assets. It's all about getting to the top, and you won't get to the bottom spending 25 million a year on Batum or DeRozan caliber players.

So you see DW growing and becoming a great 6th man but you don't think GM's see that?? DW is playing himself into a bigger contract and i can't even get started with how many players got contracts that they weren't worth at the time.

I don't think he'd be given the freedom to do what he is in NY. He'd be silly to leave. And if he is, good for us, means we didn't have a player that was committed to the program and winning.

If you offer a player an upgraded salary, a pay raise, and they can go out and get far more than that elsewhere, I would wish that player good luck.

The Knicks are going to be a player in 2017 free agency as well. There's no way I want them blowing all their capspace or too much of it on guys like Derrick Williams, Afflalo or the like. We've got enough to be competitive so long as we have Melo, Porzingis and Lopez. Grant is on contract for a few years. If these guys want to leave, so be it. I'm not suggesting it's at all a good idea to invest major money in players that won't put you at that next level. If we invest major money, it needs to be on guys that put Porzingis and Melo in better situations on the court. Guys that can draw defensive attention or knock down shots playing off them. On defense, we need lockdown man defenders at the perimeter. I don't think anyone else is really worth investing significant money in. The core is there with Melo/Porzingis/Lopez and possibly Grant to be competitive. It's so important that the Knicks not do what the Knicks have always done in the Dolan era. Overpay and invest in players that are popular or look good on paper. Just fit in guys to your program, get them on good contracts. Like we did with Lopez. If guys can keep being brought in who both fit in and also have a solid/good contract, we'll be set for both the short run and longrun.

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

I noticed last night watching the Nets that D J Augustine is not in okc top10 he only makes 3 mm for this year I was thinking if we had a trade exemp we could swap as okc is way over threshold maybe they give us a 2and we take the 3 mm salary nothing extreme but would really help the club today

Well there goes E.Green. He signed a 10 day with Utah Jazz.

I guess that Phil didn't like him or he would have grabbed him already. It's going to be Wroten or home grown talent it looks like. Or a trade for Seraphin.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

I noticed last night watching the Nets that D J Augustine is not in okc top10 he only makes 3 mm for this year I was thinking if we had a trade exemp we could swap as okc is way over threshold maybe they give us a 2and we take the 3 mm salary nothing extreme but would really help the club today

Well there goes E.Green. He signed a 10 day with Utah Jazz.

The Jazz were rumored to be interested in Murry earlier in the year. Pompey, Philly.com, wrote a couple of paragraphs referencing Wroten's tweets and desire to be a knick.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:I don't see any noteworthy trades happening. This is the overall group that the team is going forward with, and it makes sense considering that overall the group has played well together and has won roughly what they should have.

PG definitely seems to be the area that needs improvement, but I cant say the team feels that way.

I noticed last night watching the Nets that D J Augustine is not in okc top10 he only makes 3 mm for this year I was thinking if we had a trade exemp we could swap as okc is way over threshold maybe they give us a 2and we take the 3 mm salary nothing extreme but would really help the club today

Well there goes E.Green. He signed a 10 day with Utah Jazz.

The Jazz were rumored to be interested in Murry earlier in the year. Pompey, Philly.com, wrote a couple of paragraphs referencing Wroten's tweets and desire to be a knick.

Can you find it and post it on here??

So many trade threads just wanted to see if we could condense it a little and put ideas in one thread?

DANIEL HACKETT , WHO THEY WORKED OUT BEFORE ANY WORD ON HIM BESIDES YOUTUBE STUFF?

yellowboy90 wrote:So many trade threads just wanted to see if we could condense it a little and put ideas in one thread?

Not a bad idea, but there are no Knicks games for the next 9 days and the trade deadline is 8 days away... so I guess what I'm is... GOOD LUCK!

crzymdups wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So many trade threads just wanted to see if we could condense it a little and put ideas in one thread?

Not a bad idea, but there are no Knicks games for the next 9 days and the trade deadline is 8 days away... so I guess what I'm is... GOOD LUCK!

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Call the rockets.

I will pose this to everyone:

What would you give up outside of KP and Melo to get Harden?

Calderone, grant, oquinn, early and a first round pick
Tony Allen and Mike Connelly.