Knicks · We just can't win with out melo...SMDH (page 3)

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

It's a given that you are ALWAYS looking to pass to the open teammate. Unless there's no time left for another pass! Failure to recognize that you have an extra defender and a wide open teammate is on the player. This is a ball and player movement offense so when a player forces a bad shot it's a failure of the player to execute cuz all they practice is READING the defense and making the right decision with the ball. That's the essence of the Triangle. Kobe used to break the offense and force up shots but since he's Kobe, he would make a lot of those bad shots. AA has to raise his game and look for his teammates more than he does.

Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

I looked and didn't see it on msg's site. If there is a link I would love to hear what he had to say. Especially if his comments were telling.

jrodmc wrote:

Gudris wrote:Its time for KP to take over leadership when Melo is out, Team should give him a taste how it is to be Nr1 option. I see no other player in Knicks who can do this besides Melo or KP

What exactly was stopping him from doing that last night? Honestly just asking.

Because he is a rookie and normally rookies dont ask for ball, but he is not an "normal" rookie, so i think someone on a team must tell him to not to play like rookie, maybe Melo or Fisher, or even the All team should ask him to start play like a pro. You can see in many episodes when he is not asking the ball to vets, because of respect, but he should be, especially if he is hot.

Gudris wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Gudris wrote:Its time for KP to take over leadership when Melo is out, Team should give him a taste how it is to be Nr1 option. I see no other player in Knicks who can do this besides Melo or KP

What exactly was stopping him from doing that last night? Honestly just asking.

Because he is a rookie and normally rookies dont ask for ball, but he is not an "normal" rookie, so i think someone on a team must tell him to not to play like rookie, maybe Melo or Fisher, or even the All team should ask him to start play like a pro. You can see in many episodes when he is not asking the ball to vets, because of respect, but he should be, especially if he is hot.

Honest question: is it possible that this aspect of his game may be the only part subject to the "2-3 years away" caveat from Phil? Or to put it another way, is there a risk in his development trying to make him "alpha" versus letting it develop more naturally?

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Gudris wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Gudris wrote:Its time for KP to take over leadership when Melo is out, Team should give him a taste how it is to be Nr1 option. I see no other player in Knicks who can do this besides Melo or KP

What exactly was stopping him from doing that last night? Honestly just asking.

Because he is a rookie and normally rookies dont ask for ball, but he is not an "normal" rookie, so i think someone on a team must tell him to not to play like rookie, maybe Melo or Fisher, or even the All team should ask him to start play like a pro. You can see in many episodes when he is not asking the ball to vets, because of respect, but he should be, especially if he is hot.

Honest question: is it possible that this aspect of his game may be the only part subject to the "2-3 years away" caveat from Phil? Or to put it another way, is there a risk in his development trying to make him "alpha" versus letting it develop more naturally?

its going to take awhile. There is culture there also. When you play in these pro leagues with men you dont demand anything, you play small minutes and better not phuck up. If you are very good you play more. KP's 11/4 in 18ish minutes at age 18-19 speaks volumes. Those Euro leagues dont pander to prospects

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

I looked and didn't see it on msg's site. If there is a link I would love to hear what he had to say. Especially if his comments were telling.

Apparently some got a less telling message from Fish. I would love a link to see what he had to say myself.

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Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

look at the post on page 2 of this thread. i posted it there.

Here is the link.
http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/kn...

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

They have Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka a solid bench with Waiters, Kanter. They are on pace to win over 50 games this yr. And are one of the contenders in the West. We played without one of our 2 best players while they had 2 superstars in the lineup. I understand the frustration of having that game won being up 4 pts with like a 1 min left. The fact that they competed with the likes of Durant and Westbrook shows strength not weakness.

Galloway dropped 21-5-3 and 4 threes.
Williams dropped 19-10-4
Thomas dropped 16-4-1-1-1
KP dropped 15-5-2-2

We had 6 players in double figures for pts. We shot 30fts collectively, 24ast-9Tos, 9stls, 7blks, 46fg% 47% from 3.

dk7th wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

look at the post on page 2 of this thread. i posted it there.

Just listened to it. The only part I found telling was Fisher's adverse reaction to a question from Berman. Even the other writers were laughing. He spoke about Afflalo around the 2:40 mark.

CrushAlot wrote:Here is the link.
http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/kn...

"arron is a guy that has closed for us before..."
when? i'd like to know how many instances has he single-handedly "closed" the game for us, because yesterday was the first instance that he really "closed" the door on us.

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

I looked and didn't see it on msg's site. If there is a link I would love to hear what he had to say. Especially if his comments were telling.

for those who have ears, yes.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

I looked and didn't see it on msg's site. If there is a link I would love to hear what he had to say. Especially if his comments were telling.

for those who have ears, yes.

Here is the question, 'What do you think of how the offense was down the stretch? It seemed like Aaron had a lot of looks late. Was that by design or just the best look for what you guys were running?'

Fish, 'Yeah a little of both. You know Aaron is a guy that has closed for us before. You know he is comfortable and confident in those situations. Some of them were by design and some of them were just in the flow of the game. Typically what you find is guys that are comfortable in that position, they find a way to get the ball because they want the opportunity to take that on their shoulders and he had some plays he couldn't quite finish but he had some decent looks at it."
Can you please clarify this now?

fisher's postgame comments were telling.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

I looked and didn't see it on msg's site. If there is a link I would love to hear what he had to say. Especially if his comments were telling.

for those who have ears, yes.

Here is the question, 'What do you think of how the offense was down the stretch? It seemed like Aaron had a lot of looks late. Was that by design or just the best look for what you guys were running?'

Fish, 'Yeah a little of both. You know Aaron is a guy that has closed for us before. You know he is comfortable and confident in those situations. Some of them were by design and some of them were just in the flow of the game. Typically what you find is guys that are comfortable in that position, they find a way to get the ball because they want the opportunity to take that on their shoulders and he had some plays he couldn't quite finish but he had some decent looks at it."
Can you please clarify this now?

fisher's postgame comments were telling.

please... you're starting to play games again. we have already heard fisher use this allusive reportage when it concerned melo not playing the right way. to his credit melo heard the message behind the scenes and changed his game accordingly.

fisher is essentially repeating this approach with the media concerning afflalo, so you can extrapolate from the precedent with melo that same issues are being dealt with regarding afflalo. the difference between melo and afflalo is the gulf of talent between the two.

hence it behooves fisher to reduce afflalo's minutes to a scrubbier level, say 24-27 minutes, essentially the same minutes as calderon, who is actually helping the knicks more than afflalo.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

man the unrealistic expectations are truly baffling. This was just an incredible game to me, showed me how far the Knicks have come from scratch last season and how far they still need to go all in 1 game.

Let me rephrase the gist of your post: Why can't the Knicks beat the 3rd best team in the league without their own best player? OKC has 2 of the best 5 guys on the planet, a solid all defensive PF/low level all star and a solid supporting cast. Why can't Fisher just out coach players who are afterthoughts for other teams and some barely above D-League'ish guys?

There is no doubt that some of the Knicks played over their collective heads, witness DWill hitting jumpers and LT going off after a long injury break and Grant finally showing up this season with an aggressive stance. But our guys just went head to head with another top level team not named GSW. Knicks make playoffs and they are the 1 team no one wants to play.

Just like the players, the coaches don't always make the right decisions, and in the clutch, fisher and his staff have been very suspect. They have to get better.

moral wins do nothing for your confidence. If that was melo on the ISO play that AA had last night against the thunder, he would have been crucified, and if Woodson was the coach, he would have been buried alive for his lack of creativity.

So MARTIN tell me how long will you continue to give Fisher and his staff excuse after excuse, these players phil brought in had options, the Knicks weren't the last available. We don't have other teams cast offs. We know galloway is capable of nights like he had, no suprise for anyone, so i don't know what d leaguers you speak of.

Did you not think LOPEZ (your better defender) and calderon (your better decision maker and shooter) not be on thE floor for your LAST DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE POSSESSION, THAT'S A COACH'S CALL, dude you know that. I'm talking reality, this isn't some off the wall see if can stick thing.

They have to get better with the rotation, it's the only thing IMO thats killing them

you're still under the assumption that afflalo's shot over two defenders from the corner was the play that was designed. no play is designed for one player to take a fadeaway over two defenders. afflalo had two opportunities to make the right play, which was to pass the ball to kp. he failed both times.

face it, the coach has no control over the weaknesses of his players. afflalo is not an nba starter and he proved why in no uncertain terms last night. fisher's postgame comments were telling.

can you please link me to the video showing this coz i am too lazy?

I looked and didn't see it on msg's site. If there is a link I would love to hear what he had to say. Especially if his comments were telling.

for those who have ears, yes.

Here is the question, 'What do you think of how the offense was down the stretch? It seemed like Aaron had a lot of looks late. Was that by design or just the best look for what you guys were running?'

Fish, 'Yeah a little of both. You know Aaron is a guy that has closed for us before. You know he is comfortable and confident in those situations. Some of them were by design and some of them were just in the flow of the game. Typically what you find is guys that are comfortable in that position, they find a way to get the ball because they want the opportunity to take that on their shoulders and he had some plays he couldn't quite finish but he had some decent looks at it."
Can you please clarify this now?

fisher's postgame comments were telling.

please... you're starting to play games again. we have already heard fisher use this allusive reportage when it concerned melo not playing the right way. to his credit melo heard the message behind the scenes and changed his game accordingly.

fisher is essentially repeating this approach with the media concerning afflalo, so you can extrapolate from the precedent with melo that same issues are being dealt with regarding afflalo. the difference between melo and afflalo is the gulf of talent between the two.

hence it behooves fisher to reduce afflalo's minutes to a scrubbier level, say 24-27 minutes, essentially the same minutes as calderon, who is actually helping the knicks more than afflalo.

I thought when you previously 'interpeted' Fisher's words you later said it was based on a deceiving tweet by Herring? If you want to say he is using sports cliches to not call out his player I could see that. But I am not sure where you are getting a minutes reduction in the future from those words. Also, not playing games. I am a big proponent of hearing what a player/coach says before I believe what is reported by the NY media.

I don't think Fisher is implying anything other than what he said in this case DK? I'm not seeing anything that's "Telling" in his words. His response is pretty straight forward

Wow, did I just read someone saying Melo is gulf's above AA in talent? Now?!?, today, even!?! That alone was worth reading this thread about mind reading a Fish!

The simple are made happy by simple things...

I recall Denver Nuggets coach Karl and PG Billups winning every game without Melo, then Melo wanted out.
I recall Knicks coach Dantoni and PG Lin Sanity winning 80% of games without Melo, both were dismissed.
I recall Knicks coach Woodson notice a very angry Melo when the Knicks were winning without Melo in the Lin Sanity fast transition rotation, so Woodson added JR.smith to take the majority of shots in the final quarter to lose every game that Melo didnt play in.
Whomever watched the Knicks vs OKC game notice several times in the final quarter how coach Fisher decision making were tanking the game. In over-time every-one of Fishers given plays after a time-out were a isolation play u would give to a super-star player like Lebron, Durant, or Paul George not to a 2nd tier SG Afflalo

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Thats sad, and I'm not taking anything away from melo, because i never was against him. Whats sad is that the supporting cast isn't as good as we would like to assume or, fisher is so reliant on melo to make him look remotely respectable.

AA is a nice pick up for the price, but he was shooting pretty bad for most of the night, and KP should have taken the last shot in regulation.

Calderon is one of our best shooters and passers, robin lopez is our best screener, and they actual won a game in the final seconds just a week ago. Yet both were on the bench and you draw up a AA ISO..wow

Ask any coach on the planet, and they will tell you, the last 5 minutes in a close game is where they earn their bread. Fisher has got to learn how and when to use calderone, grant, and Lopez, It is definitely costing us games.

We should not be 0-5 with out melo, or that's basically saying we would probably win 20 games, similar to last season. Which makes phil look like he didn't do much of nothing.

The bulls won 50+ games without jordan

They have Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka a solid bench with Waiters, Kanter. They are on pace to win over 50 games this yr. And are one of the contenders in the West. We played without one of our 2 best players while they had 2 superstars in the lineup. I understand the frustration of having that game won being up 4 pts with like a 1 min left. The fact that they competed with the likes of Durant and Westbrook shows strength not weakness.

Galloway dropped 21-5-3 and 4 threes.
Williams dropped 19-10-4
Thomas dropped 16-4-1-1-1
KP dropped 15-5-2-2

We had 6 players in double figures for pts. We shot 30fts collectively, 24ast-9Tos, 9stls, 7blks, 46fg% 47% from 3.

How do u beat OKC Durant/Westbrook scoring .. the Nets used 10 players on the same-page to outscore OKC for the win. The Knicks-players were on the same path as the Nets to get a win over OKC.
We had a tied score, coach Fisher gave the final shot in regulation to a player (Afflalo) who were 5-18 in fg shooting that night. Plus 9-33 from the field (3-9 from 3) in the last 3 games.
When all Fisher had to do was just put in Lopez for the final play to create spacing in the post and it would open up shots for everyone else.