Knicks · How about Robin Lopez to Boston for David Lee (page 2)
Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)really terrible mate
I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.
you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.
But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?
We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.
My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.
If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.
If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.
who what who said anything about G Dragic? I would NEVER pay him 18mm. I dont even want him at all.
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)really terrible mate
I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.
you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.
But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?
We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.
My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.
If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.
If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.who what who said anything about G Dragic? I would NEVER pay him 18mm. I dont even want him at all.
Your first post says "Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016."
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)really terrible mate
I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.
you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.
But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?
We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.
My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.
If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.
If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.who what who said anything about G Dragic? I would NEVER pay him 18mm. I dont even want him at all.
guessing he got it from the below quote, which is all you wrote to start this thread
BRIGGS wrote:Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016.
fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)really terrible mate
I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.
you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.
But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?
We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.
My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.
If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.
If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.who what who said anything about G Dragic? I would NEVER pay him 18mm. I dont even want him at all.
guessing he got it from the below quote, which is all you wrote to start this threadBRIGGS wrote:Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016.
I asked who Dragic was in the 2nd post in this entire thread.
newyorker4ever wrote:well clearly nobody listens to you. Duhfishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)really terrible mate
I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.
you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.
But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?
We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.
My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.
If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.
If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.who what who said anything about G Dragic? I would NEVER pay him 18mm. I dont even want him at all.
guessing he got it from the below quote, which is all you wrote to start this threadBRIGGS wrote:Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016.
I asked who Dragic was in the 2nd post in this entire thread.
RoLo is a sold defensive C who offers rim protection and does not need plays run for him. Additionally he is very effective slotted next to KP and is a glue guy who does all the things that "don't show up in the box score" yet nevertheless help the team win. He is also smack dab in the middle of his prime and while his salary may be a tad high (arguable) when the cap skyrockets next season that argument will no longer valid.
In my opinion it would be insane to trade him for a washed up David lee who couldn't even play defense during his peak years. This trade would be horrible even factoring in the late round picks (and I love draft picks).
RoLo for David Lee would be beyond horrendous. Wow
Categorizing by starter/backup label is getting old.
Players who can play multiple position on offense and defend multiple positions both on NBA level are those who will take majority of minutes. Are this players starting or not is irrelevant. They play 30+ min and finish the game.
Rolo in not this type. He is traditional role player and pretty good one at that.
With cap changes his compensation is a bargain.
he should be traded only if we have exceptional trade opportunity coming our way.
I cannot see anything of value around that can be done.
As boring as it is this is a fact to accept for any reasonable fan.
Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)really terrible mate
I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.
you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.
But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?
We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.
My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.
If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.
If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.who what who said anything about G Dragic? I would NEVER pay him 18mm. I dont even want him at all.
Your first post says "Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016."
Dragic on the Celtics????
great trade
mreinman wrote:zoran ... now I get it!great trade
Zoran Dragic playing for a Russian team called Khimki? So this is a 3 team trade between the Knicks, the Celtics, and Khimki?
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:zoran ... now I get it!great trade
Zoran Dragic playing for a Russian team called Khimki? So this is a 3 team trade between the Knicks, the Celtics, and Khimki?
yes.
I would also need 2 russian tanks and a molotov cocktail and of course a poster of Anna K.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:zoran ... now I get it!great trade
Zoran Dragic playing for a Russian team called Khimki? So this is a 3 team trade between the Knicks, the Celtics, and Khimki?yes.
I would also need 2 russian tanks and a molotov cocktail and of course a poster of Anna K.
hahaha. Maybe China can include Starbury too!
arkrud wrote:NBA is changing.
Categorizing by starter/backup label is getting old.
Players who can play multiple position on offense and defend multiple positions both on NBA level are those who will take majority of minutes. Are this players starting or not is irrelevant. They play 30+ min and finish the game.
Rolo in not this type. He is traditional role player and pretty good one at that.
With cap changes his compensation is a bargain.
he should be traded only if we have exceptional trade opportunity coming our way.
I cannot see anything of value around that can be done.
As boring as it is this is a fact to accept for any reasonable fan.
I think we find out over time that KP is a 5. Hes 7-3--he cant guard 3-4. KP at 5 gives us more options at 4 I think we can replace Ro Lo for MUCH cheaper. What the team needs with KP is guards--thats my .02
Ira wrote:What Briggs' trade would do would get rid of Lopez's horrendous contract. The guy I'd like in return for Lopez is Amir Johnson rather than Lee, though we'd have to add something of value to get him.
Something of value to GET Amir? What is he doing that you think he has value?
martin wrote:Ira wrote:What Briggs' trade would do would get rid of Lopez's horrendous contract. The guy I'd like in return for Lopez is Amir Johnson rather than Lee, though we'd have to add something of value to get him.Something of value to GET Amir? What is he doing that you think he has value?
Check the ESPN's +- for Power Forwards - Johnson is 6th in the league. Lopez is 57th among centers. Johnson is easily the better defender.
fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)really terrible mate
I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.
you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.
But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?
We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.
My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.
If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.
If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.who what who said anything about G Dragic? I would NEVER pay him 18mm. I dont even want him at all.
guessing he got it from the below quote, which is all you wrote to start this threadBRIGGS wrote:Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016.
LMAO what the hell is going on with this thread!
Ira wrote:martin wrote:Ira wrote:What Briggs' trade would do would get rid of Lopez's horrendous contract. The guy I'd like in return for Lopez is Amir Johnson rather than Lee, though we'd have to add something of value to get him.Something of value to GET Amir? What is he doing that you think he has value?
Check the ESPN's +- for Power Forwards - Johnson is 6th in the league. Lopez is 57th among centers. Johnson is easily the better defender.
Yeah but +- doesn't really give you a look into a player's worth. Amir ain't that good, just watched a full game of him.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:zoran ... now I get it!great trade
Zoran Dragic playing for a Russian team called Khimki? So this is a 3 team trade between the Knicks, the Celtics, and Khimki?
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:zoran ... now I get it!great trade
Zoran Dragic playing for a Russian team called Khimki? So this is a 3 team trade between the Knicks, the Celtics, and Khimki?yes.
I would also need 2 russian tanks and a molotov cocktail and of course a poster of Anna K.
hahaha. Maybe China can include Starbury too!
lol I was just gonna say that