Knicks · These are the types of players that will make material differnce the way the NBA is played (page 1)

Denzel Valentine

Grayson Allen

Kay Felder

You get guys who are ball movers who make plays with the dribble who can shoot it from 3 then all of a sudden the defense has to extend out to 30 feet leaving a guy like KP open in the middle 1-1.

I dont think we need guys like Carmelo and Ro Lo--we need KP at 5 surrounded by players who make us more mobile faster and much much harder to guard and have the ability to swarm on defense. The guard position--the guard position is where the NBA is at. Golden State out of their top 12 they have 7 guards. We have a great advantage going forward with KP at 5. We have WAY to many 6-8 players on this team--there is little diversity and that is the BIG reason why we are 23-28. I want to see us with the ability to score 110-113 points a game consistently--thats winning NBA basketball NOW.

Where would these guys fall in the draft? Could we get a second rounder to draft them?

I'm in favor of upgrades at the 1, 2, 3 positions on this team. I think Melo should be playing a lot of 4, as should DWill.

I think it's important to have a guy like Rolo in case you need him - GSW has Bogut who is very similar.

But it's about the rest of the roster. We need shooting and defense and the ability to create their own shot from our guards and we need some swing players at the 2/3.

If we're talking free agency, guys I would target who would fit this bill are:

Evan Turner
Kent Bazemore
Jordan Clarkson (RFA)

If we can't hit a home run in FA with a Mike Conley, I would try to get two of the guys above. I'd try to get out of the Afflalo deal - let him walk if he opts out, or else sign him for far less.

Rolo doesn't fit the way the game is played? I couldn't disagree more. There isn't one way the game is played. If you're playing well on both ends of the court, you're helping your team.

I agree about possibly trading Melo but because of his age, wear-and-tear, and contract, not because he doesn't fit the modern NBA.

crzymdups wrote:Where would these guys fall in the draft? Could we get a second rounder to draft them?

I'm in favor of upgrades at the 1, 2, 3 positions on this team. I think Melo should be playing a lot of 4, as should DWill.

I think it's important to have a guy like Rolo in case you need him - GSW has Bogut who is very similar.

But it's about the rest of the roster. We need shooting and defense and the ability to create their own shot from our guards and we need some swing players at the 2/3.

If we're talking free agency, guys I would target who would fit this bill are:

Evan Turner
Kent Bazemore
Jordan Clarkson (RFA)

If we can't hit a home run in FA with a Mike Conley, I would try to get two of the guys above. I'd try to get out of the Afflalo deal - let him walk if he opts out, or else sign him for far less.

I think that is what is lost on Briggs with Lopez. In today's game there will be nights you simply dont use him much, and he ends up with an 18min, 5 point, 6reb night and you get these threads that we should trade him for 2nd rounders.

Melo, LG, AA... they really sucked in that last Boston game, but Lopez kept us in it, and won us the last Boston game, and had we gotten a normal Melo performance (yes I blame his poor play for the Boston loss) we would have won those two Boston games because we had Lopez and they didnt... in this guard driven league. I actually love Lopez'z contract as great piece to have next 3 years. Lopez will be 30, KP will be 23 and you will know at the perfect time in his career the right player to put next to KP (Melo's deal will also be done same time)

Bonn1997 wrote:Rolo doesn't fit the way the game is played? I couldn't disagree more. There isn't one way the game is played. If you're playing well on both ends of the court, you're helping your team.

I agree about possibly trading Melo but because of his age, wear-and-tear, and contract, not because he doesn't fit the modern NBA.

wasting your time. He creates 10 threads a day with some rolo dig.

BRIGGS wrote:

Denzel Valentine

Grayson Allen

Kay Felder

You get guys who are ball movers who make plays with the dribble who can shoot it from 3 then all of a sudden the defense has to extend out to 30 feet leaving a guy like KP open in the middle 1-1.

I dont think we need guys like Carmelo and Ro Lo--we need KP at 5 surrounded by players who make us more mobile faster and much much harder to guard and have the ability to swarm on defense. The guard position--the guard position is where the NBA is at. Golden State out of their top 12 they have 7 guards. We have a great advantage going forward with KP at 5. We have WAY to many 6-8 players on this team--there is little diversity and that is the BIG reason why we are 23-28. I want to see us with the ability to score 110-113 points a game consistently--thats winning NBA basketball NOW.

Have you not been watching the games this season?? KP's post game/in the paint game needs a ton of work. He's getting banged around by the bigger PF's in the games and he's having problems backing anyone down and with getting backed down. Right now KP is a PF that can play some center depending on who's playing center for the other team. Now he is talking about coming into next season around 245 which he'll need every bit of to play center but that's still up in the air if he'll be able to get to that weight and if he does then he'll have to hold onto that weight during the season which has been difficult for him this year.

So you're always posting players that we should draft next year but we have no draft picks in the draft so would you care to share some of your ways of us getting any?? You don't just get them because you want them.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Where would these guys fall in the draft? Could we get a second rounder to draft them?

I'm in favor of upgrades at the 1, 2, 3 positions on this team. I think Melo should be playing a lot of 4, as should DWill.

I think it's important to have a guy like Rolo in case you need him - GSW has Bogut who is very similar.

But it's about the rest of the roster. We need shooting and defense and the ability to create their own shot from our guards and we need some swing players at the 2/3.

If we're talking free agency, guys I would target who would fit this bill are:

Evan Turner
Kent Bazemore
Jordan Clarkson (RFA)

If we can't hit a home run in FA with a Mike Conley, I would try to get two of the guys above. I'd try to get out of the Afflalo deal - let him walk if he opts out, or else sign him for far less.

I think that is what is lost on Briggs with Lopez. In today's game there will be nights you simply dont use him much, and he ends up with an 18min, 5 point, 6reb night and you get these threads that we should trade him for 2nd rounders.

Melo, LG, AA... they really sucked in that last Boston game, but Lopez kept us in it, and won us the last Boston game, and had we gotten a normal Melo performance (yes I blame his poor play for the Boston loss) we would have won those two Boston games because we had Lopez and they didnt... in this guard driven league. I actually love Lopez'z contract as great piece to have next 3 years. Lopez will be 30, KP will be 23 and you will know at the perfect time in his career the right player to put next to KP (Melo's deal will also be done same time)

After watching the team I do not think we can keep BOTH KP and Lopez in the starting line up. Its like baseball--you see the pitcher the second o r third time--you kind of measure him. Well I think teams have kind of got our gig. Right now Ro lo is playing BETTER than KP he simply is. But I view KP as the C of the next decade and that leaves me with the dilemma of Ro Lo--effective yes--replaceable yes. Whats his value right at this minute---very solid--if it can materially help me in the guard position by trading him--well you have to be a forward thinker. Who else holds strong value besides Ro Lo---well Carmelo but I guess hes here. So no one else.

i agree BRIGGS - with time KP should move to the 5. Rolo and the other big men were acquired cuz they didnt think KP is ready. he still isnt ready for the 5 and might not be next yr. but i dont think Rolo will play in NY for the remainder of his contract

callmened wrote:i agree BRIGGS - with time KP should move to the 5. Rolo and the other big men were acquired cuz they didnt think KP is ready. he still isnt ready for the 5 and might not be next yr. but i dont think Rolo will play in NY for the remainder of his contract

We can keep Ro Lo hes a good player but I dont see the team being successful on a long term basis with both guys playing 35 minutes. To slow. Anyone can put the player they like into this thread--but the theme is we need players who can go AROUND KP that make sense who play basketball a certain way that will ultimately make this a great team or NOT. Sorry Carmelo is not going to be part of it--not happening. So who can bring us back assets right now---you have Affalo Lopezz Carmelo--someones got to go. The next game Affalo has 28 points Id be on the phone trying to get a 1 and a 2 for him in 2016. I would also trade Carmelo but thats just my own thinking--hes just not a right fit.

BRIGGS wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree BRIGGS - with time KP should move to the 5. Rolo and the other big men were acquired cuz they didnt think KP is ready. he still isnt ready for the 5 and might not be next yr. but i dont think Rolo will play in NY for the remainder of his contract

We can keep Ro Lo hes a good player but I dont see the team being successful on a long term basis with both guys playing 35 minutes. To slow. Anyone can put the player they like into this thread--but the theme is we need players who can go AROUND KP that make sense who play basketball a certain way that will ultimately make this a great team or NOT. Sorry Carmelo is not going to be part of it--not happening. So who can bring us back assets right now---you have Affalo Lopezz Carmelo--someones got to go. The next game Affalo has 28 points Id be on the phone trying to get a 1 and a 2 for him in 2016. I would also trade Carmelo but thats just my own thinking--hes just not a right fit.

nobody is stupid enough to give up a #1 for AA.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree BRIGGS - with time KP should move to the 5. Rolo and the other big men were acquired cuz they didnt think KP is ready. he still isnt ready for the 5 and might not be next yr. but i dont think Rolo will play in NY for the remainder of his contract

We can keep Ro Lo hes a good player but I dont see the team being successful on a long term basis with both guys playing 35 minutes. To slow. Anyone can put the player they like into this thread--but the theme is we need players who can go AROUND KP that make sense who play basketball a certain way that will ultimately make this a great team or NOT. Sorry Carmelo is not going to be part of it--not happening. So who can bring us back assets right now---you have Affalo Lopezz Carmelo--someones got to go. The next game Affalo has 28 points Id be on the phone trying to get a 1 and a 2 for him in 2016. I would also trade Carmelo but thats just my own thinking--hes just not a right fit.

nobody is stupid enough to give up a #1 for AA.

The guy is a player who can get us a late 1

Hey Briggs, what is your opinion on Wade Baldwin from Vandy?

jullybully21 wrote:Hey Briggs, what is your opinion on Wade Baldwin from Vandy?

Hes smooth long for 6-3 he can play PG in the NBA under rated not on draft radars but hes also only a soph. Has a strange release but he makes his shots I dont anticipate hed be coming out. I think he can be a lottery pick in 2017.

There is a BUNCH of upperclassmen that are SEVERELY under rated on draft radars this year. I have Hammonds Felder Valentine all in my top 14. I have Hield 3.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Rolo doesn't fit the way the game is played? I couldn't disagree more. There isn't one way the game is played. If you're playing well on both ends of the court, you're helping your team.

I agree about possibly trading Melo but because of his age, wear-and-tear, and contract, not because he doesn't fit the modern NBA.

wasting your time. He creates 10 threads a day with some rolo dig.

ROLO is a constant reminder of how wrong Briggs was, so of course instead of being happy to be wrong since its great news for the Knicks, he creates endless threads about how better off we would be without him.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Rolo doesn't fit the way the game is played? I couldn't disagree more. There isn't one way the game is played. If you're playing well on both ends of the court, you're helping your team.

I agree about possibly trading Melo but because of his age, wear-and-tear, and contract, not because he doesn't fit the modern NBA.

wasting your time. He creates 10 threads a day with some rolo dig.

ROLO is a constant reminder of how wrong Briggs was, so of course instead of being happy to be wrong since its great news for the Knicks, he creates endless threads about how better off we would be without him.

Right now we should be playing Ro Lo 35+ minutes--hes our best player. His numbers at 35 minutes are worthy of playing him 35 minutes.