Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average
15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot.
I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.
If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.
What are your thoughts?
I am still awaiting someone to tell me why Nose is still a Knicks. Our back court has been bad since we acquired this dude. I venture to say that his mere presence on the roster is the main reason why we are as bad as we are. I don't know what Phil is thinking, the time has come to cut this dude if not traded by the deadline. Anyone can do better than Nose. Fredette or Wrotten or Murray
I'm with you. I haven't understood what they're waiting for with Fredette, either.
Before . . . there was possibly a prejudice on Fisher's part not to undermine the psychology of his point guards.
But now that Fisher (a PG himself) is gone . . . it looks like that prejudice in favor of Grant has been trashed.
Next: do the same with Calderon . . .
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average 15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot. I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.
If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.
What are your thoughts?
You lose defensively and offensively there is a reason Jimmer is in the D-League. Any team in the league could sign him and they have not. If the Knicks let Jose go and he could be paid what Jimmer would be paid - there would be plenty of takers.
OldFan wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average 15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot. I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.
If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.
What are your thoughts?
You lose defensively and offensively there is a reason Jimmer is in the D-League. Any team in the league could sign him and they have not. If the Knicks let Jose go and he could be paid what Jimmer would be paid - there would be plenty of takers.
This. Also, I have watched a few Westchester games and Jimmer is usually good for one of those Hardenesque highlights where he stands and does nothing as a guy goes by him to score. He might get a shot but he is available to all teams in the d l for a reason.
OldFan wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average 15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot. I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.
If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.
What are your thoughts?
You lose defensively and offensively there is a reason Jimmer is in the D-League. Any team in the league could sign him and they have not. If the Knicks let Jose go and he could be paid what Jimmer would be paid - there would be plenty of takers.
Yup...there have been other guards signed by other teams to 10 contracts...Jimmer got one from the Pelicans and did not stick.
Evans is down for NO right now...anyone think Jimmer will get called to replace him?
OldFan wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average 15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot. I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.
If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.
What are your thoughts?
You lose defensively and offensively there is a reason Jimmer is in the D-League. Any team in the league could sign him and they have not. If the Knicks let Jose go and he could be paid what Jimmer would be paid - there would be plenty of takers.
Respectfully disagree. No point guard can be worse defensively than Jose, IMO. And you gain offensively by default because Jimmer is an aggressive player always looking for his shot, whereas Jose is a reluctant shooter. Jimmer is more of a playmaker, too, because he puts pressure on the defense--something jose never does.
I would argue that there is no other team in the NBA that has such a glaring need for an upgrade at point guard than the Knicks. If given a 10 day by other teams, they would not play him as much. I am saying give him Jose's minutes and he would produce. That's the difference.
WaltLongmire wrote:OldFan wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average 15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot. I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.
If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.
What are your thoughts?
You lose defensively and offensively there is a reason Jimmer is in the D-League. Any team in the league could sign him and they have not. If the Knicks let Jose go and he could be paid what Jimmer would be paid - there would be plenty of takers.
Yup...there have been other guards signed by other teams to 10 contracts...Jimmer got one from the Pelicans and did not stick.
Evans is down for NO right now...anyone think Jimmer will get called to replace him?
Time to consider trading Nose to NO
SocraticBallin22 wrote:OldFan wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average 15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot. I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.
If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.
What are your thoughts?
You lose defensively and offensively there is a reason Jimmer is in the D-League. Any team in the league could sign him and they have not. If the Knicks let Jose go and he could be paid what Jimmer would be paid - there would be plenty of takers.
Respectfully disagree. No point guard can be worse defensively than Jose, IMO. And you gain offensively by default because Jimmer is an aggressive player always looking for his shot, whereas Jose is a reluctant shooter. Jimmer is more of a playmaker, too, because he puts pressure on the defense--something jose never does.
I would argue that there is no other team in the NBA that has such a glaring need for an upgrade at point guard than the Knicks. If given a 10 day by other teams, they would not play him as much. I am saying give him Jose's minutes and he would produce. That's the difference.
Fredette is a similar player to Lin. Both don't defend but can make shots
Stats by themselves apparently don't tell us what we want to know about Fredette.
So here's what I use to interpret them: When San Antonio had to cut Fredette, Popovich went out of his way to say that Fredette did what they wanted him to do . . . but there just wasn't room for him on their (championship-quality) roster.
Fact: Popovich has reputation for not BS-ing.
Fact: Popovich had no reason to BS in this case.
There would be less defense and less team leadership. Less system basketball. If he were generating wins in westchester than...
Malcolm wrote:Stats by themselves apparently don't tell us what we want to know about Fredette.So here's what I use to interpret them: When San Antonio had to cut Fredette, Popovich went out of his way to say that Fredette did what they wanted him to do . . . but there just wasn't room for him on their (championship-quality) roster.
Fact: Popovich has reputation for not BS-ing.
Fact: Popovich had no reason to BS in this case.
Doubt if Popovich would have said anything negative about a player who gave his all but did not measure up.
I can also be cynical and say that he was indicating that Jimmer was not "championship-quality."
If we pick him up and he contributes on both ends of the court...I'll be very happy- just believe that if he was worth it either the Knicks or another team would have picked him up.
Can Jimmer Ferdette run an nba offense? The question is not can Jimmer score. Yes Jimmer can score. He's not in the nba because he can't lead a team and run an offense.
Jose is old. If he made less he would not be here. He can however lead and run a nba team. Again he is old. I would not disrespect the guy just because of that. Yes he needs to go, but we have nobody good enough to flat out overtake him. That is why we aren't chillin in the 7-8 playoff spot right now.
WaltLongmire wrote:Malcolm wrote:Stats by themselves apparently don't tell us what we want to know about Fredette.So here's what I use to interpret them: When San Antonio had to cut Fredette, Popovich went out of his way to say that Fredette did what they wanted him to do . . . but there just wasn't room for him on their (championship-quality) roster.
Fact: Popovich has reputation for not BS-ing.
Fact: Popovich had no reason to BS in this case.
Doubt if Popovich would have said anything negative about a player who gave his all but did not measure up.
I can also be cynical and say that he was indicating that Jimmer was not "championship-quality."
If we pick him up and he contributes on both ends of the court...I'll be very happy- just believe that if he was worth it either the Knicks or another team would have picked him up.
He know people would do this and use his words to measure if a guy is a nba player or not. He did his best to assure him another nba job. If Pop said he wasn't ready or not what we were looking for he would be a high school coach right now somewhere
If Jimmer were given Jose's minutes I think people would start to realize that Jose does a pretty good job running this offense.
crzymdups wrote:If Jimmer were given Jose's minutes I think people would start to realize that Jose does a pretty good job running this offense.
Like Galloway starting while Jose was out wasn't enough
I just expect Jimmer to come in and score in bunches or sit. He needs to play long enough and be allowed to miss a few, BECAUSE, a scorer needs to shoot. If we defend as a team he can play. If not he won't be effective at all. I think he would do pretty well knowing this would be absolutely it for his chances. I'd rather get it over with and find out early.
I also think he would be one of the few players who if hot...Would wave off Melo.
Jimmer can't run the point like Jose...but he can really push the ball up court for early offense. Maybe, if he doesn't get something early...then we can let Melo handle if they are in together.
crzymdups wrote:If Jimmer were given Jose's minutes I think people would start to realize that Jose does a pretty good job running this offense.
I think Jose's ability to "run the offense" as an excuse for his putrid defense and non-existent scoring is a bit overstated and lame. In theory, the Triangle offense does not require a true point guard to initiate. In fact, it does not require a point guard at all, hence Ron Harper running the point with the Bulls who was clearly not a point guard (more of a small forward).
TAB wrote:I just expect Jimmer to come in and score in bunches or sit. He needs to play long enough and be allowed to miss a few, BECAUSE, a scorer needs to shoot. If we defend as a team he can play. If not he won't be effective at all. I think he would do pretty well knowing this would be absolutely it for his chances. I'd rather get it over with and find out early.I also think he would be one of the few players who if hot...Would wave off Melo.
Jimmer can't run the point like Jose...but he can really push the ball up court for early offense. Maybe, if he doesn't get something early...then we can let Melo handle if they are in together.
Bottom line is he would be A THREAT when he's out there. I'm sorry but Jose is NO THREAT. Jimmer would look to score any chance he got and push the ball. This, alone, would make us better.
EnySpree wrote:Can Jimmer Ferdette run an nba offense? The question is not can Jimmer score. Yes Jimmer can score. He's not in the nba because he can't lead a team and run an offense. Jose is old. If he made less he would not be here. He can however lead and run a nba team. Again he is old. I would not disrespect the guy just because of that. Yes he needs to go, but we have nobody good enough to flat out overtake him. That is why we aren't chillin in the 7-8 playoff spot right now.
Can Jose run an NBA offense? Please be honest
SocraticBallin22 wrote:crzymdups wrote:If Jimmer were given Jose's minutes I think people would start to realize that Jose does a pretty good job running this offense.
I think Jose's ability to "run the offense" as an excuse for his putrid defense and non-existent scoring is a bit overstated and lame. In theory, the Triangle offense does not require a true point guard to initiate. In fact, it does not require a point guard at all, hence Ron Harper running the point with the Bulls who was clearly not a point guard (more of a small forward).
Harper could run a team. You need a lead guard out there. I'm all for Jimmer getting a shot here but he's had plenty of shots and hasn't paned out. I'm not going to be happy with allowing Jimmer to come in and shoot when he wants. This is a team sport. He's 6'2 he needs to be able to lead out there. Direct traffic and initiate offense.
Btw Google Ron Harper. Dude was not a small fwd. He was a legit 2 way guard. 20/5/5... on the downside of his career playing with Jordan he was more than enough. Jose is playing with Affalo.
