Knicks · Choose a path forward from here. (page 1)

Other; keep Melo (we have no choice), sign the best coach available, keep Philangle-ing offensively and find some folks who can defend the effing three point line.

I don't understand what the crossroads is. We won 17 games last season, and we have dramatically improved. We won't make the playoffs, but are going to win at least twice the games we won last season. That is more progress than most teams can hope for year over year. Next year, the goal will be playoffs. The year after that, the goal will be deep playoff run. This is how things work. We were not going to transform overnight. Overhauling again is a waste. You stay the course, be happy that you are improving, and continue to build. No knee-jerk roster overhauls based on the last 10 games results. Before that we were a .500 team, one of the biggest surprise teams in the league. Now we came back down to earth a little bit, with injuries playing a big part in that. I think it is time to just relax and be realistic about what this team is compared to last season, and how far we have come.

I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

Jackson is Fisher-man part 2 without the "Mister Steal Yo Girl"-ing. All preacher man, no X and O's.

I still have some faith in Rambis to get things straightened out. I liked a lot of what I saw in his 1st game and I suspect when he has some practice time with the team he'll be able to really drill down on the areas that need to be tightened up. I like what he has in mind for KP and it already looked pretty good with only one practice.

If Phil can bring in any kind of guard help that could be just enough to get over the top. This team is not as far off as it might seem IMO. They can compete with other teams but not if we rely so much on Jose, Sasha, AA etc.

Knixkik wrote:I don't understand what the crossroads is. We won 17 games last season, and we have dramatically improved. We won't make the playoffs, but are going to win at least twice the games we won last season. That is more progress than most teams can hope for year over year. Next year, the goal will be playoffs. The year after that, the goal will be deep playoff run. This is how things work. We were not going to transform overnight. Overhauling again is a waste. You stay the course, be happy that you are improving, and continue to build. No knee-jerk roster overhauls based on the last 10 games results. Before that we were a .500 team, one of the biggest surprise teams in the league. Now we came back down to earth a little bit, with injuries playing a big part in that. I think it is time to just relax and be realistic about what this team is compared to last season, and how far we have come.

It's a crossroads because the Fisher firing is a major setback to the supposed culture Phil was trying to build here - both with high character individuals and with the Triangle.

It's a crossroads because no one really believes Rambis is the best coach to go forward with and we have to pick a new path forward.

If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.

The road is long, with many a winding turn......

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

Jackson is Fisher-man part 2 without the "Mister Steal Yo Girl"-ing. All preacher man, no X and O's.

What was his record with the warriors??

GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

FILLED WITH POT HOLES AND FORKS EVEN SOME SPOONS, BUT ITS HOW U NAVIGATE IT. I HONESTLY THINK WE WILL BE OK. IF DOLAN AND ISIAH WERE CONSPIRING MAYBE BUT PHIL DOESNT MAKE TO MANY HASTY HALF ASS DECISIONS

dacash wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

FILLED WITH POT HOLES AND FORKS EVEN SOME SPOONS, BUT ITS HOW U NAVIGATE IT. I HONESTLY THINK WE WILL BE OK. IF DOLAN AND ISIAH WERE CONSPIRING MAYBE BUT PHIL DOESNT MAKE TO MANY HASTY HALF ASS DECISIONS

That was beautiful.

GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

...That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where

But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there

For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy he's my brother

He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

Read more: Hollies - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother Lyrics | MetroLyrics

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.

I don't think Phil has any problem with Thibs. He just wants to give Rambis a shot and didn't want to suggest that he's actively looking for another head coach right this moment while Rambis is trying to prove he's the man for the job. I believe Phil would sit with Thibs if Rambis is a disaster.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.

I don't think Phil has any problem with Thibs. He just wants to give Rambis a shot and didn't want to suggest that he's actively looking for another head coach right this moment while Rambis is trying to prove he's the man for the job. I believe Phil would sit with Thibs if Rambis is a disaster.

Rambis's coaching record is 54-146 for a .270 winning percentage in 200 games coached.

Thibodeau's coaching record is 255-139 for .647 winning percentage in almost 400 games coached.

So basically if Rambis were to win his next 200 games in a row as a coach - he would not have as good a record as Thibodeau. Think about that for a second.

Slightly different situations, but one of the things touted about Phil's record is his winning percentage. So can he recognize a successful coach and see eye to eye. Hasn't Phil always emphasized defense? Thibs is one of the top defensive minds in the sport.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.

I don't think Phil has any problem with Thibs. He just wants to give Rambis a shot and didn't want to suggest that he's actively looking for another head coach right this moment while Rambis is trying to prove he's the man for the job. I believe Phil would sit with Thibs if Rambis is a disaster.

Rambis's coaching record is 54-146 for a .270 winning percentage in 200 games coached.

Thibodeau's coaching record is 255-139 for .647 winning percentage in almost 400 games coached.

So basically if Rambis were to win his next 200 games in a row as a coach - he would not have as good a record as Thibodeau. Think about that for a second.

Slightly different situations, but one of the things touted about Phil's record is his winning percentage. So can he recognize a successful coach and see eye to eye. Hasn't Phil always emphasized defense? Thibs is one of the top defensive minds in the sport.

Rambis had literally nothing to work with and I wouldn't base everything off his previous coaching record. We all know Thibs is a good coach but Rambis took over as Phil's Defensive Coach in 2008. They improved defensively and he won 2 Title's with Rambis as the defensive coach, so I wouldn't assume he can't coach defense as well.

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

...That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where

But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there

For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy he's my brother

He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

Read more: Hollies - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother Lyrics | MetroLyrics

My favorite version...

GustavBahler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

...That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where

But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there

For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy he's my brother

He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

Read more: Hollies - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother Lyrics | MetroLyrics

My favorite version...

Awesome

Choice D. Trade Melo and Calderon for either Rose and Portis OR Griffin and Stephenson, Hire Tibs. The other 3 way team Melo trade works as well as we would have credible backcourt that's young and OTTO.' With Melo out and the team younger without bad knees, Tibs could build a defensive squad and have an offensive coordinator to do the triable thing.

Yo fuck Conley that is all

Knicks1969 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

Jackson is Fisher-man part 2 without the "Mister Steal Yo Girl"-ing. All preacher man, no X and O's.

What was his record with the warriors??

Why not look at his situation the last few years then judge as to if you think THIS is the guy you want to replace Fish?

Why not look at your little dots, congratulate your yourself on your anti fish devotional coming to fruition and then look at the big picture of why Mark Jackson would not be a good fit for the Knicks. While you might not get all that is Phil (His shyt does go over most of our heads), its not a stretch of the human condition that guy trying to build a culture is embarrassed that he got hoodwinked and bamboozled by Fish's libido. While I do respect Jax rights to his religion that cannot accept people who cohabitate of the same gender, he bought that into the fray when he commented about Jason Collins. His boss, Mark Welt who is the President is gay. We not talking about Salt Lake City or OKC, we talking San Francisco! Wanna know another liberal city? NY. Public figures have a voice and head coach's represent the company they work for. MSG is a business. In NYC and most places dependent on ratings and selling sponserhips, evangelistic homophobe cheating with strippers head coach's is not a great sell. For some reason that might actually appeal to Dolan in his "Isiahistic" way of thinking, but not Phil.

Don't believe me?

Google "Mark Jackson scandal". Dude had an affair with a stripper who tried to extort him and his wife. Do I care? Nope. Does it speak to his character? It might not define him, but it starts to add up. His and his wife's ministry is in southern California.

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/...

So why not do yourself a favor and hitch your wagon to another horse. Mark Jax is not going to coach the knicks in the Phil Jax era.