Knicks · Knicks winners at trade deadline. (page 1)

B.Windhorst just said on espn that the Knicks were winners at the trade deadline not only because they didn't make any moves that would of hurt them by trading draft picks but because Memphis is clearly going to be rebuilding and he doesn't think M.Conley will want to stick around for a rebuild. So again.....is Conley that missing piece the Knicks need in the off Season??

simple answer is YES he is

Im glad we didnt trade any picks BUT i wouldnt say we are winners. At least last season we added a few 2nd rounders. We have zero picks this year

not a super fan

conley only for modest money and limited term

4 year deal means hes old and overpaid on the tail end -- our past problems

also he's not that long

Chandler wrote:not a super fan

conley only for modest money and limited term

4 year deal means hes old and overpaid on the tail end -- our past problems

also he's not that long

I really flop on this. I dont see him as being worth the money it will take to get him here. However he is a very very good player and I do believe he would move the needle drastically.

I think if we can get him we have to. Then your next goal is to find his replacement. Maybe it ends up being Grant. Maybe its someone else we draft or comes from another source. Even if Conley's play drops some during his contract he will still have good value. He's a 2-way PG who is good at everything. There will be options to move him if/when his replacement is ready to step in.

For example if Westbrook is serious about coming here I have no doubt we could move Conley to another team (everyone will have cap space making matching money a non issue).

Dont love the deal, but I would jump in. Gets us closer and barring injury is a moveable player

I am very happy that we not only didn't trade future assets such as picks, but also held onto Hernangomez. I think he's going to be a beast for us next year.

Conley would improve the team dramatically.

stanleybostitch wrote:I am very happy that we not only didn't trade future assets such as picks, but also held onto Hernangomez. I think he's going to be a beast for us next year.

I agree. He's got another year on the RealMadrid contract but I keep reading they know they are losing him, so perhaps the buyout is acceptable. Also he's KP's best buddy from that team. I like that. Chemistry.

stanleybostitch wrote:I am very happy that we not only didn't trade future assets such as picks, but also held onto Hernangomez. I think he's going to be a beast for us next year.

This. Also, how about Doc stepping up to take over Billy King's role. WTF was that first rounder included for to move an expiring contract for another expiring contract? I wonder if Phil should sign Nate Rob to a deal that has a team option for next year to see if Doc gives up something to get him back on draft night.

Knixkik wrote:Conley would improve the team dramatically.

he would. Only a fool would suggest otherwise. The trap to avoid is paying a guy what he is worth to YOU, rather than he is worth PERIOD. Knicks really need him... is he a max player? We really giving him what Melo is being paid? Yikes... but damn if we dont need him

Conley isn't a sexy name but it would be an upgrade. Now the real question is what other options are there that might be more appealing? Some guys are just too old or not even worth considering. I've put them in Brown. I've included all guards since really IMO we'll be in the market for both. Just looking over the list it's not a very inspiring selection but there are a few intriguing players. Conley is gonna be one of the top targets if you really look at the guys that are available.

PLAYER (58)     POS.    AGE     FROM    TO      2015 CAP HIT    STATUS
Andre Miller	PG	39	MIN	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Pablo Prigioni	PG	38	LAC	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Jason Terry	SG	38	HOU	TBD	$942,276	UFA
Mike Miller	SG	36	DEN	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Jamal Crawford	SG	35	LAC	TBD	$5,675,000	UFA
Kirk Hinrich	SG	35	ATL	TBD	$2,854,940	UFA
Steve Blake	PG	35	DET	TBD	$2,170,465	UFA
Dwyane Wade	SG	34	MIA	TBD	$20,000,000	UFA
Leandro Barbosa	SG	33	GSW	TBD	$2,500,000	UFA
Beno Udrih	PG	33	MIA	TBD	$2,170,465	UFA
Randy Foye	SG	32	OKC	TBD	$3,135,000	UFA
Ronnie Price	PG	32	PHX	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Marcelo Huertas	PG	32	LAL	TBD	$525,093	RFA
Raymond Felton	PG	31	DAL	TBD	$3,950,313	UFA
Aaron Brooks	PG	31	CHI	TBD	$2,250,000	UFA
Gary Neal	PG	31	WAS	TBD	$2,139,000	UFA
Sasha Vujacic	SG	31	NYK	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Courtney Lee	SG	30	CHA	TBD	$5,675,000	UFA
Jared Dudley	SG	30	WAS	TBD	$4,375,000	UFA
Brian Roberts	PG	30	POR	TBD	$2,854,940	UFA
Brandon Rush	SG	30	GSW	TBD	$1,270,964	UFA
Gerald Green	SG	30	MIA	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Rajon Rondo	PG	29	SAC	TBD	$9,500,000	UFA
Greivis Vasquez	PG	29	MIL	TBD	$6,600,000	UFA
Mario Chalmers	PG	29	MEM	TBD	$4,300,000	UFA
Ramon Sessions	PG	29	WAS	TBD	$2,170,465	UFA
Garrett Temple	SG	29	WAS	TBD	$1,100,602	UFA
Toney Douglas	PG	29	NOP	TBD	$924,987	UFA
Jordan Farmar	PG	29      LAC     TBD	-	        UFA
Mike Conley	PG	28	MEM	TBD	$9,588,426	UFA
O.J. Mayo	SG	28	MIL	TBD	$8,000,000	UFA
Gerald Henderson SG	28	POR	TBD	$6,000,000	UFA
D.J. Augustin	PG	28	DEN	TBD	$3,000,000	UFA
Donald Sloan	PG	28	BKN	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Marcus Thornton	SG	28	DET	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Eric Gordon	SG	27	NOP	TBD	$15,514,031	UFA
Norris Cole	PG	27	NOP	TBD	$3,036,927	UFA
Jerryd Bayless	PG	27	MIL	TBD	$3,000,000	UFA
Ishmael Smith	PG	27	PHI	TBD	$947,276	UFA
Brandon Jennings PG	26	ORL	TBD	$8,344,497	UFA
Kent Bazemore	SG	26	ATL	TBD	$2,000,000	UFA
E'Twaun Moore	SG	26	CHI	TBD	$1,015,421	UFA
Tim Frazier	PG	25	POR	TBD	$845,069	UFA
Dion Waiters	SG	24	OKC	TBD	$5,138,430	RFA
Jared Cunningham SG	24	ORL	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Ian Clark	SG	24	GSW	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Troy Daniels	SG	24	CHA	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Isaiah Canaan	PG	24	PHI	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Ray McCallum	PG	24	SAS	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Markel Brown	SG	24	BKN	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Langston Galloway PG	24	NYK	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Evan Fournier	SG	23	ORL	TBD	$2,288,204	RFA
P.J. Hairston	SG	23	MEM	TBD	$1,201,440	UFA
Jordan Clarkson	PG	23	LAL	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Bradley Beal	SG	22	WAS	TBD	$5,694,674	RFA
Sergey Karasev	SG	22	BKN	TBD	$1,599,840	RFA
Tyler Johnson	SG	22	MIA	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Tony Wroten Jr.	SG	22	PHI	TBD	-	        UFA

I would love to get Conley. I don't want to max him out, but I would go as high as 4yr/$80M. I think a max for him from a non-Grizzlies team is 4yr/$100M or more. Grizzlies can give him something insane like 5yr $130M. I highly doubt he leaves the Grizzlies, but who knows.

helloharv wrote:simple answer is YES he is

I like Conley, but I would much rather wait for Westbrook. Get a serviceable PG for next season and offer Westbrook a boat load of money the season after

I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

crzymdups wrote:I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

I don't think you have to look much further then Rondo's recent comments to get a read on how guards view playing in the triangle. Knicks are going to have a hard time signing UFA's and should probably look to buy a late 1st and early 2nd rd pick to solve their guard depth problems. Guards in that range will have their flaws (like they can't shoot), but we will probably need to build a PG from within. I am definitely not giving up on Grant, we really need him to take the next step. I am looking forward to the 2017 draft. Knicks should maintain their cap flexibility and spend a few years building through the draft. If Melo wants to stick around for that, well then good on ya' bro.

Rookie wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

I don't think you have to look much further then Rondo's recent comments to get a read on how guards view playing in the triangle. Knicks are going to have a hard time signing UFA's and should probably look to buy a late 1st and early 2nd rd pick to solve their guard depth problems. Guards in that range will have their flaws (like they can't shoot), but we will probably need to build a PG from within. I am definitely not giving up on Grant, we really need him to take the next step. I am looking forward to the 2017 draft. Knicks should maintain their cap flexibility and spend a few years building through the draft. If Melo wants to stick around for that, well then good on ya' bro.

Rondo hates systems, he wants to be free-wheeling. Conley has played in a system with the Grizzlies. I think it'll be greatly dependent on the guard and their individual personality. I think it is sort of nuts to put Rondo and Conley in the same box as people. They're wildly different personalities.

crzymdups wrote:I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

are you saying melo is a big attraction to free agents? Im not saying you are wrong but im just wondering why that wasnt the case this past summer

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

are you saying melo is a big attraction to free agents? Im not saying you are wrong but im just wondering why that wasnt the case this past summer

Seems like Rolo and Afflalo wanted to play with Melo.

Which free agent was out there last summer that you would've wanted?

Taking out of the equation the ridiculous RFA's people thought we had a chance at (we didn't have a chance at any RFA, as Orlando demonstrated - even if you don't want the guy like Tobias Harris, you sign him and trade him for assets later) - there was no chance Draymond Green was coming here as an RFA off a championship as some people here suggested. Or that Chicago would let Jimmy Butler go, as some people here suggested.

crzymdups wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

are you saying melo is a big attraction to free agents? Im not saying you are wrong but im just wondering why that wasnt the case this past summer

Seems like Rolo and Afflalo wanted to play with Melo.

Which free agent was out there last summer that you would've wanted?

Taking out of the equation the ridiculous RFA's people thought we had a chance at (we didn't have a chance at any RFA, as Orlando demonstrated - even if you don't want the guy like Tobias Harris, you sign him and trade him for assets later) - there was no chance Draymond Green was coming here as an RFA off a championship as some people here suggested. Or that Chicago would let Jimmy Butler go, as some people here suggested.

Porzingis is the bigger attraction IMO.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

are you saying melo is a big attraction to free agents? Im not saying you are wrong but im just wondering why that wasnt the case this past summer

Seems like Rolo and Afflalo wanted to play with Melo.

Which free agent was out there last summer that you would've wanted?

Taking out of the equation the ridiculous RFA's people thought we had a chance at (we didn't have a chance at any RFA, as Orlando demonstrated - even if you don't want the guy like Tobias Harris, you sign him and trade him for assets later) - there was no chance Draymond Green was coming here as an RFA off a championship as some people here suggested. Or that Chicago would let Jimmy Butler go, as some people here suggested.

Porzingis is the bigger attraction IMO.

Agree completely. But Melo playing well and sharing the ball is also an attraction.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I wonder how people would feel about Melo staying around if the Knicks were to somehow add Conley this summer and Durant the next?

are you saying melo is a big attraction to free agents? Im not saying you are wrong but im just wondering why that wasnt the case this past summer

The cba is set up for stars to stay with their teams. The Knicks did have second tier type free agents say they wanted to come here. I don't think that happens last summer without Melo. No one knew Kristaps would be this good this soon.