ChuckBuck wrote:fishmike wrote:
Imagine if the Knicks win the lottery? Could be looking at a future of KP/Simmons. Wow. Perspective 
What lottery pick are you speaking of? Our 2016 first round pick belongs to Toronto courtesy of this guy.
The right to swap is in Denver as well. We traded the damn pick twice. Most people wouldnt care if the season blew up and we had the pick. The disaster is that we don't. If the Knicks don't tank away next season they have no shot at ever being a good team.
Jmpasq wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:fishmike wrote:
Imagine if the Knicks win the lottery? Could be looking at a future of KP/Simmons. Wow. Perspective
What lottery pick are you speaking of? Our 2016 first round pick belongs to Toronto courtesy of this guy.
The right to swap is in Denver.
Wrong. Toronto not Denver has this pick because Denver's own pick is more favorable:
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/bas...
ChuckBuck wrote:Jmpasq wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:fishmike wrote:
Imagine if the Knicks win the lottery? Could be looking at a future of KP/Simmons. Wow. Perspective
What lottery pick are you speaking of? Our 2016 first round pick belongs to Toronto courtesy of this guy.
The right to swap is in Denver.
Wrong. Toronto not Denver has this pick because Denver's own pick is more favorable:
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/bas...
No you're the one that is wrong. How is it more favorable when the lottery hasn't been done. If the Knicks win the lottery Denver keeps the pick and sends the lower pick to Toronto. Denver keeps whatever pick is higher after the lottery, their own or the Knicks.
Jmpasq wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Jmpasq wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:fishmike wrote:
Imagine if the Knicks win the lottery? Could be looking at a future of KP/Simmons. Wow. Perspective
What lottery pick are you speaking of? Our 2016 first round pick belongs to Toronto courtesy of this guy.
The right to swap is in Denver.
Wrong. Toronto not Denver has this pick because Denver's own pick is more favorable:
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/bas...
No your the one that is wrong. How is it more favorable when the lottery hasn't been done. If the Knicks win the lottery Denver keeps the pick and sends the lower pick to Toronto. Denver keeps whatever pick is higher after the lottery, their own or the Knicks.
It's close due the Knicks current suckage. Currently Denver has more ping pong balls, but that could flip flop quickly if the Knicks slide continues.
As of right now, today, odds are that Denver would have the higher draft pick, thus would not exercise their swap option.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:MS wrote:The embarrassing reality of the NBA is that a large majority of the GM's have no fucking idea what they are doing. Melo, isn't perfect, but he is taking a lot of heat for no reason. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but Amare really is the reason this team never excelled and fans always gave the guy a pass. He could have waited till the offseason, but that's Dolan's fault.Embarrassing mistakes
1. Picking up Billups option only to buy him out months later
2. Giving Steve Novak a 4 year 16MM deal
3. Trading a first round pick for Andrea
Had the Knicks not panicked and brought in chandler they would have actually maintained flexibility to buy out Amare and give Melo some real help here. His best teammate was probably JR Smith in his tenure here. That's not Westbrook, Parker/Leonard/Manu, Deandre/CP3, Wade/Bosh, so why is everyone so quick to jump on him. Most teams are bringing out 2/3 all stars that are in the playoffs.
Phil, made a very tough move in the Chandler deal. everyone wanted to talk about his value being down, but Caledron is one of the worst guards in the entire league and he added 3.5MM of salary this year and $7.5MM next year. Those are valuable dollars that could have been spent on someone that can actually contribute.
How many guys are averaging 21.6pts 8rbs 4.2assists.
well people blame Melo for that also. Who were the FAs Ewing attracted? Melo is blamed for the bad trade that brought him here. Melo is blamed for the poor moves management has made since he's been here and if we *do* trade him for a player and a couple picks and we stink for 3-4 more years he will be blamed for setting the franchise back (our own Gunsnewing has already mentioned Melo has set us back 5-10 years).
the only blame that melo should get is not playing more team ball before this season. Blaming him for anything else is silly.
defense also... but again, he's Melo not Lebron.
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:MS wrote:The embarrassing reality of the NBA is that a large majority of the GM's have no fucking idea what they are doing. Melo, isn't perfect, but he is taking a lot of heat for no reason. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but Amare really is the reason this team never excelled and fans always gave the guy a pass. He could have waited till the offseason, but that's Dolan's fault.Embarrassing mistakes
1. Picking up Billups option only to buy him out months later
2. Giving Steve Novak a 4 year 16MM deal
3. Trading a first round pick for Andrea
Had the Knicks not panicked and brought in chandler they would have actually maintained flexibility to buy out Amare and give Melo some real help here. His best teammate was probably JR Smith in his tenure here. That's not Westbrook, Parker/Leonard/Manu, Deandre/CP3, Wade/Bosh, so why is everyone so quick to jump on him. Most teams are bringing out 2/3 all stars that are in the playoffs.
Phil, made a very tough move in the Chandler deal. everyone wanted to talk about his value being down, but Caledron is one of the worst guards in the entire league and he added 3.5MM of salary this year and $7.5MM next year. Those are valuable dollars that could have been spent on someone that can actually contribute.
How many guys are averaging 21.6pts 8rbs 4.2assists.
well people blame Melo for that also. Who were the FAs Ewing attracted? Melo is blamed for the bad trade that brought him here. Melo is blamed for the poor moves management has made since he's been here and if we *do* trade him for a player and a couple picks and we stink for 3-4 more years he will be blamed for setting the franchise back (our own Gunsnewing has already mentioned Melo has set us back 5-10 years).
the only blame that melo should get is not playing more team ball before this season. Blaming him for anything else is silly.
defense also... but again, he's Melo not Lebron.
To me, any blame on Melo is just nit-picking. He's a flawed star, but played like a star here nonetheless over the years.
Knixkik wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:MS wrote:The embarrassing reality of the NBA is that a large majority of the GM's have no fucking idea what they are doing. Melo, isn't perfect, but he is taking a lot of heat for no reason. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but Amare really is the reason this team never excelled and fans always gave the guy a pass. He could have waited till the offseason, but that's Dolan's fault.Embarrassing mistakes
1. Picking up Billups option only to buy him out months later
2. Giving Steve Novak a 4 year 16MM deal
3. Trading a first round pick for Andrea
Had the Knicks not panicked and brought in chandler they would have actually maintained flexibility to buy out Amare and give Melo some real help here. His best teammate was probably JR Smith in his tenure here. That's not Westbrook, Parker/Leonard/Manu, Deandre/CP3, Wade/Bosh, so why is everyone so quick to jump on him. Most teams are bringing out 2/3 all stars that are in the playoffs.
Phil, made a very tough move in the Chandler deal. everyone wanted to talk about his value being down, but Caledron is one of the worst guards in the entire league and he added 3.5MM of salary this year and $7.5MM next year. Those are valuable dollars that could have been spent on someone that can actually contribute.
How many guys are averaging 21.6pts 8rbs 4.2assists.
well people blame Melo for that also. Who were the FAs Ewing attracted? Melo is blamed for the bad trade that brought him here. Melo is blamed for the poor moves management has made since he's been here and if we *do* trade him for a player and a couple picks and we stink for 3-4 more years he will be blamed for setting the franchise back (our own Gunsnewing has already mentioned Melo has set us back 5-10 years).
the only blame that melo should get is not playing more team ball before this season. Blaming him for anything else is silly.
defense also... but again, he's Melo not Lebron.
To me, any blame on Melo is just nit-picking. He's a flawed star, but played like a star here nonetheless over the years.
+1
Maybe Melo should be blamed for this too:
2009-10 29-53, .354 No playoffs
2008-09 32-50, .390 No playoffs
2007-08 23-59, .280 No playoffs
2006-07 33-49, .402 No playoffs
2005-06 23-59, .280 No playoffs
