Knicks · Hoopshype 2016 free agent list (page 1)
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I'm looking at Evan Fournier. He's a fundamentally sound European player. I think he would love it here. He's restricted but I don't think Orlando resigns him with all the shooting guards and small fwd they already have.
Grievis Vasquez is another. He's basically a younger taller version of Calderón. That is a good thing. He's coming off injury and would be really cheap.
Comb the list and come up with something other than bashing the guys I picked
Another site that you can use to track FAs
Wow. those lists are very sobering
Batum and perhaps Barnes head my list as perhaps attainable and would really contribute (KD would be my dream -- but likely to remain a fantasy). Of the two I prefer Batum because of his passing
A bit of a wild card is Evan Turner. Playing well recently with Boston and could perhaps thrive in a triangle (not an outside shooter, can pass and slash). I know someone, who knows someone, though, who said his teammates at Ohio STate absolutely hated him. Not sure if he's still a prima donna head case. Also with all of Boston's young players and draft picks i can't seem them plunking down $$$ to keep him
PG is so, so weak. Honestly, when you look at this list, you have to give Phil credit for getting Grant. He's better than a lot of the FAs and shows the importance of developing talent especially at pg. I am not a Conley fan because of his age, length, and his likely big contract. Something like his current contract i'm ok, but we'll still complain on the tail end of the deal.
Perhaps we use a similar strategy to this year, and go for a short term, cheaper deal: Sessions, Sloan or Neal. My primary goal would be to stop the penetration
PLAYER POS. AGE YOE FROM TO 2015 CAP HIT STATUS
Mike Conley PG 28 8 MEM TBD $9,588,426 UFA
Rajon Rondo PG 30 9 SAC TBD $9,500,000 UFA
Brandon Jennings PG 26 6 ORL TBD $8,344,497 UFA
Greivis Vasquez PG 29 5 MIL TBD $6,600,000 UFA
Mario Chalmers PG 29 7 MEM TBD $4,300,000 UFA
Raymond Felton PG 31 10 DAL TBD $3,950,313 UFA
Norris Cole PG 27 4 NOP TBD $3,036,927 UFA
Jerryd Bayless PG 27 7 MIL TBD $3,000,000 UFA
D.J. Augustin PG 28 7 DEN TBD $3,000,000 UFA
Brian Roberts PG 30 3 POR TBD $2,854,940 UFA
Aaron Brooks PG 31 7 CHI TBD $2,250,000 UFA
Steve Blake PG 35 12 DET TBD $2,170,465 UFA
Ramon Sessions PG 29 8 WAS TBD $2,170,465 UFA
Beno Udrih PG 33 11 MIA TBD $2,170,465 UFA
Gary Neal PG 31 5 WAS TBD $2,139,000 UFA
Ishmael Smith PG 27 5 PHI TBD $947,276 UFA
Ronnie Price PG 32 10 PHX TBD $947,276 UFA
Pablo Prigioni PG 38 3 LAC TBD $947,276 UFA
Donald Sloan PG 28 4 BKN TBD $947,276 UFA
Isaiah Canaan PG 24 2 PHI TBD $947,276 RFA
Andre Miller PG 39 16 MIN TBD $947,276 UFA
Ray McCallum PG 24 2 SAS TBD $947,276 RFA
Toney Douglas PG 29 6 NOP TBD $924,987 UFA
Jordan Clarkson PG 23 1 LAL TBD $845,059 RFA
Langston Galloway PG 24 1 NYK TBD $845,059 RFA
Marcelo Huertas PG 32 LAL TBD $525,093 RFAPLAYER POS. AGE YOE FROM TO 2015 CAP HIT STATUS
Dwyane Wade SG 34 12 MIA TBD $20,000,000 UFA
Eric Gordon SG 27 7 NOP TBD $15,514,031 UFA
O.J. Mayo SG 28 7 MIL TBD $8,000,000 UFA
Gerald Henderson SG 28 6 POR TBD $6,000,000 UFA
Bradley Beal SG 22 3 WAS TBD $5,694,674 RFA
Jamal Crawford SG 35 15 LAC TBD $5,675,000 UFA
Courtney Lee SG 30 7 CHA TBD $5,675,000 UFA
Dion Waiters SG 24 3 OKC TBD $5,138,430 RFA
Jared Dudley SG 30 8 WAS TBD $4,375,000 UFA
Randy Foye SG 32 9 OKC TBD $3,135,000 UFA
Kirk Hinrich SG 35 12 ATL TBD $2,993,489 UFA
Leandro Barbosa SG 33 12 GSW TBD $2,500,000 UFA
Evan Fournier SG 23 3 ORL TBD $2,288,204 RFA
Kent Bazemore SG 26 3 ATL TBD $2,000,000 UFA
Sergey Karasev SG 22 2 BKN TBD $1,599,840 RFA
Brandon Rush SG 30 7 GSW TBD $1,270,964 UFA
P.J. Hairston SG 23 1 MEM TBD $1,201,440 UFA
Garrett Temple SG 29 5 WAS TBD $1,100,602 UFA
E'Twaun Moore SG 26 4 CHI TBD $1,015,421 UFA
Gerald Green SG 30 8 MIA TBD $947,276 UFA
Sasha Vujacic SG 31 8 NYK TBD $947,276 UFA
Ian Clark SG 24 2 GSW TBD $947,276 RFA
Troy Daniels SG 24 2 CHA TBD $947,276 RFA
Marcus Thornton SG 28 6 HOU TBD $947,276 UFA
Mike Miller SG 36 15 DEN TBD $947,276 UFA
Jason Terry SG 38 16 HOU TBD $942,276 UFA
Markel Brown SG 24 1 BKN TBD $845,059 RFA
Tyler Johnson SG 22 1 MIA TBD $845,059 RFA
Tony Wroten Jr. SG 22 3 PHI TBD - UFA
Chandler wrote:Good thread, and thanks for the linksWow. those lists are very sobering
Batum and perhaps Barnes head my list as perhaps attainable and would really contribute (KD would be my dream -- but likely to remain a fantasy). Of the two I prefer Batum because of his passingA bit of a wild card is Evan Turner. Playing well recently with Boston and could perhaps thrive in a triangle (not an outside shooter, can pass and slash). I know someone, who knows someone, though, who said his teammates at Ohio STate absolutely hated him. Not sure if he's still a prima donna head case. Also with all of Boston's young players and draft picks i can't seem them plunking down $$$ to keep him
PG is so, so weak. Honestly, when you look at this list, you have to give Phil credit for getting Grant. He's better than a lot of the FAs and shows the importance of developing talent especially at pg. I am not a Conley fan because of his age, length, and his likely big contract. Something like his current contract i'm ok, but we'll still complain on the tail end of the deal.
Perhaps we use a similar strategy to this year, and go for a short term, cheaper deal: Sessions, Sloan or Neal. My primary goal would be to stop the penetration
Barnes?
martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Good thread, and thanks for the linksWow. those lists are very sobering
Batum and perhaps Barnes head my list as perhaps attainable and would really contribute (KD would be my dream -- but likely to remain a fantasy). Of the two I prefer Batum because of his passingA bit of a wild card is Evan Turner. Playing well recently with Boston and could perhaps thrive in a triangle (not an outside shooter, can pass and slash). I know someone, who knows someone, though, who said his teammates at Ohio STate absolutely hated him. Not sure if he's still a prima donna head case. Also with all of Boston's young players and draft picks i can't seem them plunking down $$$ to keep him
PG is so, so weak. Honestly, when you look at this list, you have to give Phil credit for getting Grant. He's better than a lot of the FAs and shows the importance of developing talent especially at pg. I am not a Conley fan because of his age, length, and his likely big contract. Something like his current contract i'm ok, but we'll still complain on the tail end of the deal.
Perhaps we use a similar strategy to this year, and go for a short term, cheaper deal: Sessions, Sloan or Neal. My primary goal would be to stop the penetration
Barnes?
Probably Harrison Barnes who'll be a RFA this Summer.
EnySpree wrote:I'm tired of talking about the same players.http://hoopshype.com/2016/01/16/nba-free...
I'm looking at Evan Fournier. He's a fundamentally sound European player. I think he would love it here. He's restricted but I don't think Orlando resigns him with all the shooting guards and small fwd they already have.
Grievis Vasquez is another. He's basically a younger taller version of Calderón. That is a good thing. He's coming off injury and would be really cheap.
Comb the list and come up with something other than bashing the guys I picked
love E. Fournier's developement. Problem is Orlando does too. lol. thats why they let go of Harris to get the money to sign him
General Grevis cant guard a parked car and hes coming off an ankle injury that kept him out all yr. smh. so of course, i expect the knicks to offer him a 10 mill contract
Fournier is a nice Bradley Beal substitute. He'll probably be cheaper but it's going to take a huge offer to make the magic relinquish him now that they traded Tobias. I think Orl will probably choose to let Oladipo go. I like both for different reasons but Fournier would only cost money Oladipo would cost assets.
Another SG is Allen Crabbe, he is having a break out year and could be growing into something special. He is a huge gamble though but I wanted him over Hardaway Jr during the "great" Hardaway, Bullock, and Crabbe debate. He needs to fix other areas in his game but the kid shooting numbers so a lot of promise. The big problem is that the Blazers has one of the lowest payrolls so they can match anything but will they match anything over $16m?
Barnes is interesting guy. He'll likely ask for $20m, GSW can afford it but do they think he is worthy? Would they be better served to just pay two players to do what he does. Is Barnes capable of being a top 2 guy on another team. Will his defense, passing, rebounding I'm up while maintaining his scoring skills? I personally would move him to the two and see if his game can take a Butler/Middleton type jump when they moved to the 2 guard.
Other options:
Mo Harkless- cheaper and younger D.Will replacement?
Tyler Johnson - injury risk, poison pill candidate?
DeRozan 100/4
Batum 75/4
Conley 75/4
Gasol 45/3
Horford 70/4
Howard 60/3
Brazemore 50/4
Evan Turner 28/4
Chalmers 18/3
Neal 18/3
Stephenson 10/2
If they are able to sign a big man like Gasol/Howard/Horford, then you use Lopez as trade bait. I really like Lopez, but the Center position can be one where the Knicks can improve on and run the Triangle much smoother. We should look to upgrade every position outside of Porzingis/Melo.
I don't see why DeRozan would leave the Raptors for less guaranteed money in New York and a worse team in regards to their record last year. The market and room to grow with Porzingis is there, if DeRozan cares about that. Same thing for Batum. If Charlotte gives him 5 years or a contender offers him a 4 year deal, can't see us realistically snatch him away. Leaves Conley. With Conley I'm worried that he'll wind up getting same money I wrote for DeRozan. 100 million over 4 years. No matter how much the cap is rising, I'm weary of doing the Knicks of past thing which is to max out a guy who is right at cusp of 30, possibly to hit physical decline. That then takes me to Gasol, who I think is the most realistic target for us. Pau loves the Triangle offense, would have 2 spanish players on the team next to him in Calderon/Hernangomez next year. He knows Phil, Rambis, Cleamons and possibly if the Knicks are bringing in either Walton or Thibodeau he knows both well. He's still an all-star, even though 35. Howard I'm iffy on, due to his age and Melo like decline, but he gives the team something they badly need - points in the paint, drawing fouls and a really good post defender. We get beaten up in the paint too much, Howard changes that. Rest of the guys are supporting cast moves, guys like Chalmers/Turner/Neal/Stephenson just players we could add to help solidify the rotation and make the guard rotation really strong, something we can't say this year.
Tyler johnson - made a paper bones
Mo Harkless - is a nice young wing player
E. Fournier - will be re-signed by Orlando (Harris was shipped out so they could afford E. Fournier)
B. Jennings - mercurial PG who thinks hes better than he is; but I think the knicks will settle for him
Perhaps a trade could be worked out.
We did trade for O'Quinn with them last year.
martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Good thread, and thanks for the linksWow. those lists are very sobering
Batum and perhaps Barnes head my list as perhaps attainable and would really contribute (KD would be my dream -- but likely to remain a fantasy). Of the two I prefer Batum because of his passingA bit of a wild card is Evan Turner. Playing well recently with Boston and could perhaps thrive in a triangle (not an outside shooter, can pass and slash). I know someone, who knows someone, though, who said his teammates at Ohio STate absolutely hated him. Not sure if he's still a prima donna head case. Also with all of Boston's young players and draft picks i can't seem them plunking down $$$ to keep him
PG is so, so weak. Honestly, when you look at this list, you have to give Phil credit for getting Grant. He's better than a lot of the FAs and shows the importance of developing talent especially at pg. I am not a Conley fan because of his age, length, and his likely big contract. Something like his current contract i'm ok, but we'll still complain on the tail end of the deal.
Perhaps we use a similar strategy to this year, and go for a short term, cheaper deal: Sessions, Sloan or Neal. My primary goal would be to stop the penetration
Barnes?
Yes Harrison. I take it you're not a fan? Does GS really have the dough to match. He's at best their fourth fiddle. Also it might be the case he wants a bigger role.
I also second or third the crabbe suggestion. Should've mentioned him
Fournier is nice if we could get him. Jennings I think could have a 2nd act to his career in NY. Tyler Johnson is also an intriguing candidate.
callmened wrote:they wont trade wont of their BEST young players for any of the crap we have. and melo wont go to orlando
Lopez is someone they could use and would probably want more than anyone not named Aaron, Mario, and Fournier. I think a 3-team deal involving Lopez, Vucevic, and Oladipo could be worked out. Skiles wants a rim protector and veteran and Lopez is the type of guy he would love. Vucevic would have to go to a 3rd party and I think the knicks would want more compensation than just Ola. I am not sure I would do a that trade unless you get a big back with Oladipo.
In a dream scenario Chicago would be that 3rd team as they try to bring in someone who's Butler's age that would substitute for Pau.
Chi - Vucevic, Watson, and NY 2017 2nd rd
Orl - Lopez and maybe a 1st
NY - Ola and Gibson
Chandler wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Good thread, and thanks for the linksWow. those lists are very sobering
Batum and perhaps Barnes head my list as perhaps attainable and would really contribute (KD would be my dream -- but likely to remain a fantasy). Of the two I prefer Batum because of his passingA bit of a wild card is Evan Turner. Playing well recently with Boston and could perhaps thrive in a triangle (not an outside shooter, can pass and slash). I know someone, who knows someone, though, who said his teammates at Ohio STate absolutely hated him. Not sure if he's still a prima donna head case. Also with all of Boston's young players and draft picks i can't seem them plunking down $$$ to keep him
PG is so, so weak. Honestly, when you look at this list, you have to give Phil credit for getting Grant. He's better than a lot of the FAs and shows the importance of developing talent especially at pg. I am not a Conley fan because of his age, length, and his likely big contract. Something like his current contract i'm ok, but we'll still complain on the tail end of the deal.
Perhaps we use a similar strategy to this year, and go for a short term, cheaper deal: Sessions, Sloan or Neal. My primary goal would be to stop the penetration
Barnes?
Yes Harrison. I take it you're not a fan? Does GS really have the dough to match. He's at best their fourth fiddle. Also it might be the case he wants a bigger role.
I also second or third the crabbe suggestion. Should've mentioned him
Just didn't know what Barnes lol
He is a SF?
Yes Harrison is a sf and I like his game. Batum's passing would be really welcome here. And both would be getting near or at their peak as melo declines. I also think each could play the 2 in certain situations.
I know sf is not a true position of need like our back court but most of the FA guards are meh to meh+ this next season. Still a upgrade over our current situation but Id rather keep the money for better talent. DeroZan is a talent but not sure about his decision making.
Chandler wrote:Hahaha just realized you probably thought I was talking about Matt.Yes Harrison is a sf and I like his game. Batum's passing would be really welcome here. And both would be getting near or at their peak as melo declines. I also think each could play the 2 in certain situations.
I know sf is not a true position of need like our back court but most of the FA guards are meh to meh+ this next season. Still a upgrade over our current situation but Id rather keep the money for better talent. DeroZan is a talent but not sure about his decision making.
Yeah Matt Barnes was the first name that popped into my head haha
I like the idea of adding multiple wings this offseason. I literally do not watch many teams outside of Knicks so it's hard for me to guess at what players will be like outside of stats. I like the idea of adding guys that are mid twenties. I am OK with adding wing players that are non PGs next year and focus on Westbrook the next.