Knicks · You trade melo, you risk losing KP (page 2)
StarksEwing1 wrote:These guys like each other and like playing with each other. They worked out together a lot in the summer. KP is young but he is a professional. He knows what Melo means to his development and the teams.CrushAlot wrote:I think the cba keeps Kristaps in NY. I think his development comes along quicker if Melo is in NY.with or without melo KP is gonna be tremendous. In fact im excited to see him next year because he will be 10 times better after a year under his belt
He’s very special.“And we need him to do big things in the future, especially for me. I love playing alongside him, so that would obviously not be something that I want.”
CrushAlot wrote:that may be true. However my point was when/if melo is traded it wont impact kp negatively. Kp knows trades happen and he will move onStarksEwing1 wrote:These guys like each other and like playing with each other. They worked out together a lot in the summer. KP is young but he is a professional. He knows what Melo means to his development and the teams.CrushAlot wrote:I think the cba keeps Kristaps in NY. I think his development comes along quicker if Melo is in NY.with or without melo KP is gonna be tremendous. In fact im excited to see him next year because he will be 10 times better after a year under his beltHe’s very special.“And we need him to do big things in the future, especially for me. I love playing alongside him, so that would obviously not be something that I want.”
StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I think the cba keeps Kristaps in NY. I think his development comes along quicker if Melo is in NY.with or without melo KP is gonna be tremendous. In fact im excited to see him next year because he will be 10 times better after a year under his belt
He will be great either way, but having Melo here helps simply because KP has to shoulder less of a load. That could keep him healthier and fresher too. You trade Melo, it's fine, but you have to hope KP is ready to carry the franchise on his back by next season, because we aren't replacing Melo with another 20 ppg-ready scorer.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:the thread is inaccurate. Melo being traded doesnt effect KP staying here. KP is gonna be the face of the franchise for the next decade. Obviously you dont want melo traded i can see that but either way KP is gonna be here a long timeStarksEwing1 wrote:I very much doubt trading melo would mean losing kp.....thats just silly. KP WANTED to be in new york. I understand melo has helped him and i appreciate that but that doesnt mean he would leave if/when melo is tradedMelo wanted to be in NY, shaq wanted to be in Orlando...cmon dude, act like you know?
dude this is a new ERA of basketball, to think players are staying put because they love the city they play in, is such a pipe dream.. I mean you guys have melo in every trade possible, and if were losing without melo and just KP and bunch of young role players, he to will be in every trade possible
Name one high draft pick that wasn't a total bomb that didn't extend rookie contract and stay with current team. 1 player.
KP isn't going to look back on a trade from 3 years prior and be like, "you know what, despite everything else, Knicks traded Melo, I'm gone".
some knicks fan are so ridiculous, they look around the league and see the pieces needed to win, see how many stars it takes to win, see the chemistry needed to win, see the type of coach needed to win, they talk about patience, direction, leadership, yet they will blow up their roster in a heart beat, in the middle of building a core.
They talk about taking other teams trash(wroten jammer) and think they will magically turned into a stud in NY.
they want to trade there best players for draft picks and roll players, it's like a cat chasing his tail.
I know if we had curry when he spent 2 yrs with the ankle injuries, we would beat management to death for giving him a 44 mill extension, talking about he is injury prone, and getting grant hill flash backs
Melo has been pushing and helping KP to be more aggressive and get the ball to him.
KP knows how great that has been and he doesn't want Melo to leave.
They get along well.
The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.
Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).
Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.
nyknickzingis wrote:Porzingis is being a good teammate just like Melo has been towards him.
Melo has been pushing and helping KP to be more aggressive and get the ball to him.
KP knows how great that has been and he doesn't want Melo to leave.They get along well.
The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.
Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).
Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.
1)well Melo miss 7 or 8 games this yr, guess what.. , wade mess way more than that and still came back to win 2 rings
2)every single player in this league is subject to injuries, there's no exception, no matter who the hell you get
3)When you have a super star(no matter what you think of melo) and a budding superstar, your half way home, your attractive destination
4)Anthony Davis make 30 mill, super talented guy on a losing team...AKA KP without another star.
5)One star major pressure, over usage until knees go bad and injuries mount, have you seen the allan houston, tracy mcgrady, d howard movie, its playing at a theater near you
6)DRAFT picks, 1 out of every 10 are good, the rest are a toss up
7)we tried to build through the draft prior to AMARE, failed, traded all of our picks and assets for the one guy, is that what your looking fwd to
8)veterans win, young teams lose, and lose for a long time
9)no real coach, and a solid staff..TOAST no matter the talent
10)were worry about a pg in a system the pg is almost completely obsolete on the offense end..on the defensive end, two 7 footers in the paint that were going to the bench at he same time to bring in sasha and seraphin
REALITY
knicks1248 wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Porzingis is being a good teammate just like Melo has been towards him.
Melo has been pushing and helping KP to be more aggressive and get the ball to him.
KP knows how great that has been and he doesn't want Melo to leave.They get along well.
The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.
Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).
Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.
1)well Melo miss 7 or 8 games this yr, guess what.. , wade mess way more than that and still came back to win 2 rings
2)every single player in this league is subject to injuries, there's no exception, no matter who the hell you get
3)When you have a super star(no matter what you think of melo) and a budding superstar, your half way home, your attractive destination
4)Anthony Davis make 30 mill, super talented guy on a losing team...AKA KP without another star.
5)One star major pressure, over usage until knees go bad and injuries mount, have you seen the allan houston, tracy mcgrady, d howard movie, its playing at a theater near you
6)DRAFT picks, 1 out of every 10 are good, the rest are a toss up
7)we tried to build through the draft prior to AMARE, failed, traded all of our picks and assets for the one guy, is that what your looking fwd to
8)veterans win, young teams lose, and lose for a long time
9)no real coach, and a solid staff..TOAST no matter the talent
10)were worry about a pg in a system the pg is almost completely obsolete on the offense end..on the defensive end, two 7 footers in the paint that were going to the bench at he same time to bring in sasha and seraphin
REALITY
All great points and clear facts.
knicks1248 wrote:OUch. I don't disagree but a very clear, blunt way of presenting the situation.nyknickzingis wrote:Porzingis is being a good teammate just like Melo has been towards him.
Melo has been pushing and helping KP to be more aggressive and get the ball to him.
KP knows how great that has been and he doesn't want Melo to leave.They get along well.
The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.
Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).
Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.
1)well Melo miss 7 or 8 games this yr, guess what.. , wade mess way more than that and still came back to win 2 rings
2)every single player in this league is subject to injuries, there's no exception, no matter who the hell you get
3)When you have a super star(no matter what you think of melo) and a budding superstar, your half way home, your attractive destination
4)Anthony Davis make 30 mill, super talented guy on a losing team...AKA KP without another star.
5)One star major pressure, over usage until knees go bad and injuries mount, have you seen the allan houston, tracy mcgrady, d howard movie, its playing at a theater near you
6)DRAFT picks, 1 out of every 10 are good, the rest are a toss up
7)we tried to build through the draft prior to AMARE, failed, traded all of our picks and assets for the one guy, is that what your looking fwd to
8)veterans win, young teams lose, and lose for a long time
9)no real coach, and a solid staff..TOAST no matter the talent
10)were worry about a pg in a system the pg is almost completely obsolete on the offense end..on the defensive end, two 7 footers in the paint that were going to the bench at he same time to bring in sasha and seraphin
REALITY
KP will be upset, but he won't sulk or ask for a trade, and he'll have his boy Hernangomez with him soon.
Just means that the Knicks will be his team sooner rather than later.
crzymdups wrote:Melo has been good for KP's development this season. I think KP could get over it if Melo left, but I think some of you guys are not being honest with yourself about how much BS Melo absorbs and deflects for KP off the court. And how much he helps KP on the court.i think most agree melo has definetly helped KP. However if melo traded KP will be fine because he is super talented and driven
Bonn1997 wrote:If we're a .400 team, don't you think we risk losing KP? The biggest concern should be creating a winning environment.
You're a stats guy, what's the likelihood that he or anyone like him leaves? It's near zero. Or zero based on rookie contract extensions.
martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If we're a .400 team, don't you think we risk losing KP? The biggest concern should be creating a winning environment.You're a stats guy, what's the likelihood that he or anyone like him leaves? It's near zero. Or zero based on rookie contract extensions.
OK, statistically, the most likely scenario for us is that we trade him in a year or two
Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If we're a .400 team, don't you think we risk losing KP? The biggest concern should be creating a winning environment.You're a stats guy, what's the likelihood that he or anyone like him leaves? It's near zero. Or zero based on rookie contract extensions.
OK, statistically, the most likely scenario for us is that we trade him in a year or two
The last time the Knicks drafted a top five pick who won multiple rookie of the month awards they decided to keep him for 15yrs and retire his jersey. Even though they traded Bernard King.
Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If we're a .400 team, don't you think we risk losing KP? The biggest concern should be creating a winning environment.You're a stats guy, what's the likelihood that he or anyone like him leaves? It's near zero. Or zero based on rookie contract extensions.
OK, statistically, the most likely scenario for us is that we trade him in a year or two
so like zero percent chance? Come on man
knicks1248 wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Porzingis is being a good teammate just like Melo has been towards him.
Melo has been pushing and helping KP to be more aggressive and get the ball to him.
KP knows how great that has been and he doesn't want Melo to leave.They get along well.
The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.
Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).
Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.
1)well Melo miss 7 or 8 games this yr, guess what.. , wade mess way more than that and still came back to win 2 rings
2)every single player in this league is subject to injuries, there's no exception, no matter who the hell you get
3)When you have a super star(no matter what you think of melo) and a budding superstar, your half way home, your attractive destination
4)Anthony Davis make 30 mill, super talented guy on a losing team...AKA KP without another star.
5)One star major pressure, over usage until knees go bad and injuries mount, have you seen the allan houston, tracy mcgrady, d howard movie, its playing at a theater near you
6)DRAFT picks, 1 out of every 10 are good, the rest are a toss up
7)we tried to build through the draft prior to AMARE, failed, traded all of our picks and assets for the one guy, is that what your looking fwd to
8)veterans win, young teams lose, and lose for a long time
9)no real coach, and a solid staff..TOAST no matter the talent
10)were worry about a pg in a system the pg is almost completely obsolete on the offense end..on the defensive end, two 7 footers in the paint that were going to the bench at he same time to bring in sasha and seraphin
REALITY
#7 is patently false and #10 is, well... i don't know what it means.
that said, the only way forward is to put melo on a minutes restriction. that won't justify his ridiculous contract since it was based on his being a starter at 36 minutes a game but at least the knicks stand a better chance of getting every ounce of value out of him at 24 minutes a game. and by the way, what team is going to want to pay melo all that money when he is going to have to play bench-like minutes?
crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If we're a .400 team, don't you think we risk losing KP? The biggest concern should be creating a winning environment.You're a stats guy, what's the likelihood that he or anyone like him leaves? It's near zero. Or zero based on rookie contract extensions.
OK, statistically, the most likely scenario for us is that we trade him in a year or twoThe last time the Knicks drafted a top five pick who won multiple rookie of the month awards they decided to keep him for 15yrs and retire his jersey. Even though they traded Bernard King.
Sorry, I should have put the smiley face. We have a history of trading lottery picks but I highly doubt Phil would trade KP.