Knicks · Gotta hand it to Melo - he seems committed. Talking about recruiting this summer. (page 2)

arkrud @ 3/7/2016 9:38 PM
Not sure zo why he always picks up the wrong time and wrong man...
wargames @ 3/7/2016 11:17 PM
Rondo is the best FA Melo thinks he can attract huh?

I really hope Phil figures out how to trade Melo. I am tired of this carousel of patchwork "maybe it will work" players that have come to NY to help Melo chase a playoff run. Its not going to work..... Its just not. Also even if they get Rondo....

Why?

I mean The 2017 FA is all better PG's so to appease Melo and "look" better the knicks will get Rondo..... and accomplish nothing again except starting the clock on when reporters will be able to say again "The knicks have the worse starting PG in the league".

arkrud @ 3/8/2016 7:26 AM
wargames wrote:Rondo is the best FA Melo thinks he can attract huh?

I really hope Phil figures out how to trade Melo. I am tired of this carousel of patchwork "maybe it will work" players that have come to NY to help Melo chase a playoff run. Its not going to work..... Its just not. Also even if they get Rondo....

Why?

I mean The 2017 FA is all better PG's so to appease Melo and "look" better the knicks will get Rondo..... and accomplish nothing again except starting the clock on when reporters will be able to say again "The knicks have the worse starting PG in the league".

2017 for Melo considering his physical is some scary distant future...
Plus Rondo will be what Melo wants - sidekick.
Many 2017 class FAs are Alfa-dogs and Melo only can be the sidekick for them.

Vmart @ 3/8/2016 8:01 AM
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

We have heard this before let Phil do his job. Melo need not recruit because players really don't want to play with him.

Rebuilding is hard but the Knicks never have been really back so drop off will be status quo. Melo is not a superstar he is a good player. People need to stop throwing superstar around on good players. Another factor what player would want to play with a player that can't make it through 82 games. Hasn't anyone noticed that the Knicks have been down hill after Melo sat out that game after stepping on the ref. He was good enough to sit on the bench and bark at his teammates and give his advice. He should have been out there and playing showing his teammates how badly he wants to win a Willis Reed moment that he passed on.

The Knicks need Melo to waive his NTC not recruit.

fishmike @ 3/8/2016 8:08 AM
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
StarksEwing1 @ 3/8/2016 8:24 AM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
I don't buy that. First of all most fans DONT hate melo. Im sure there are a few haters like there are for every player but the whole "Melo is wrongfully hated" thing is a bit of a overreaction. He is a very good player but he hasn't reached that elite level in his career especially in the playoffs. That's not a knock on him at all. As for drawing free agents here it hanst worked out that way BUT I don't totally blame him for that. I admit I want a trade because I think a it would help us more longterm. Im fine with melo staying here but I think KP should be the main focus going forwars with melo taking more of a complimentary role.
Vmart @ 3/8/2016 8:51 AM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.

With or without Melo Knicks haven't been very good. Asides from that one year under Kidds leadership.

fishmike @ 3/8/2016 8:52 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
I don't buy that. First of all most fans DONT hate melo. Im sure there are a few haters like there are for every player but the whole "Melo is wrongfully hated" thing is a bit of a overreaction. He is a very good player but he hasn't reached that elite level in his career especially in the playoffs. That's not a knock on him at all. As for drawing free agents here it hanst worked out that way BUT I don't totally blame him for that. I admit I want a trade because I think a it would help us more longterm. Im fine with melo staying here but I think KP should be the main focus going forwars with melo taking more of a complimentary role.
agree... most fans dont. If they did he wouldnt be an all star every year. Only the really dumb Knick fans do. Doesnt mean you have to love the guy. I will love him when he gives Knick fans like myself a reason to love him. Now he's just a good player who leads his team in baskets made, FTs made, assists, rebounds and points and is trying changing his game for the good of the team and trying to bring more talented guys in here. So yea... dont have to love him. Wins produce love. But hate? Your a phucking retard if you hate him and there is plenty of that around here. PLENTY.
Moonangie @ 3/8/2016 8:54 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
I'll take it one step further: it took GS, now with all-world player Curry, 4 years until he and the team were able to finish a season at .500.

4 years. Not 1 season of 17 wins and then .500, 3 years of suck and then .500.

Patience is important - but let's be honest about the differences - GSW had all their own draft picks and Curry was a rookie.

If you're saying this is how we build around KP - okay I'm on board with that.

But if we're building around Melo, we need to get a little lucky in FA as well as the draft.

Also, GSW got an all-star with the 35th pick in the draft in Draymond Green - something that is quite rare. It can happen, but it is quite rare.

Every situation is different. My understanding is that Phil is trying to build a championship team, whether around KP or Melo, it don't matter. He's building the Knicks.

I think pretty much every championship team is lucky somehow. We just got KP. Gotta build on that.

And be patient.

That's the important part that's too difficult for NYers. But Dolan (and the impatient fans he serves) keep making us take steps backwards. Phil is trying to change that mindset. Let's hope he's successful.

fishmike @ 3/8/2016 8:54 AM
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

We have heard this before let Phil do his job. Melo need not recruit because players really don't want to play with him.

Rebuilding is hard but the Knicks never have been really back so drop off will be status quo. Melo is not a superstar he is a good player. People need to stop throwing superstar around on good players. Another factor what player would want to play with a player that can't make it through 82 games. Hasn't anyone noticed that the Knicks have been down hill after Melo sat out that game after stepping on the ref. He was good enough to sit on the bench and bark at his teammates and give his advice. He should have been out there and playing showing his teammates how badly he wants to win a Willis Reed moment that he passed on.

The Knicks need Melo to waive his NTC not recruit.

Can you base the bold on anything tangible, logical or that can be quantified???

When was the last time the Knicks signed FAs as good as Tyson, Lopez or Afflalo?

StarksEwing1 @ 3/8/2016 8:56 AM
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
I don't buy that. First of all most fans DONT hate melo. Im sure there are a few haters like there are for every player but the whole "Melo is wrongfully hated" thing is a bit of a overreaction. He is a very good player but he hasn't reached that elite level in his career especially in the playoffs. That's not a knock on him at all. As for drawing free agents here it hanst worked out that way BUT I don't totally blame him for that. I admit I want a trade because I think a it would help us more longterm. Im fine with melo staying here but I think KP should be the main focus going forwars with melo taking more of a complimentary role.
agree... most fans dont. If they did he wouldnt be an all star every year. Only the really dumb Knick fans do. Doesnt mean you have to love the guy. I will love him when he gives Knick fans like myself a reason to love him. Now he's just a good player who leads his team in baskets made, FTs made, assists, rebounds and points and is trying changing his game for the good of the team and trying to bring more talented guys in here. So yea... dont have to love him. Wins produce love. But hate? Your a phucking retard if you hate him and there is plenty of that around here. PLENTY.
The good news is that we have KP who everyone seems to love. The kid is absolute beast already and will lead this franchise for the next decade.
HofstraBBall @ 3/8/2016 9:08 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
I don't buy that. First of all most fans DONT hate melo. Im sure there are a few haters like there are for every player but the whole "Melo is wrongfully hated" thing is a bit of a overreaction. He is a very good player but he hasn't reached that elite level in his career especially in the playoffs. That's not a knock on him at all. As for drawing free agents here it hanst worked out that way BUT I don't totally blame him for that. I admit I want a trade because I think a it would help us more longterm. Im fine with melo staying here but I think KP should be the main focus going forwars with melo taking more of a complimentary role.

Think only the real Melo haters, as you say, make this about Melo. Think the point is we have a good player in Melo who is now sharing the ball. A decent center in Rolo. And finally, a draft pick with good potential. We are obviously still missing pieces including consiatent PG, good outside shooting and some added bench help but most don't see that it's not about blaming your star player or just simply pressing the reset button. Feel this is the same frustrated, impatient, knee jerk "NY get it done in a minute" attitude that has consistently kept us in this situation. Cant be unrealistic to the many challenges of starting with just KP and a whole bunch of draft picks. It's a puzzle many teams have tried to figure out with little success.

Think biggest challenge this off season is attracting a good PG willing to play in the Triangle. Which btw, few available. Would love to add a guy like Batum and play Melo at the 4 and Have KP off the bench so he will get more touches. But sorry, off topic.

fishmike @ 3/8/2016 9:25 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
I don't buy that. First of all most fans DONT hate melo. Im sure there are a few haters like there are for every player but the whole "Melo is wrongfully hated" thing is a bit of a overreaction. He is a very good player but he hasn't reached that elite level in his career especially in the playoffs. That's not a knock on him at all. As for drawing free agents here it hanst worked out that way BUT I don't totally blame him for that. I admit I want a trade because I think a it would help us more longterm. Im fine with melo staying here but I think KP should be the main focus going forwars with melo taking more of a complimentary role.

Think only the real Melo haters, as you say, make this about Melo. Think the point is we have a good player in Melo who is now sharing the ball. A decent center in Rolo. And finally, a draft pick with good potential. We are obviously still missing pieces including consiatent PG, good outside shooting and some added bench help but most don't see that it's not about blaming your star player or just simply pressing the reset button. Feel this is the same frustrated, impatient, knee jerk "NY get it done in a minute" attitude that has consistently kept us in this situation. Cant be unrealistic to the many challenges of starting with just KP and a whole bunch of draft picks. It's a puzzle many teams have tried to figure out with little success.

Think biggest challenge this off season is attracting a good PG willing to play in the Triangle. Which btw, few available. Would love to add a guy like Batum and play Melo at the 4 and Have KP off the bench so he will get more touches. But sorry, off topic.

how far fetched is this linup next year? Batum is about max, Rondo about $15mm, stretch Jose, DWill gets paid elsewhere, AA sticks around for $8... Knicks look like this:
C Lopez
PF KP
SF Melo
SG Batum
PG Rondo
Bench: AA, Grant, LG, KOQ, Willy, Wroten

Does that squad compete for a top 4 seed in the East?

yellowboy90 @ 3/8/2016 10:13 AM
Hopefully, Melo is just using Rondo as an example because of the comments he made earlier about not wanting to be in the triangle and doesn't really want him on FA.
crzymdups @ 3/8/2016 10:19 AM
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
I don't buy that. First of all most fans DONT hate melo. Im sure there are a few haters like there are for every player but the whole "Melo is wrongfully hated" thing is a bit of a overreaction. He is a very good player but he hasn't reached that elite level in his career especially in the playoffs. That's not a knock on him at all. As for drawing free agents here it hanst worked out that way BUT I don't totally blame him for that. I admit I want a trade because I think a it would help us more longterm. Im fine with melo staying here but I think KP should be the main focus going forwars with melo taking more of a complimentary role.

Think only the real Melo haters, as you say, make this about Melo. Think the point is we have a good player in Melo who is now sharing the ball. A decent center in Rolo. And finally, a draft pick with good potential. We are obviously still missing pieces including consiatent PG, good outside shooting and some added bench help but most don't see that it's not about blaming your star player or just simply pressing the reset button. Feel this is the same frustrated, impatient, knee jerk "NY get it done in a minute" attitude that has consistently kept us in this situation. Cant be unrealistic to the many challenges of starting with just KP and a whole bunch of draft picks. It's a puzzle many teams have tried to figure out with little success.

Think biggest challenge this off season is attracting a good PG willing to play in the Triangle. Which btw, few available. Would love to add a guy like Batum and play Melo at the 4 and Have KP off the bench so he will get more touches. But sorry, off topic.

how far fetched is this linup next year? Batum is about max, Rondo about $15mm, stretch Jose, DWill gets paid elsewhere, AA sticks around for $8... Knicks look like this:
C Lopez
PF KP
SF Melo
SG Batum
PG Rondo
Bench: AA, Grant, LG, KOQ, Willy, Wroten

Does that squad compete for a top 4 seed in the East?

I don't think we'd be able to afford Afflalo in that scenario - but swap in Lance Thomas for Afflalo and I think that's pretty realistic.

Though Charlotte is playing great right now and Batum may not want to leave? Who knows.

It will be possible to upgrade this summer. I just hope we can get a few guards.

One duo of guards that is talented that seems somehow more realistic to me is Brandon Jennings and Eric Gordon.

HofstraBBall @ 3/8/2016 10:47 AM
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

this is the perspective that people just cant bring themselves to see.
I don't buy that. First of all most fans DONT hate melo. Im sure there are a few haters like there are for every player but the whole "Melo is wrongfully hated" thing is a bit of a overreaction. He is a very good player but he hasn't reached that elite level in his career especially in the playoffs. That's not a knock on him at all. As for drawing free agents here it hanst worked out that way BUT I don't totally blame him for that. I admit I want a trade because I think a it would help us more longterm. Im fine with melo staying here but I think KP should be the main focus going forwars with melo taking more of a complimentary role.

Think only the real Melo haters, as you say, make this about Melo. Think the point is we have a good player in Melo who is now sharing the ball. A decent center in Rolo. And finally, a draft pick with good potential. We are obviously still missing pieces including consiatent PG, good outside shooting and some added bench help but most don't see that it's not about blaming your star player or just simply pressing the reset button. Feel this is the same frustrated, impatient, knee jerk "NY get it done in a minute" attitude that has consistently kept us in this situation. Cant be unrealistic to the many challenges of starting with just KP and a whole bunch of draft picks. It's a puzzle many teams have tried to figure out with little success.

Think biggest challenge this off season is attracting a good PG willing to play in the Triangle. Which btw, few available. Would love to add a guy like Batum and play Melo at the 4 and Have KP off the bench so he will get more touches. But sorry, off topic.

how far fetched is this linup next year? Batum is about max, Rondo about $15mm, stretch Jose, DWill gets paid elsewhere, AA sticks around for $8... Knicks look like this:
C Lopez
PF KP
SF Melo
SG Batum
PG Rondo
Bench: AA, Grant, LG, KOQ, Willy, Wroten

Does that squad compete for a top 4 seed in the East?

Like it. Only worry with Rondo is baggage he brings with his inability, in the past, to adapt to change or differences in opinion. Specially when he has already voiced his opinion against the Triangle. Domt think he will be receptive to Zen mind games.

Batum will be a plus in either regard. IMO

crzymdups @ 3/8/2016 11:19 AM
I was dying for this team to sign Rondo last summer and people told me I was crazy. Sigh. I don't think we have a chance at him now. We could've had him last summer when his value was low.
fishmike @ 3/8/2016 12:00 PM
crzymdups wrote:I was dying for this team to sign Rondo last summer and people told me I was crazy. Sigh. I don't think we have a chance at him now. We could've had him last summer when his value was low.
well there is your handle...

That value wasnt low.. it was toxic. I hear you but hard to justify adding him last year with what was going on

mreinman @ 3/8/2016 1:02 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

We have heard this before let Phil do his job. Melo need not recruit because players really don't want to play with him.

Rebuilding is hard but the Knicks never have been really back so drop off will be status quo. Melo is not a superstar he is a good player. People need to stop throwing superstar around on good players. Another factor what player would want to play with a player that can't make it through 82 games. Hasn't anyone noticed that the Knicks have been down hill after Melo sat out that game after stepping on the ref. He was good enough to sit on the bench and bark at his teammates and give his advice. He should have been out there and playing showing his teammates how badly he wants to win a Willis Reed moment that he passed on.

The Knicks need Melo to waive his NTC not recruit.

Can you base the bold on anything tangible, logical or that can be quantified???

When was the last time the Knicks signed FAs as good as Tyson, Lopez or Afflalo?

Afflalo? C'mon. LT was a better signing and so was DWil.

mreinman @ 3/8/2016 1:07 PM
crzymdups wrote:I was dying for this team to sign Rondo last summer and people told me I was crazy. Sigh. I don't think we have a chance at him now. We could've had him last summer when his value was low.

pass on hack-a-rondo. He ain't nearly as good as you think and he certainly ain't triangle worthy. Dude gets a pick set on the ball for him on almost every play in his career.

I would love to have rondo here next year just for the theatrics when he blows up goes apeshit about the silly triangle.

Vmart @ 3/8/2016 1:35 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

We have heard this before let Phil do his job. Melo need not recruit because players really don't want to play with him.

Rebuilding is hard but the Knicks never have been really back so drop off will be status quo. Melo is not a superstar he is a good player. People need to stop throwing superstar around on good players. Another factor what player would want to play with a player that can't make it through 82 games. Hasn't anyone noticed that the Knicks have been down hill after Melo sat out that game after stepping on the ref. He was good enough to sit on the bench and bark at his teammates and give his advice. He should have been out there and playing showing his teammates how badly he wants to win a Willis Reed moment that he passed on.

The Knicks need Melo to waive his NTC not recruit.

Can you base the bold on anything tangible, logical or that can be quantified???

When was the last time the Knicks signed FAs as good as Tyson, Lopez or Afflalo?

That is Phil doing his job not Melo recruiting. So far Melo has a nothing to show. When do players come here saying they came because of Melo.

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