Knicks · Carmelo had a migraine? (page 3)
jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I guess the media is operating on a short fuse as well. Look at the home page or check out the questions being asked at the coache's conference. Posting a link to saying a guy has a migraine is operating on a short fuse? Not sure where that is coming from. I suggest you read back through the comments in this thread including Martin's.mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:When you post agenda based content that is based on fiction it might be a better look if you didn't defend it adamantly or try to justify what the writer is saying without data or actual sources. Otherwise it appears like you believe the fiction that you are posting. Good luck.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:No I have an idea what you post. For a guy that presents as a stat/data guy you have posted some mind reading, assumption, speculation, anonymous source based articles that have no basis in reality but have a target and appear to be agenda based. Not going to get into throwing insults around just going with facts and actual observations.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:You post some total bs if it fits your agenda. My advice, get a filter and don't just go with what fits how you feel. Look for sources and interviews. Speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, mind reading etc. is just the ny media looking for clicks on their sites.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:did this really deserve a thread?
I think this part is news worthy.Coach Kurt Rambis hinted before Saturday's game that Anthony can choose whether or not he needs to rest on SundaI guess it was news/thread worthy to you.
Yep. It isn't speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources or mind reading. Some don't always find facts thread worthy and prefer fiction. Martin and Andrew run a great site and are tolerant of most threads no matter how irrational or fact based.carmelo put on his sneakers today with a smile ... fact - let me go post that
actually that was the first almost smart post from you ... kudos ... clap clap
you have no idea what and why I'm posting. its not meant for a simpleton who posts brilliance like melo had a migraine.
Maybe you can count the number of letters in my posts and post the answer in a few days
If its interesting/entertain it, I post it. If it will annoy some of the dopey's then I would post it. Heck some times I just post it to get you to put on your baton.
I certainly posts agenda base content (for numerous logical reasons).
I try to stay away from creating melo pooped posts. Not a good look and not very interesting or news worthy or anyone who gives a sh1t.
You told us that Tim Frazier is off to a good start with very good numbers. That is interesting and something to follow. Not super illuminating but its a start.
all cute and I guess funny? What kind of content did I post that you are still bitching about?
Yea I'm not in tune with whatever nonsense garbage centered around Carmelo this week or the kind of vitrial and fighting going on here but I scrolled through the threads to find the thread Crush is referring to. Found nothing. I'm gonna assume he's referring to the threads from callmened and Gustav. And with more fans turning on Melo Crush is operating on a short fuse these days and naturally is going to be a tad bit sensitive. Being that he's always one of the first to defend all things Melo
I just sure hope this gets to 40 pages. I mean, if Toney Wroten is pushing 25...Melograine should get 40, easy!
Crush, don't take the little Melohaters too seriously. They're busy trying to figure out why we can't win games without this fat smiling franchise drag.
We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy.
54 wins say hello with also, Mr. Sir Genius.
Does 17 wins get any mention?
Does reading comprehension and coherence enter the conversation? How much of the 17 win season did Mr. Migraine participate in? I forget.
You are one fun guy to talk to.
I guess Saint Anthony is absolved of any wrongdoing in that season. 
It's never his fault. It's management, the roster, the coach. Blame always falls on others shoulders, got it.
ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I guess the media is operating on a short fuse as well. Look at the home page or check out the questions being asked at the coache's conference. Posting a link to saying a guy has a migraine is operating on a short fuse? Not sure where that is coming from. I suggest you read back through the comments in this thread including Martin's.mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:When you post agenda based content that is based on fiction it might be a better look if you didn't defend it adamantly or try to justify what the writer is saying without data or actual sources. Otherwise it appears like you believe the fiction that you are posting. Good luck.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:No I have an idea what you post. For a guy that presents as a stat/data guy you have posted some mind reading, assumption, speculation, anonymous source based articles that have no basis in reality but have a target and appear to be agenda based. Not going to get into throwing insults around just going with facts and actual observations.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:You post some total bs if it fits your agenda. My advice, get a filter and don't just go with what fits how you feel. Look for sources and interviews. Speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, mind reading etc. is just the ny media looking for clicks on their sites.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:did this really deserve a thread?
I think this part is news worthy.Coach Kurt Rambis hinted before Saturday's game that Anthony can choose whether or not he needs to rest on SundaI guess it was news/thread worthy to you.
Yep. It isn't speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources or mind reading. Some don't always find facts thread worthy and prefer fiction. Martin and Andrew run a great site and are tolerant of most threads no matter how irrational or fact based.carmelo put on his sneakers today with a smile ... fact - let me go post that
actually that was the first almost smart post from you ... kudos ... clap clap
you have no idea what and why I'm posting. its not meant for a simpleton who posts brilliance like melo had a migraine.
Maybe you can count the number of letters in my posts and post the answer in a few days
If its interesting/entertain it, I post it. If it will annoy some of the dopey's then I would post it. Heck some times I just post it to get you to put on your baton.
I certainly posts agenda base content (for numerous logical reasons).
I try to stay away from creating melo pooped posts. Not a good look and not very interesting or news worthy or anyone who gives a sh1t.
You told us that Tim Frazier is off to a good start with very good numbers. That is interesting and something to follow. Not super illuminating but its a start.
all cute and I guess funny? What kind of content did I post that you are still bitching about?
Yea I'm not in tune with whatever nonsense garbage centered around Carmelo this week or the kind of vitrial and fighting going on here but I scrolled through the threads to find the thread Crush is referring to. Found nothing. I'm gonna assume he's referring to the threads from callmened and Gustav. And with more fans turning on Melo Crush is operating on a short fuse these days and naturally is going to be a tad bit sensitive. Being that he's always one of the first to defend all things Melo
I just sure hope this gets to 40 pages. I mean, if Toney Wroten is pushing 25...Melograine should get 40, easy!
Crush, don't take the little Melohaters too seriously. They're busy trying to figure out why we can't win games without this fat smiling franchise drag.
We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy.
54 wins say hello with also, Mr. Sir Genius.
Does 17 wins get any mention?
Does reading comprehension and coherence enter the conversation? How much of the 17 win season did Mr. Migraine participate in? I forget.
You are one fun guy to talk to.
I guess Saint Anthony is absolved of any wrongdoing in that season.
It's never his fault. It's management, the roster, the coach. Blame always falls on others shoulders, got it.
Try to follow this. Even if it's just for a second or two.
What is our record this season without Melo playing? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 17 win season did he sit out? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 54 win season did he play in? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
Now look at the answers you have written down.
Then say to yourself;
"We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy."
You may convert me to Melohate just from the simple joy of reading your stuff.
jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I guess the media is operating on a short fuse as well. Look at the home page or check out the questions being asked at the coache's conference. Posting a link to saying a guy has a migraine is operating on a short fuse? Not sure where that is coming from. I suggest you read back through the comments in this thread including Martin's.mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:When you post agenda based content that is based on fiction it might be a better look if you didn't defend it adamantly or try to justify what the writer is saying without data or actual sources. Otherwise it appears like you believe the fiction that you are posting. Good luck.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:No I have an idea what you post. For a guy that presents as a stat/data guy you have posted some mind reading, assumption, speculation, anonymous source based articles that have no basis in reality but have a target and appear to be agenda based. Not going to get into throwing insults around just going with facts and actual observations.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:You post some total bs if it fits your agenda. My advice, get a filter and don't just go with what fits how you feel. Look for sources and interviews. Speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, mind reading etc. is just the ny media looking for clicks on their sites.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:did this really deserve a thread?
I think this part is news worthy.Coach Kurt Rambis hinted before Saturday's game that Anthony can choose whether or not he needs to rest on SundaI guess it was news/thread worthy to you.
Yep. It isn't speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources or mind reading. Some don't always find facts thread worthy and prefer fiction. Martin and Andrew run a great site and are tolerant of most threads no matter how irrational or fact based.carmelo put on his sneakers today with a smile ... fact - let me go post that
actually that was the first almost smart post from you ... kudos ... clap clap
you have no idea what and why I'm posting. its not meant for a simpleton who posts brilliance like melo had a migraine.
Maybe you can count the number of letters in my posts and post the answer in a few days
If its interesting/entertain it, I post it. If it will annoy some of the dopey's then I would post it. Heck some times I just post it to get you to put on your baton.
I certainly posts agenda base content (for numerous logical reasons).
I try to stay away from creating melo pooped posts. Not a good look and not very interesting or news worthy or anyone who gives a sh1t.
You told us that Tim Frazier is off to a good start with very good numbers. That is interesting and something to follow. Not super illuminating but its a start.
all cute and I guess funny? What kind of content did I post that you are still bitching about?
Yea I'm not in tune with whatever nonsense garbage centered around Carmelo this week or the kind of vitrial and fighting going on here but I scrolled through the threads to find the thread Crush is referring to. Found nothing. I'm gonna assume he's referring to the threads from callmened and Gustav. And with more fans turning on Melo Crush is operating on a short fuse these days and naturally is going to be a tad bit sensitive. Being that he's always one of the first to defend all things Melo
I just sure hope this gets to 40 pages. I mean, if Toney Wroten is pushing 25...Melograine should get 40, easy!
Crush, don't take the little Melohaters too seriously. They're busy trying to figure out why we can't win games without this fat smiling franchise drag.
We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy.
54 wins say hello with also, Mr. Sir Genius.
Does 17 wins get any mention?
Does reading comprehension and coherence enter the conversation? How much of the 17 win season did Mr. Migraine participate in? I forget.
You are one fun guy to talk to.
I guess Saint Anthony is absolved of any wrongdoing in that season.
It's never his fault. It's management, the roster, the coach. Blame always falls on others shoulders, got it.
Try to follow this. Even if it's just for a second or two.
What is our record this season without Melo playing? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 17 win season did he sit out? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 54 win season did he play in? ____________ <-- fill that in here.Now look at the answers you have written down.
Then say to yourself;
"We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy."
You may convert me to Melohate just from the simple joy of reading your stuff.
Every NBA team will struggle without their franchise player.
Take Knicks - they struggle already for 17 years.
We used Vaseline and other melo things to make fans feel more comfortable in this fetal position.
But it still hurts...
jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I guess the media is operating on a short fuse as well. Look at the home page or check out the questions being asked at the coache's conference. Posting a link to saying a guy has a migraine is operating on a short fuse? Not sure where that is coming from. I suggest you read back through the comments in this thread including Martin's.mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:When you post agenda based content that is based on fiction it might be a better look if you didn't defend it adamantly or try to justify what the writer is saying without data or actual sources. Otherwise it appears like you believe the fiction that you are posting. Good luck.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:No I have an idea what you post. For a guy that presents as a stat/data guy you have posted some mind reading, assumption, speculation, anonymous source based articles that have no basis in reality but have a target and appear to be agenda based. Not going to get into throwing insults around just going with facts and actual observations.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:You post some total bs if it fits your agenda. My advice, get a filter and don't just go with what fits how you feel. Look for sources and interviews. Speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, mind reading etc. is just the ny media looking for clicks on their sites.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:did this really deserve a thread?
I think this part is news worthy.Coach Kurt Rambis hinted before Saturday's game that Anthony can choose whether or not he needs to rest on SundaI guess it was news/thread worthy to you.
Yep. It isn't speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources or mind reading. Some don't always find facts thread worthy and prefer fiction. Martin and Andrew run a great site and are tolerant of most threads no matter how irrational or fact based.carmelo put on his sneakers today with a smile ... fact - let me go post that
actually that was the first almost smart post from you ... kudos ... clap clap
you have no idea what and why I'm posting. its not meant for a simpleton who posts brilliance like melo had a migraine.
Maybe you can count the number of letters in my posts and post the answer in a few days
If its interesting/entertain it, I post it. If it will annoy some of the dopey's then I would post it. Heck some times I just post it to get you to put on your baton.
I certainly posts agenda base content (for numerous logical reasons).
I try to stay away from creating melo pooped posts. Not a good look and not very interesting or news worthy or anyone who gives a sh1t.
You told us that Tim Frazier is off to a good start with very good numbers. That is interesting and something to follow. Not super illuminating but its a start.
all cute and I guess funny? What kind of content did I post that you are still bitching about?
Yea I'm not in tune with whatever nonsense garbage centered around Carmelo this week or the kind of vitrial and fighting going on here but I scrolled through the threads to find the thread Crush is referring to. Found nothing. I'm gonna assume he's referring to the threads from callmened and Gustav. And with more fans turning on Melo Crush is operating on a short fuse these days and naturally is going to be a tad bit sensitive. Being that he's always one of the first to defend all things Melo
I just sure hope this gets to 40 pages. I mean, if Toney Wroten is pushing 25...Melograine should get 40, easy!
Crush, don't take the little Melohaters too seriously. They're busy trying to figure out why we can't win games without this fat smiling franchise drag.
We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy.
54 wins say hello with also, Mr. Sir Genius.
Does 17 wins get any mention?
Does reading comprehension and coherence enter the conversation? How much of the 17 win season did Mr. Migraine participate in? I forget.
You are one fun guy to talk to.
I guess Saint Anthony is absolved of any wrongdoing in that season.
It's never his fault. It's management, the roster, the coach. Blame always falls on others shoulders, got it.
Try to follow this. Even if it's just for a second or two.
What is our record this season without Melo playing? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 17 win season did he sit out? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 54 win season did he play in? ____________ <-- fill that in here.Now look at the answers you have written down.
Then say to yourself;
"We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy."
You may convert me to Melohate just from the simple joy of reading your stuff.
LOL well done in terms of presentation!
I will do you one better. Whats Melo's record playing for another organization? And whats the Knicks record in that same time span?
jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I guess the media is operating on a short fuse as well. Look at the home page or check out the questions being asked at the coache's conference. Posting a link to saying a guy has a migraine is operating on a short fuse? Not sure where that is coming from. I suggest you read back through the comments in this thread including Martin's.mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:When you post agenda based content that is based on fiction it might be a better look if you didn't defend it adamantly or try to justify what the writer is saying without data or actual sources. Otherwise it appears like you believe the fiction that you are posting. Good luck.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:No I have an idea what you post. For a guy that presents as a stat/data guy you have posted some mind reading, assumption, speculation, anonymous source based articles that have no basis in reality but have a target and appear to be agenda based. Not going to get into throwing insults around just going with facts and actual observations.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:You post some total bs if it fits your agenda. My advice, get a filter and don't just go with what fits how you feel. Look for sources and interviews. Speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, mind reading etc. is just the ny media looking for clicks on their sites.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:did this really deserve a thread?
I think this part is news worthy.Coach Kurt Rambis hinted before Saturday's game that Anthony can choose whether or not he needs to rest on SundaI guess it was news/thread worthy to you.
Yep. It isn't speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources or mind reading. Some don't always find facts thread worthy and prefer fiction. Martin and Andrew run a great site and are tolerant of most threads no matter how irrational or fact based.carmelo put on his sneakers today with a smile ... fact - let me go post that
actually that was the first almost smart post from you ... kudos ... clap clap
you have no idea what and why I'm posting. its not meant for a simpleton who posts brilliance like melo had a migraine.
Maybe you can count the number of letters in my posts and post the answer in a few days
If its interesting/entertain it, I post it. If it will annoy some of the dopey's then I would post it. Heck some times I just post it to get you to put on your baton.
I certainly posts agenda base content (for numerous logical reasons).
I try to stay away from creating melo pooped posts. Not a good look and not very interesting or news worthy or anyone who gives a sh1t.
You told us that Tim Frazier is off to a good start with very good numbers. That is interesting and something to follow. Not super illuminating but its a start.
all cute and I guess funny? What kind of content did I post that you are still bitching about?
Yea I'm not in tune with whatever nonsense garbage centered around Carmelo this week or the kind of vitrial and fighting going on here but I scrolled through the threads to find the thread Crush is referring to. Found nothing. I'm gonna assume he's referring to the threads from callmened and Gustav. And with more fans turning on Melo Crush is operating on a short fuse these days and naturally is going to be a tad bit sensitive. Being that he's always one of the first to defend all things Melo
I just sure hope this gets to 40 pages. I mean, if Toney Wroten is pushing 25...Melograine should get 40, easy!
Crush, don't take the little Melohaters too seriously. They're busy trying to figure out why we can't win games without this fat smiling franchise drag.
We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy.
54 wins say hello with also, Mr. Sir Genius.
Does 17 wins get any mention?
Does reading comprehension and coherence enter the conversation? How much of the 17 win season did Mr. Migraine participate in? I forget.
You are one fun guy to talk to.
I guess Saint Anthony is absolved of any wrongdoing in that season.
It's never his fault. It's management, the roster, the coach. Blame always falls on others shoulders, got it.
Try to follow this. Even if it's just for a second or two.
What is our record this season without Melo playing? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 17 win season did he sit out? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 54 win season did he play in? ____________ <-- fill that in here.Now look at the answers you have written down.
Then say to yourself;
"We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy."
You may convert me to Melohate just from the simple joy of reading your stuff.
You forgot the 37 win masterpiece in your fill in the blank fail.
foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:nyk4ever wrote:wow calling crush a melo lover? thats pretty stupid. crush provides more content and credibility to this forum than anyone else in this thread combined (including myself), so to see some of the typical people dogging him is pretty funny. what's also funny is that a few posters always bitch about how this forum is to much about "melo lovers and haters" but the only time i see anyone talking about that crap on here is when they interject it into threads. sorry crush, another thread hijacked, all because it contained the "melo" in the title. sad.
This thread has been hijacked twice already.1) Thread apparently not intelligent enough for Rain Man because the fact that he seems to have much more time on his hands than the average person to spend countless hours googling resources for advanced basketball stats.....somehow makes him think he is smart(er) than other people here.
2) MeloLoveHate polarization
perusing through data does not make me smarter than posters like you. However, having the simple common sense to use simple data collections that smart people have supplied us with to determine who will be good and who will not based on statistical probabilities and being much more right than chest bumping hot head posters who think that their fat gut tells them smart things makes me smarter than you.
There are many smart posters here but the silly simpletons would not even know how to recognize them.
You appear to be making subjective assumptions on the intelligence of people based on their posting style and message board interest level. For instance, those whom you may be classifying as a "Silly Simpleton" may have different things going on in their lives, less time to devote to looking up statistics or may just have a different take on the entertainment value of both the Knicks and a fan message board than you. It doesn't make them any less intelligent nor insightful, just different. Your posting style seems to have no tolerance for others with different styles as it is aggressive, bullying and personal (I've high-lighted examples in this post alone). I would question that you might be a bit on the insecure side in that you need to constantly remind everyone about how smart you are. Others on this board including Martin certainly seem to be noticing the aggressive as well as the overly condescending tones in your posts.
you came after me not the other way around but its ok because I don't take this stuff seriously and I continuously asked that people check the data and stop ignoring things that are right in front of them just to be stubborn. Many choose to be open minded and few choose to just stick to ignoring even though no pro in the NBA (besides for the knicks perhaps) is ignoring.
Again, data does not make one smart but if one is willing to look in a book that tells you the 2 + 2 is not 5 and others will rather insist that it is 5, then the first got is obviously smarter and has a huge advantage though it does not necessarily make him smart.
Insecure? Perhaps ... statistics show that most (normal) people and especially smart ones are insecure 
mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:nyk4ever wrote:wow calling crush a melo lover? thats pretty stupid. crush provides more content and credibility to this forum than anyone else in this thread combined (including myself), so to see some of the typical people dogging him is pretty funny. what's also funny is that a few posters always bitch about how this forum is to much about "melo lovers and haters" but the only time i see anyone talking about that crap on here is when they interject it into threads. sorry crush, another thread hijacked, all because it contained the "melo" in the title. sad.
This thread has been hijacked twice already.1) Thread apparently not intelligent enough for Rain Man because the fact that he seems to have much more time on his hands than the average person to spend countless hours googling resources for advanced basketball stats.....somehow makes him think he is smart(er) than other people here.
2) MeloLoveHate polarization
perusing through data does not make me smarter than posters like you. However, having the simple common sense to use simple data collections that smart people have supplied us with to determine who will be good and who will not based on statistical probabilities and being much more right than chest bumping hot head posters who think that their fat gut tells them smart things makes me smarter than you.
There are many smart posters here but the silly simpletons would not even know how to recognize them.
You appear to be making subjective assumptions on the intelligence of people based on their posting style and message board interest level. For instance, those whom you may be classifying as a "Silly Simpleton" may have different things going on in their lives, less time to devote to looking up statistics or may just have a different take on the entertainment value of both the Knicks and a fan message board than you. It doesn't make them any less intelligent nor insightful, just different. Your posting style seems to have no tolerance for others with different styles as it is aggressive, bullying and personal (I've high-lighted examples in this post alone). I would question that you might be a bit on the insecure side in that you need to constantly remind everyone about how smart you are. Others on this board including Martin certainly seem to be noticing the aggressive as well as the overly condescending tones in your posts.
you came after me not the other way around but its ok because I don't take this stuff seriously and I continuously asked that people check the data and stop ignoring things that are right in front of them just to be stubborn. Many choose to be open minded and few choose to just stick to ignoring even though no pro in the NBA (besides for the knicks perhaps) is ignoring.
Again, data does not make one smart but if one is willing to look in a book that tells you the 2 + 2 is not 5 and others will rather insist that it is 5, then the first got is obviously smarter and has a huge advantage though it does not necessarily make him smart.
Insecure? Perhaps ... statistics show that most (normal) people and especially smart ones are insecure
Nice attempt at a deflection, but not really believable.
1) You attempted to blow up this thread by trashing the OP and commented on how it was not smart enough to for you long before I joined. My first post in the thread was an observation regarding that. If you viewed that as an attack than that speaks again to insecurity, which has almost everything to do with emotional weakness and little to do with intelligence level.
2) You are attempting to make a straw man argument by creating a fictitious opponent on this board to your viewpoint. There are very few here who make the claims that all advanced stats are worthless or who completely ignore statistics. The differences can be observed in the varying degrees of importance that they may claim to place on how accurate or useful the predictive nature of the historical empirical data can be. Most (as I) will likely agree that advanced stats are not an absolute but a part of the evaluation when combined with other factors. Some here also feel that stats should not be used in isolation, but rather should be performed to compliment situational and visual analysis.
3) Basketball advanced stats are not absolute and are still in development. For instance, I am unaware of normalizing stats to account for a plus / minus factor based on how effective the unit or team accompanying a player is.
4) To use your analogy, simply reading a book on 2+2 and then shouting everyone down does not make one smart (although it might make them petulant). Understanding why 2+2 does not equal 5 and explaining it to others is more of a sign of intelligence. Statistics are often great for developing an understanding and explaining why......but not infallible nor absolute for predicting forward.
foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:nyk4ever wrote:wow calling crush a melo lover? thats pretty stupid. crush provides more content and credibility to this forum than anyone else in this thread combined (including myself), so to see some of the typical people dogging him is pretty funny. what's also funny is that a few posters always bitch about how this forum is to much about "melo lovers and haters" but the only time i see anyone talking about that crap on here is when they interject it into threads. sorry crush, another thread hijacked, all because it contained the "melo" in the title. sad.
This thread has been hijacked twice already.1) Thread apparently not intelligent enough for Rain Man because the fact that he seems to have much more time on his hands than the average person to spend countless hours googling resources for advanced basketball stats.....somehow makes him think he is smart(er) than other people here.
2) MeloLoveHate polarization
perusing through data does not make me smarter than posters like you. However, having the simple common sense to use simple data collections that smart people have supplied us with to determine who will be good and who will not based on statistical probabilities and being much more right than chest bumping hot head posters who think that their fat gut tells them smart things makes me smarter than you.
There are many smart posters here but the silly simpletons would not even know how to recognize them.
You appear to be making subjective assumptions on the intelligence of people based on their posting style and message board interest level. For instance, those whom you may be classifying as a "Silly Simpleton" may have different things going on in their lives, less time to devote to looking up statistics or may just have a different take on the entertainment value of both the Knicks and a fan message board than you. It doesn't make them any less intelligent nor insightful, just different. Your posting style seems to have no tolerance for others with different styles as it is aggressive, bullying and personal (I've high-lighted examples in this post alone). I would question that you might be a bit on the insecure side in that you need to constantly remind everyone about how smart you are. Others on this board including Martin certainly seem to be noticing the aggressive as well as the overly condescending tones in your posts.
you came after me not the other way around but its ok because I don't take this stuff seriously and I continuously asked that people check the data and stop ignoring things that are right in front of them just to be stubborn. Many choose to be open minded and few choose to just stick to ignoring even though no pro in the NBA (besides for the knicks perhaps) is ignoring.
Again, data does not make one smart but if one is willing to look in a book that tells you the 2 + 2 is not 5 and others will rather insist that it is 5, then the first got is obviously smarter and has a huge advantage though it does not necessarily make him smart.
Insecure? Perhaps ... statistics show that most (normal) people and especially smart ones are insecure
Nice attempt at a deflection, but not really believable.
1) You attempted to blow up this thread by trashing the OP and commented on how it was not smart enough to for you long before I joined. My first post in the thread was an observation regarding that. If you viewed that as an attack than that speaks again to insecurity, which has almost everything to do with emotional weakness and little to do with intelligence level.
2) You are attempting to make a straw man argument by creating a fictitious opponent on this board to your viewpoint. There are very few here who make the claims that all advanced stats are worthless or who completely ignore statistics. The differences can be observed in the varying degrees of importance that they may claim to place on how accurate or useful the predictive nature of the historical empirical data can be. Most (as I) will likely agree that advanced stats are not an absolute but a part of the evaluation when combined with other factors. Some here also feel that stats should not be used in isolation, but rather should be performed to compliment situational and visual analysis.
3) Basketball advanced stats are not absolute and are still in development. For instance, I am unaware of normalizing stats to account for a plus / minus factor based on how effective the unit or team accompanying a player is.
4) To use your analogy, simply reading a book on 2+2 and then shouting everyone down does not make one smart (although it might make them petulant). Understanding why 2+2 does not equal 5 and explaining it to others is more of a sign of intelligence. Statistics are often great for developing an understanding and explaining why......but not infallible nor absolute for predicting forward.
Thank you
martin wrote:foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:nyk4ever wrote:wow calling crush a melo lover? thats pretty stupid. crush provides more content and credibility to this forum than anyone else in this thread combined (including myself), so to see some of the typical people dogging him is pretty funny. what's also funny is that a few posters always bitch about how this forum is to much about "melo lovers and haters" but the only time i see anyone talking about that crap on here is when they interject it into threads. sorry crush, another thread hijacked, all because it contained the "melo" in the title. sad.
This thread has been hijacked twice already.1) Thread apparently not intelligent enough for Rain Man because the fact that he seems to have much more time on his hands than the average person to spend countless hours googling resources for advanced basketball stats.....somehow makes him think he is smart(er) than other people here.
2) MeloLoveHate polarization
perusing through data does not make me smarter than posters like you. However, having the simple common sense to use simple data collections that smart people have supplied us with to determine who will be good and who will not based on statistical probabilities and being much more right than chest bumping hot head posters who think that their fat gut tells them smart things makes me smarter than you.
There are many smart posters here but the silly simpletons would not even know how to recognize them.
You appear to be making subjective assumptions on the intelligence of people based on their posting style and message board interest level. For instance, those whom you may be classifying as a "Silly Simpleton" may have different things going on in their lives, less time to devote to looking up statistics or may just have a different take on the entertainment value of both the Knicks and a fan message board than you. It doesn't make them any less intelligent nor insightful, just different. Your posting style seems to have no tolerance for others with different styles as it is aggressive, bullying and personal (I've high-lighted examples in this post alone). I would question that you might be a bit on the insecure side in that you need to constantly remind everyone about how smart you are. Others on this board including Martin certainly seem to be noticing the aggressive as well as the overly condescending tones in your posts.
you came after me not the other way around but its ok because I don't take this stuff seriously and I continuously asked that people check the data and stop ignoring things that are right in front of them just to be stubborn. Many choose to be open minded and few choose to just stick to ignoring even though no pro in the NBA (besides for the knicks perhaps) is ignoring.
Again, data does not make one smart but if one is willing to look in a book that tells you the 2 + 2 is not 5 and others will rather insist that it is 5, then the first got is obviously smarter and has a huge advantage though it does not necessarily make him smart.
Insecure? Perhaps ... statistics show that most (normal) people and especially smart ones are insecure
Nice attempt at a deflection, but not really believable.
1) You attempted to blow up this thread by trashing the OP and commented on how it was not smart enough to for you long before I joined. My first post in the thread was an observation regarding that. If you viewed that as an attack than that speaks again to insecurity, which has almost everything to do with emotional weakness and little to do with intelligence level.
2) You are attempting to make a straw man argument by creating a fictitious opponent on this board to your viewpoint. There are very few here who make the claims that all advanced stats are worthless or who completely ignore statistics. The differences can be observed in the varying degrees of importance that they may claim to place on how accurate or useful the predictive nature of the historical empirical data can be. Most (as I) will likely agree that advanced stats are not an absolute but a part of the evaluation when combined with other factors. Some here also feel that stats should not be used in isolation, but rather should be performed to compliment situational and visual analysis.
3) Basketball advanced stats are not absolute and are still in development. For instance, I am unaware of normalizing stats to account for a plus / minus factor based on how effective the unit or team accompanying a player is.
4) To use your analogy, simply reading a book on 2+2 and then shouting everyone down does not make one smart (although it might make them petulant). Understanding why 2+2 does not equal 5 and explaining it to others is more of a sign of intelligence. Statistics are often great for developing an understanding and explaining why......but not infallible nor absolute for predicting forward.
Thank you
sure go ahead ... maybe if you as the mod ever posted or took some time to understand more of the advanced data especially since pretty much every team is all in then some of the UK posters would follow your lead. Instead you are still a bit stuck with mostly relying on the eyes and you admittedly do not know much or follow more advances stats.
Martin, you should know that most mods these days are all in with analytics or at least understand the data and how make use of it 
Anyway ... I do pounce on people who I believe are stubbornly acting blind and stupid and that is something that I need research to understand what causes me to do that :-)
foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:nyk4ever wrote:wow calling crush a melo lover? thats pretty stupid. crush provides more content and credibility to this forum than anyone else in this thread combined (including myself), so to see some of the typical people dogging him is pretty funny. what's also funny is that a few posters always bitch about how this forum is to much about "melo lovers and haters" but the only time i see anyone talking about that crap on here is when they interject it into threads. sorry crush, another thread hijacked, all because it contained the "melo" in the title. sad.
This thread has been hijacked twice already.1) Thread apparently not intelligent enough for Rain Man because the fact that he seems to have much more time on his hands than the average person to spend countless hours googling resources for advanced basketball stats.....somehow makes him think he is smart(er) than other people here.
2) MeloLoveHate polarization
perusing through data does not make me smarter than posters like you. However, having the simple common sense to use simple data collections that smart people have supplied us with to determine who will be good and who will not based on statistical probabilities and being much more right than chest bumping hot head posters who think that their fat gut tells them smart things makes me smarter than you.
There are many smart posters here but the silly simpletons would not even know how to recognize them.
You appear to be making subjective assumptions on the intelligence of people based on their posting style and message board interest level. For instance, those whom you may be classifying as a "Silly Simpleton" may have different things going on in their lives, less time to devote to looking up statistics or may just have a different take on the entertainment value of both the Knicks and a fan message board than you. It doesn't make them any less intelligent nor insightful, just different. Your posting style seems to have no tolerance for others with different styles as it is aggressive, bullying and personal (I've high-lighted examples in this post alone). I would question that you might be a bit on the insecure side in that you need to constantly remind everyone about how smart you are. Others on this board including Martin certainly seem to be noticing the aggressive as well as the overly condescending tones in your posts.
you came after me not the other way around but its ok because I don't take this stuff seriously and I continuously asked that people check the data and stop ignoring things that are right in front of them just to be stubborn. Many choose to be open minded and few choose to just stick to ignoring even though no pro in the NBA (besides for the knicks perhaps) is ignoring.
Again, data does not make one smart but if one is willing to look in a book that tells you the 2 + 2 is not 5 and others will rather insist that it is 5, then the first got is obviously smarter and has a huge advantage though it does not necessarily make him smart.
Insecure? Perhaps ... statistics show that most (normal) people and especially smart ones are insecure
Nice attempt at a deflection, but not really believable.
1) You attempted to blow up this thread by trashing the OP and commented on how it was not smart enough to for you long before I joined. My first post in the thread was an observation regarding that. If you viewed that as an attack than that speaks again to insecurity, which has almost everything to do with emotional weakness and little to do with intelligence level.
2) You are attempting to make a straw man argument by creating a fictitious opponent on this board to your viewpoint. There are very few here who make the claims that all advanced stats are worthless or who completely ignore statistics. The differences can be observed in the varying degrees of importance that they may claim to place on how accurate or useful the predictive nature of the historical empirical data can be. Most (as I) will likely agree that advanced stats are not an absolute but a part of the evaluation when combined with other factors. Some here also feel that stats should not be used in isolation, but rather should be performed to compliment situational and visual analysis.
3) Basketball advanced stats are not absolute and are still in development. For instance, I am unaware of normalizing stats to account for a plus / minus factor based on how effective the unit or team accompanying a player is.
4) To use your analogy, simply reading a book on 2+2 and then shouting everyone down does not make one smart (although it might make them petulant). Understanding why 2+2 does not equal 5 and explaining it to others is more of a sign of intelligence. Statistics are often great for developing an understanding and explaining why......but not infallible nor absolute for predicting forward.
Here...endeth...the...lesson.
Holeee sheehit.
ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I guess the media is operating on a short fuse as well. Look at the home page or check out the questions being asked at the coache's conference. Posting a link to saying a guy has a migraine is operating on a short fuse? Not sure where that is coming from. I suggest you read back through the comments in this thread including Martin's.mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:When you post agenda based content that is based on fiction it might be a better look if you didn't defend it adamantly or try to justify what the writer is saying without data or actual sources. Otherwise it appears like you believe the fiction that you are posting. Good luck.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:No I have an idea what you post. For a guy that presents as a stat/data guy you have posted some mind reading, assumption, speculation, anonymous source based articles that have no basis in reality but have a target and appear to be agenda based. Not going to get into throwing insults around just going with facts and actual observations.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:You post some total bs if it fits your agenda. My advice, get a filter and don't just go with what fits how you feel. Look for sources and interviews. Speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, mind reading etc. is just the ny media looking for clicks on their sites.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:did this really deserve a thread?
I think this part is news worthy.Coach Kurt Rambis hinted before Saturday's game that Anthony can choose whether or not he needs to rest on SundaI guess it was news/thread worthy to you.
Yep. It isn't speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources or mind reading. Some don't always find facts thread worthy and prefer fiction. Martin and Andrew run a great site and are tolerant of most threads no matter how irrational or fact based.carmelo put on his sneakers today with a smile ... fact - let me go post that
actually that was the first almost smart post from you ... kudos ... clap clap
you have no idea what and why I'm posting. its not meant for a simpleton who posts brilliance like melo had a migraine.
Maybe you can count the number of letters in my posts and post the answer in a few days
If its interesting/entertain it, I post it. If it will annoy some of the dopey's then I would post it. Heck some times I just post it to get you to put on your baton.
I certainly posts agenda base content (for numerous logical reasons).
I try to stay away from creating melo pooped posts. Not a good look and not very interesting or news worthy or anyone who gives a sh1t.
You told us that Tim Frazier is off to a good start with very good numbers. That is interesting and something to follow. Not super illuminating but its a start.
all cute and I guess funny? What kind of content did I post that you are still bitching about?
Yea I'm not in tune with whatever nonsense garbage centered around Carmelo this week or the kind of vitrial and fighting going on here but I scrolled through the threads to find the thread Crush is referring to. Found nothing. I'm gonna assume he's referring to the threads from callmened and Gustav. And with more fans turning on Melo Crush is operating on a short fuse these days and naturally is going to be a tad bit sensitive. Being that he's always one of the first to defend all things Melo
I just sure hope this gets to 40 pages. I mean, if Toney Wroten is pushing 25...Melograine should get 40, easy!
Crush, don't take the little Melohaters too seriously. They're busy trying to figure out why we can't win games without this fat smiling franchise drag.
We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy.
54 wins say hello with also, Mr. Sir Genius.
Does 17 wins get any mention?
Does reading comprehension and coherence enter the conversation? How much of the 17 win season did Mr. Migraine participate in? I forget.
You are one fun guy to talk to.
I guess Saint Anthony is absolved of any wrongdoing in that season.
It's never his fault. It's management, the roster, the coach. Blame always falls on others shoulders, got it.
Try to follow this. Even if it's just for a second or two.
What is our record this season without Melo playing? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 17 win season did he sit out? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 54 win season did he play in? ____________ <-- fill that in here.Now look at the answers you have written down.
Then say to yourself;
"We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy."
You may convert me to Melohate just from the simple joy of reading your stuff.You forgot the 37 win masterpiece in your fill in the blank fail.
Yeah, and I also forgot those 23 win wonderlove memory Pre-Melo seasons in it in as well.
Hey! While Melo was going to the playoffs with the Nuggets all those years what was this franchise mostly doing?
jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I guess the media is operating on a short fuse as well. Look at the home page or check out the questions being asked at the coache's conference. Posting a link to saying a guy has a migraine is operating on a short fuse? Not sure where that is coming from. I suggest you read back through the comments in this thread including Martin's.mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:When you post agenda based content that is based on fiction it might be a better look if you didn't defend it adamantly or try to justify what the writer is saying without data or actual sources. Otherwise it appears like you believe the fiction that you are posting. Good luck.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:No I have an idea what you post. For a guy that presents as a stat/data guy you have posted some mind reading, assumption, speculation, anonymous source based articles that have no basis in reality but have a target and appear to be agenda based. Not going to get into throwing insults around just going with facts and actual observations.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:You post some total bs if it fits your agenda. My advice, get a filter and don't just go with what fits how you feel. Look for sources and interviews. Speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, mind reading etc. is just the ny media looking for clicks on their sites.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:did this really deserve a thread?
I think this part is news worthy.Coach Kurt Rambis hinted before Saturday's game that Anthony can choose whether or not he needs to rest on SundaI guess it was news/thread worthy to you.
Yep. It isn't speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources or mind reading. Some don't always find facts thread worthy and prefer fiction. Martin and Andrew run a great site and are tolerant of most threads no matter how irrational or fact based.carmelo put on his sneakers today with a smile ... fact - let me go post that
actually that was the first almost smart post from you ... kudos ... clap clap
you have no idea what and why I'm posting. its not meant for a simpleton who posts brilliance like melo had a migraine.
Maybe you can count the number of letters in my posts and post the answer in a few days
If its interesting/entertain it, I post it. If it will annoy some of the dopey's then I would post it. Heck some times I just post it to get you to put on your baton.
I certainly posts agenda base content (for numerous logical reasons).
I try to stay away from creating melo pooped posts. Not a good look and not very interesting or news worthy or anyone who gives a sh1t.
You told us that Tim Frazier is off to a good start with very good numbers. That is interesting and something to follow. Not super illuminating but its a start.
all cute and I guess funny? What kind of content did I post that you are still bitching about?
Yea I'm not in tune with whatever nonsense garbage centered around Carmelo this week or the kind of vitrial and fighting going on here but I scrolled through the threads to find the thread Crush is referring to. Found nothing. I'm gonna assume he's referring to the threads from callmened and Gustav. And with more fans turning on Melo Crush is operating on a short fuse these days and naturally is going to be a tad bit sensitive. Being that he's always one of the first to defend all things Melo
I just sure hope this gets to 40 pages. I mean, if Toney Wroten is pushing 25...Melograine should get 40, easy!
Crush, don't take the little Melohaters too seriously. They're busy trying to figure out why we can't win games without this fat smiling franchise drag.
We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy.
54 wins say hello with also, Mr. Sir Genius.
Does 17 wins get any mention?
Does reading comprehension and coherence enter the conversation? How much of the 17 win season did Mr. Migraine participate in? I forget.
You are one fun guy to talk to.
I guess Saint Anthony is absolved of any wrongdoing in that season.
It's never his fault. It's management, the roster, the coach. Blame always falls on others shoulders, got it.
Try to follow this. Even if it's just for a second or two.
What is our record this season without Melo playing? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 17 win season did he sit out? ____________ <-- fill that in here.
How much of the 54 win season did he play in? ____________ <-- fill that in here.Now look at the answers you have written down.
Then say to yourself;
"We can't win with Melo either too, wise guy."
You may convert me to Melohate just from the simple joy of reading your stuff.You forgot the 37 win masterpiece in your fill in the blank fail.
Yeah, and I also forgot those 23 win wonderlove memory Pre-Melo seasons in it in as well.
Hey! While Melo was going to the playoffs with the Nuggets all those years what was this franchise mostly doing?
Don't forget the 36 win Juggernaut that made the 1st round against the Miami Heat! Or the legendary 42 win team Melo led either. All time Knicks teams right there, glad we were on board for the ride of our lives.
Ahh, those were the times...