Knicks · What team traded its star player and was better after the trade (page 5)

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

arkrud wrote:Knicks cannot trade Melo.
Melo can trade himself or stay in NY.
He is the master of his own destiny.
The main good thing from him leaving is liberation from false perception that this team is some player or coach away from the showtime.
It is light years away as you rightly mentioned.
It takes time to build around stars and team should start to build when their star is entering his prime not exiting it.
There is nothing wrong with Melo but it is everything wrong with timing between him and state of the Knicks.

The perception is the propaganda. The reality is a future that we can't see, thus we are mad.
Melo is here to sell tickets cuz NBA is an entertainment company. Winning nice, but selling tix is the game.

Only one team of 30 wins. This is gonna take a few years. Then why keep melo? "thats entertainment!!!"

Why is melo a star attraction , why does he sell tickets, is it because he's really good, or 98% of the basketball world doesn't see what a handful of knick fans see like chuckbuck and DK.

The people that want him traded have a personal agenda. I know this because they know that the propose trades won't make us better and sets us back 5 yrs.

Any GM trades a confirm good play for a player that they pray and hope "HE may be good", should be fired,

OUR concerns should always be towards management for the most part, they put this sht toghether..One good move 2 bad moves, thats the pattern of every GM we get.

I'll be very honest, I hated melo's game and personality before he got here, was totally against the trade. But when he became a FA, the thought of having to deal with another 10 yrs looking for a star player, or leader was very scary.

All those yrs with draft picks like frank williams, sweetney, frye, toney douglas, boneheaded trades like KVH for Tim thomas, or Francis for Ariza, or watching no big name FA even giving us a second thought.

Kp is good, but we haven't had one single draft pick in 15 yrs, that has came back better(except Lee & Nate) in his 2nd season ready to take over. He hasN'T been able to do nothing when melo's out, and if he himself gets hurt, who will we rely on if melo's not here, A BUNCH OF LOW DRAFT PICKS, AND MORE AFFALO TYPE PLAYERS, avg 82 ppg as a team

Like you folks seen this horror movie before, why would want to go the same rout..like wtf maaan

------->The people that want him traded have a personal agenda. I know this because they know that the propose trades won't make us better and sets us back 5

In the last 3 years we are
37-45
17-65
28-43

We sck--the personal agenda is to NOT sck. We need to use Melo to get younger--to build out and raise the talent level of the guard positions.

What a ridiculous statement to make. Posters are sinking to new lows everyday in defense of their hero

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Hornets needed 12 lotto picks to be a 1st-2nd rd team.
GSW needed 3 lotto picks and 1 2nd round pick to be arguably the best team in the NBA or history depending on who you ask.
Spurs needed 1 lotto pick, 1 late first, 1 2nd round pick
Dallas needed 1 lotto pick, multiple smart trades, cap flexibility to be in the hunt year after year.

Focus needs to be on being a sound organization. Odds of our draft picks being as good or better then Melo (22-8-4 with solid D this season) even at his age isn't high. So if we can't build a winning team with a guy like Melo odds are we aren't going to build a winning team with most players. We would strictly have to have the best players in the NBA then.

It isn't about this season! It's about next season, and the seasons 5 and 10 years from now. We're not going to be competing next year or the year after unless we get stupidly, ridiculously lucky. And if we're trying to compete the next 2-3 years and fail like we're probably going to, we're going to fuck up Porzingis' prime when he hits 25/26 by not having other good to great players around the same age. We'll waste his prime the same way Cleveland did Lebron, New Orleans did Chris Pual and is doing to Anthony Davis.

Bingo
is there any doubt that this organization is going to ruin Porzingis?

He might already be ruined playing for Ringling Brothers in his very first NBA season

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

Yea like a 2017 & a 2018/19

There must be something in the water. Maybe too much lead

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

You could also do a multi-team trade and get picks from other teams. Frankly, we should have traded Melo a long time ago (back when he was winning player of the month awards and his value was high). I would not risk his health and play lowering further.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

You could also do a multi-team trade and get picks from other teams. Frankly, we should have traded Melo a long time ago (back when he was winning player of the month awards and his value was high). I would not risk his health and play lowering further.

Yea like 3-4yrs ago when we were pleading for this laughing stock organization to trade him

Detroit traded HOFer Adrian Dantley for Mark Aguirre (remember him working with Eddy Curry...). That trade was a big factor in two championships, as it redistributed the shots to the up and coming stars

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

Nope... brilliant posts like this ensure Melo is going to be here for the next decade. Its a karma thing.

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

SupremeCommander wrote:Detroit traded HOFer Adrian Dantley for Mark Aguirre (remember him working with Eddy Curry...). That trade was a big factor in two championships, as it redistributed the shots to the up and coming stars

Hmmm Good analogy. If you leave out the small fact Detroit had IT amd Dumars, Johnson, Rodman and Lambo. Roster quite not the same on Knicks.....ever?

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Yup yup. Fair and balanced knick fans. Trade your best player with a NTC for a cup of coffee and some used tampons. Just end it already.

Maybe we could talk to Charlotte about taking Melo for Lin straight up. Of course, we would include paying at least half of Melo's remaining contract as ongoing penance for having allowed him to force his way here to begin with...

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

You could also do a multi-team trade and get picks from other teams. Frankly, we should have traded Melo a long time ago (back when he was winning player of the month awards and his value was high). I would not risk his health and play lowering further.

Yea like 3-4yrs ago when we were pleading for this laughing stock organization to trade him

Congratulations....thought process almost there. "Laughing Stock Organazation" Ding Ding Ding! "ORGANAZATION" being the key word. One that makes up a team out of D league guys and journeyman players and fools their ignorant fan base that the team should and actually will win and get into the playoffs. To watch the ignorant blame it on one guy instead of the "Organazation" is hilarious. Did you have your division tittle t shirt ordered when you saw this roster? Btw, we have been a laughing stock for over 16 years. Before Melo got here, With two years of Dignity. And yes, one due to Melo. But Let me make your day... Melo will probably give the ignorant a proper middle finger and rightfully bolt this "Laughing Stock Organazation" very soon. Unfortunately, if that happens we will continue to be a laughing stock for many years to come.

I just want to see who else would do this.

If Phoenix offered Devin Booker for Carmelo Anthony straight up would you turn it down?

BRIGGS wrote:I just want to see who else would do this.

If Phoenix offered Devin Booker for Carmelo Anthony straight up would you turn it down?

I can't see The Suns offering an up and coming player for a player that will be 32 and on the down.

Trading star player could work - I just can't think of any examples where it's worked out. Knicks haven't recovered from the Ewing trade

Clyde Drexler for Otis Thorpe.

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just want to see who else would do this.

If Phoenix offered Devin Booker for Carmelo Anthony straight up would you turn it down?

I can't see The Suns offering an up and coming player for a player that will be 32 and on the down.

I know they would never do it--Im just wondering if anyone here would. Im mean its a no brainer.

Id much rather have Andrew Wiggins than K Love although K love is 26--not 32.

BRIGGS wrote:Id much rather have Andrew Wiggins than K Love although K love is 26--not 32.

going to be 28 in september.

and love was needed for a couple of playoffs runs while wiggins was not up for that yet.

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just want to see who else would do this.

If Phoenix offered Devin Booker for Carmelo Anthony straight up would you turn it down?

I can't see The Suns offering an up and coming player for a player that will be 32 and on the down.

I know they would never do it--Im just wondering if anyone here would. Im mean its a no brainer.

That would be robbery by the Knicks. The Suns would never do it. You'd have to throw in Porzingis to even get talks started.