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if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Try to sign Demar Derozan to a max contract

if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

If that happens the Knicks will definitely win the east. Great chance to win a title especially with the players we have still on the roster. Derozen is not leaving Toronto though. It's a mistake if he doesn't. I just don't see Toronto getting better after this year.

I think Rondo and Bazemore is more realistic though. I'd be on board for that.

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Try to sign Demar Derozan to a max contract

if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

If that happens the Knicks will definitely win the east. Great chance to win a title especially with the players we have still on the roster. Derozen is not leaving Toronto though. It's a mistake if he doesn't. I just don't see Toronto getting better after this year.

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Try to sign Demar Derozan to a max contract

if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

If that happens the Knicks will definitely win the east. Great chance to win a title especially with the players we have still on the roster. Derozen is not leaving Toronto though. It's a mistake if he doesn't. I just don't see Toronto getting better after this year.

In the beginning of the year, Toronto made claims that they weren't interested in resigning Derozan for max money. Things may have changed throughout the season. But its really the only reason why its been viewed as possible for him to leave given the success they have had the past few yrs.

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Try to sign Demar Derozan to a max contract

if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

i cant imagine any reason why Derozen would leave a winning team or turn down going home to los angeles to go to new york

i like the idea of signing bazemore but hell cost WAY more than 8 mill. try 13-15 mill. rondo wont go for 10 mill either. samething 13-15 mill

gordon is made out of paper and is not worth signing. (he will ask for at least 10 mill). boba as a back up big would be cool. again, im not sure why he would come here. DJ Augustin sucks.

My suggestions: sign bazemore and jennings to short term 2 yr contracts (12-14 mill each). go from there

callmened wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Try to sign Demar Derozan to a max contract

if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

i cant imagine any reason why Derozen would leave a winning team or turn down going home to los angeles to go to new york

i like the idea of signing bazemore but hell cost WAY more than 8 mill. try 13-15 mill. rondo wont go for 10 mill either. samething 13-15 mill

gordon is made out of paper and is not worth signing. (he will ask for at least 10 mill). boba as a back up big would be cool. again, im not sure why he would come here. DJ Augustin sucks.

My suggestions: sign bazemore and jennings to short term 2 yr contracts (12-14 mill each). go from there

why 2 years? You'd miss the next very good free agency pool of guards.

callmened wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Try to sign Demar Derozan to a max contract

if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

i cant imagine any reason why Derozen would leave a winning team or turn down going home to los angeles to go to new york

i like the idea of signing bazemore but hell cost WAY more than 8 mill. try 13-15 mill. rondo wont go for 10 mill either. samething 13-15 mill

gordon is made out of paper and is not worth signing. (he will ask for at least 10 mill). boba as a back up big would be cool. again, im not sure why he would come here. DJ Augustin sucks.

My suggestions: sign bazemore and jennings to short term 2 yr contracts (12-14 mill each). go from there

I dont like Jennings and no way would I give him 12mm.

Vmart wrote:If the Knicks sign Derozan and Gordon the Knocks will be in the finals next year.

That's a lot of love for E.Gordon who isn't all that great but i'll give that team a playoff birth and would be a tough out for anyone.

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Try to sign Demar Derozan to a max contract

if fail

#2 Try to sign Rajon Rondo to a 3 year 30mm$ deal with mutual opt out after 2
Bazemore to a 3 years 24mm$ deal

If either or both Williams and Affalo opt out giving us 13mm additional

Sign Eric Gordon 2 years 15mm opt out after 1(6th man)
Sign Bobanjovic C 3 years 16.5mm (primary back up C)
Sign D J Augustin 1 year 2.5mm

If that happens the Knicks will definitely win the east. Great chance to win a title especially with the players we have still on the roster. Derozen is not leaving Toronto though. It's a mistake if he doesn't. I just don't see Toronto getting better after this year.

Just curious, what does the Raptors need? A scoring 4-5? They could probably draft that with the lotto pick they'll be getting this season courtesy of us or Denver, or make a push for Horford while dumping J-Val.

If they wouldn't of lost D.Carroll they would of been in even better shape and i think he's close to a return but it could hurt them more than help them if he doesn't have enough time to get back adjusted to his teammates for the playoffs.

EnySpree wrote:I'm trying to figure out why everyone is so willing to give Bazemore 12-15 mil a year. He's not even playing that well in Atlanta to command that much money. You guys are overating him big time

Bazemore fell off a lot this year in the last month or so. I think Briggs' offer of 8yr $24M might be right. With Timmy growing into a bigger role, Atlanta might be willing to let him go for that.

EnySpree wrote:I'm trying to figure out why everyone is so willing to give Bazemore 12-15 mil a year. He's not even playing that well in Atlanta to command that much money. You guys are overating him big time

I agree. In the beginning of the year he was looking like he was really gonna break out but he really hasn't done much besides a breakout game every now and then where he hits some 3's.

Giving Jennings a big contract is of course insane and I think that most people would agree with that.

I would think that some would have learned from Afflalo that signing low efficient players means they will probably be just as inefficient here. Can we get lucky on one of them? Maybe but we mostly likely won't so why overpay these guys?

And guess what ... Batum is not down to under average and he is the big prize?

Derozen will probably stay though maybe Phil can pull a pat riley and try be useful and earn his huge contract.

mreinman wrote:Bazemore WS48 is now down to .092 which is under average. Overpaying him would not be smart since he has yet to prove himself even though he may pass some peoples eye test.

Giving Jennings a big contract is of course insane and I think that most people would agree with that.

I would think that some would have learned from Afflalo that signing low efficient players means they will probably be just as inefficient here. Can we get lucky on one of them? Maybe but we mostly likely won't so why overpay these guys?

And guess what ... Batum is not down to under average and he is the big prize?

Derozen will probably stay though maybe Phil can pull a pat riley and try be useful and earn his huge contract.

Yeah, I think Bazemore might be overrated. We might be able to find a much cheaper guy who can do the same thing. I think he's a system guy for Atlanta anyway. But at the right price, he'd be a solid addition.

I think we're at the point where we need to take a bit of a risk on a Rondo or Jennings signing at PG. I'm not in favor of a huge overpay, but I am in favor of making a strong offer to those two.

There is zero chance DeRozan comes here and I think maybe a 2% chance he leaves the Raptors at all. That organization is becoming a sort of Spurs lite organization. Really well run and the players all love it there.

Eastern Conference All-Star guard DeMar DeRozan says it will be “pretty tough” for interested teams to steal him away from the Raptors in free agency this summer. “My whole mindset has always been this is home for me,” DeRozan said in an interview that will air in full on Saturday’s Meet the All-Stars show on ESPN Radio at 5:30 p.m. “I never think otherwise unless it’s brought up to me, or you see things, or people ask you about certain things. This has always been home to me. I took pride in putting on this Toronto Raptors jersey since I’ve been drafted here. And my whole goal was to get this team to the point where it is now. And I feel I’ve been a major key to that.”

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:Bazemore WS48 is now down to .092 which is under average. Overpaying him would not be smart since he has yet to prove himself even though he may pass some peoples eye test.

Giving Jennings a big contract is of course insane and I think that most people would agree with that.

I would think that some would have learned from Afflalo that signing low efficient players means they will probably be just as inefficient here. Can we get lucky on one of them? Maybe but we mostly likely won't so why overpay these guys?

And guess what ... Batum is not down to under average and he is the big prize?

Derozen will probably stay though maybe Phil can pull a pat riley and try be useful and earn his huge contract.

Yeah, I think Bazemore might be overrated. We might be able to find a much cheaper guy who can do the same thing. I think he's a system guy for Atlanta anyway. But at the right price, he'd be a solid addition.

I think we're at the point where we need to take a bit of a risk on a Rondo or Jennings signing at PG. I'm not in favor of a huge overpay, but I am in favor of making a strong offer to those two.

There is zero chance DeRozan comes here and I think maybe a 2% chance he leaves the Raptors at all. That organization is becoming a sort of Spurs lite organization. Really well run and the players all love it there.

Eastern Conference All-Star guard DeMar DeRozan says it will be “pretty tough” for interested teams to steal him away from the Raptors in free agency this summer. “My whole mindset has always been this is home for me,” DeRozan said in an interview that will air in full on Saturday’s Meet the All-Stars show on ESPN Radio at 5:30 p.m. “I never think otherwise unless it’s brought up to me, or you see things, or people ask you about certain things. This has always been home to me. I took pride in putting on this Toronto Raptors jersey since I’ve been drafted here. And my whole goal was to get this team to the point where it is now. And I feel I’ve been a major key to that.”

I would agree about Derozen but you never know about things like that. To many variables that we are not privy to.

I don't want to over pay for under average players. I really hope that we trade melo and rebuild. That me be our only smart option (if he is willing to wave his NTC).

I assume that we won't trade melo and we will starphuck overpay and just dig a deeper hole ... that is what we do.

Also, would really like to see what will happen in cleveland ... something is very very wrong there.

mreinman wrote:Bazemore WS48 is now down to .092 which is under average. Overpaying him would not be smart since he has yet to prove himself even though he may pass some peoples eye test.

Giving Jennings a big contract is of course insane and I think that most people would agree with that.

I would think that some would have learned from Afflalo that signing low efficient players means they will probably be just as inefficient here. Can we get lucky on one of them? Maybe but we mostly likely won't so why overpay these guys?

And guess what ... Batum is not down to under average and he is the big prize?

Derozen will probably stay though maybe Phil can pull a pat riley and try be useful and earn his huge contract.

And what was it that Pat "the rat" Riley pulled?? Please don't say he got Wade, Lebron and Bosh to come together in Miami cause that had nothing to do with him and had everything to do with Lebron getting that together.

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:Bazemore WS48 is now down to .092 which is under average. Overpaying him would not be smart since he has yet to prove himself even though he may pass some peoples eye test.

Giving Jennings a big contract is of course insane and I think that most people would agree with that.

I would think that some would have learned from Afflalo that signing low efficient players means they will probably be just as inefficient here. Can we get lucky on one of them? Maybe but we mostly likely won't so why overpay these guys?

And guess what ... Batum is not down to under average and he is the big prize?

Derozen will probably stay though maybe Phil can pull a pat riley and try be useful and earn his huge contract.

And what was it that Pat "the rat" Riley pulled?? Please don't say he got Wade, Lebron and Bosh to come together in Miami cause that had nothing to do with him and had everything to do with Lebron getting that together.

I thought that Pat had a lot to do with it.

How do you think Riley is as a GM?

Riley is still to me the best basketball man in the game. And his coaching in NY really made him stand out even more for me.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Vmart wrote:If the Knicks sign Derozan and Gordon the Knocks will be in the finals next year.

That's a lot of love for E.Gordon who isn't all that great but i'll give that team a playoff birth and would be a tough out for anyone.

He would fit the triangle guard that Phil likes. Kind of like a Paxson, Kerr, Shaw, Harper role.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:Bazemore WS48 is now down to .092 which is under average. Overpaying him would not be smart since he has yet to prove himself even though he may pass some peoples eye test.

Giving Jennings a big contract is of course insane and I think that most people would agree with that.

I would think that some would have learned from Afflalo that signing low efficient players means they will probably be just as inefficient here. Can we get lucky on one of them? Maybe but we mostly likely won't so why overpay these guys?

And guess what ... Batum is not down to under average and he is the big prize?

Derozen will probably stay though maybe Phil can pull a pat riley and try be useful and earn his huge contract.

Yeah, I think Bazemore might be overrated. We might be able to find a much cheaper guy who can do the same thing. I think he's a system guy for Atlanta anyway. But at the right price, he'd be a solid addition.

I think we're at the point where we need to take a bit of a risk on a Rondo or Jennings signing at PG. I'm not in favor of a huge overpay, but I am in favor of making a strong offer to those two.

There is zero chance DeRozan comes here and I think maybe a 2% chance he leaves the Raptors at all. That organization is becoming a sort of Spurs lite organization. Really well run and the players all love it there.

Eastern Conference All-Star guard DeMar DeRozan says it will be “pretty tough” for interested teams to steal him away from the Raptors in free agency this summer. “My whole mindset has always been this is home for me,” DeRozan said in an interview that will air in full on Saturday’s Meet the All-Stars show on ESPN Radio at 5:30 p.m. “I never think otherwise unless it’s brought up to me, or you see things, or people ask you about certain things. This has always been home to me. I took pride in putting on this Toronto Raptors jersey since I’ve been drafted here. And my whole goal was to get this team to the point where it is now. And I feel I’ve been a major key to that.”

I would agree about Derozen but you never know about things like that. To many variables that we are not privy to.

I don't want to over pay for under average players. I really hope that we trade melo and rebuild. That me be our only smart option (if he is willing to wave his NTC).

I assume that we won't trade melo and we will starphuck overpay and just dig a deeper hole ... that is what we do.

Also, would really like to see what will happen in cleveland ... something is very very wrong there.

I bet Bron makes a big push to move KLove there this summer. Not sure about Irving. Cleveland is defintely interesting though.

IF I were the Knicks, I'd have a helluva lot more interest in Irving than Love.

Though I really can't see Melo going to Cleveland - that's Bron's team. He kind of hinted that if they teamed up it'd be somewhere warm aka not one of their existing teams. Maybe the Lakers?

I still think the most likely play this summer, if we trade Melo, is for Blake to the Clippers. Another thing to watch down the stretch is that Blake is returning to the Clippers in four games. Clips have been better without him. If they falter when he comes back, I think they may look to move him.

I agree the better way to build would be to move Melo. But I think it is more likely to keep him - he wants to be here. I think that MAY change if the Knicks totally strike out in Free Agency. Like if the Knicks don't get Rondo or Jennings, I think we way hear about a mid-July trade rumble of Blake for Melo. Maybe the Knicks keep Blake, or maybe they move him to a third team for 2017 picks or something? But I think a Triangle frontline of Blake and KP would be great. Bring Rolo off the bench as the third big, or move him for a guard.

But since Melo is more likely to stay, I am interested in talking about what that means for FA this summer. I don't necessarily think it's the best path, but I've long since given up screaming at the clouds for that to happen. Those thoughts left me around the time we gave away Lin because he hurt Dolan's feelings and then we passed up a trade for Lowry because Masai previously hurt Dolan's feelings.