Knicks · 2016 Free Agent Win Share 48 List (page 1)
I've bolded the top targets based on the numbers. I included some of our guys as a frame of reference.
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
01 Mike Conley PG 28 MEM 56 1760 19.4 .538 .309 .329 5.3 32.9 2.0 0.8 9.5 22.6 5.4 .147 3.7 -1.9 1.7 1.7
02 D.J. Augustin PG 28 TOT 56 1061 14.3 .582 .479 .371 4.6 25.1 1.6 0.2 16.5 17.8 2.6 .120 1.3 -2.6 -1.3 0.2
03 Ramon Sessions PG 29 WAS 75 1469 15.0 .556 .186 .498 7.0 19.3 1.4 0.3 13.6 21.7 2.9 .095 -0.9 -1.4 -2.3 -0.1
04 Brandon Jennings PG 26 TOT 44 799 14.1 .495 .514 .269 6.3 28.8 1.6 0.6 13.8 20.4 1.5 .090 0.7 -1.7 -1.0 0.2
05 Rajon Rondo PG 29 SAC 70 2466 16.8 .504 .218 .189 9.2 47.9 2.7 0.3 25.0 18.8 4.4 .085 0.7 0.2 0.9 1.8
06 Donald Sloan PG 28 BRK 54 1164 13.8 .540 .285 .325 7.9 29.0 1.3 0.2 18.2 15.9 1.7 .072 -0.4 -1.7 -2.1 0.0Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
07 Isaiah Canaan PG 24 PHI 74 1880 10.9 .527 .671 .248 4.8 11.3 1.4 0.4 10.6 19.8 1.3 .034 0.1 -2.9 -2.8 -0.4
08 Ish Smith PG 27 TOT 70 1993 15.3 .460 .161 .181 7.5 39.4 2.0 0.7 13.8 24.4 1.2 .028 -0.4 -1.0 -1.4 0.3
09 Ty Lawson PG 28 TOT 59 1257 9.5 .485 .319 .256 4.3 23.2 1.9 0.4 19.8 14.9 0.6 .024 -2.7 -2.1 -4.8 -0.9
10 Norris Cole PG 27 NOP 45 1198 10.9 .465 .211 .134 7.0 22.1 1.5 0.3 12.8 21.7 0.0 -0.002 -2.3 -1.2 -3.5 -0.5
11 Greivis Vasquez PG 29 MIL 17 374 8.8 .456 .482 .219 6.1 28.9 1.1 0.0 19.9 18.8 -0.1 -0.009 -2.3 -3.7 -6.0 -0.4Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
01 Kevin Durant SF 27 OKC 67 2403 28.1 .634 .339 .359 12.6 24.0 1.3 2.6 13.5 30.4 13.5 .269 6.8 1.0 7.8 6.0
02 Luol Deng SF 30 MIA 66 2117 14.9 .545 .345 .267 10.3 8.4 1.6 1.0 8.3 17.4 5.6 .128 1.1 0.5 1.6 1.9
03 Michael Beasley SF 27 HOU 13 257 22.6 .572 .054 .209 14.6 6.8 1.5 2.6 9.5 30.0 0.6 .114 -1.4 -2.9 -4.3 -0.1
04 Harrison Barnes SF 23 GSW 59 1812 12.0 .544 .316 .225 8.5 8.1 1.1 0.4 7.4 15.8 4.3 .113 0.1 -0.5 -0.4 0.7
05 Evan Fournier SF 23 ORL 71 2277 14.4 .579 .425 .249 4.9 12.7 1.9 0.1 10.8 19.7 5.0 .106 1.9 -1.4 0.6 1.5
06 Solomon Hill SF 24 IND 51 660 10.7 .499 .326 .243 10.0 9.6 1.9 1.2 11.1 12.0 1.4 .105 -2.0 1.3 -0.7 0.2
07 Kent Bazemore SF 26 ATL 70 1935 12.9 .547 .416 .206 9.6 12.1 2.2 1.3 14.4 19.8 3.5 .088 -1.4 1.3 -0.1 0.9
08 Maurice Harkless SF 22 POR 71 1263 12.6 .544 .353 .274 9.9 7.0 1.5 1.7 12.9 15.3 2.3 .086 -0.8 0.0 -0.9 0.4
09 Chase Budinger SF 27 TOT 60 865 10.6 .506 .366 .223 8.9 9.6 1.7 0.8 13.1 14.3 1.4 .075 -2.1 0.3 -1.7 0.1Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
10 Jeff Green SF 29 TOT 72 2052 12.9 .512 .259 .265 8.5 10.0 1.3 1.5 9.3 19.8 2.9 .069 -1.0 -0.7 -1.6 0.2
11 Garrett Temple SF 29 WAS 73 1812 9.1 .518 .511 .246 6.0 9.7 1.7 0.7 9.4 13.9 2.5 .065 -1.0 0.0 -1.0 0.4
12 Lance Thomas SF 27 NYK 59 1313 10.5 .557 .285 .312 5.5 6.4 0.9 0.4 11.6 16.9 1.7 .061 -1.1 -2.1 -3.2 -0.4
13 Jarell Eddie SF 24 WAS 22 99 10.8 .492 .791 .093 8.0 3.0 1.0 0.8 2.2 20.3 0.1 .047 -1.3 -4.3 -5.6 -0.1
14 Cleanthony Early SF 24 NYK 11 34 7.0 .583 .667 .000 3.2 4.4 1.5 2.2 14.3 9.3 0.0 .042 -2.8 -0.6 -3.3 0.0
15 Sergey Karasev SF 22 BRK 38 366 8.9 .584 .515 .379 7.7 10.6 0.8 0.4 19.8 11.8 0.3 .040 -2.2 -1.8 -4.0 -0.2
16 P.J. Hairston SF 23 TOT 62 1251 7.0 .473 .590 .158 7.2 4.5 1.2 0.7 8.7 16.2 0.7 .025 -2.6 -1.4 -3.9 -0.6
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
01 DeMar DeRozan SG 26 TOR 73 2640 21.5 .551 .102 .483 7.0 20.4 1.5 0.7 9.5 29.7 9.3 .169 2.6 -1.2 1.4 2.3
02 Tyler Johnson SG 23 MIA 36 863 13.8 .581 .289 .264 7.2 14.1 1.4 1.3 14.8 16.8 2.1 .114 0.4 0.1 0.5 0.5
03 Troy Daniels SG 24 CHO 39 386 14.7 .613 .626 .058 6.8 7.2 1.0 0.6 10.2 20.7 0.8 .105 1.1 -2.8 -1.7 0.0
04 Nicolas Batum SG 27 CHO 65 2317 15.8 .549 .460 .226 9.7 26.5 1.3 1.5 17.7 21.3 4.9 .101 1.2 1.1 2.3 2.5
05 Leandro Barbosa SG 33 GSW 62 980 12.1 .545 .297 .182 5.6 11.4 2.1 0.7 11.3 18.2 0.9 .099 -1.0 -0.9 -1.9 0.0
06 Allen Crabbe SG 23 POR 74 1925 12.2 .568 .416 .158 5.6 7.2 1.5 0.6 8.1 16.6 3.9 .098 0.3 -1.1 -0.8 0.6
07 Brandon Rush SG 30 GSW 65 990 10.3 .556 .593 .114 9.1 7.3 1.0 1.5 10.1 12.5 1.9 .093 -1.1 -0.1 -1.2 0.2
08 Evan Turner SG 27 BOS 74 2051 13.6 .507 .114 .237 9.4 24.0 1.7 0.9 16.7 18.5 3.7 .086 -2.0 1.3 -0.7 0.7
09 Courtney Lee SG 30 TOT 71 2088 12.0 .566 .341 .195 4.9 8.9 1.8 1.0 9.8 14.9 2.2 .086 -0.2 -0.3 -0.5 0.8Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
10 Ian Clark SG 24 GSW 61 556 12.0 .549 .415 .170 6.5 15.6 1.4 1.6 16.3 19.9 0.9 .080 -1.5 -1.3 -2.9 -0.1
11 Bradley Beal SG 22 WAS 50 1554 15.6 .547 .336 .219 6.2 15.5 1.5 0.5 11.1 25.4 2.5 .076 1.0 -1.7 -0.8 0.5
12 Jerryd Bayless SG 27 MIL 52 1505 12.5 .568 .529 .206 5.3 16.2 1.6 0.6 13.3 16.5 2.4 .076 1.1 -2.1 -1.0 0.4
13 E'Twaun Moore SG 26 CHI 56 1182 11.5 .553 .263 .096 5.5 11.9 1.4 1.0 11.8 15.9 1.8 .074 -1.1 -0.6 -1.7 0.1
14 Eric Gordon SG 27 NOP 45 1481 13.6 .565 .533 .226 3.7 12.8 1.4 0.8 10.7 20.3 2.2 .072 1.7 -2.0 -0.3 0.6
15 Gerald Henderson SG 28 POR 66 1290 13.0 .527 .268 .272 8.3 7.8 1.3 1.2 10.0 20.0 1.9 .071 -2.0 -1.3 -3.3 -0.4Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
16 Arron Afflalo SG 30 NYK 65 2200 11.1 .534 .294 .168 6.1 9.8 0.5 0.3 8.8 18.1 2.5 .055 -0.5 -1.8 -2.3 -0.2
17 Kevin Martin SG 32 TOT 50 995 11.4 .516 .313 .412 5.5 8.5 1.1 0.2 9.3 22.7 1.0 .050 -1.4 -3.4 -4.8 -0.7
18 Dion Waiters SG 24 OKC 71 1967 9.0 .490 .338 .204 5.1 9.4 1.8 0.5 13.4 17.4 1.8 .044 -1.7 -0.6 -2.4 -0.2
19 Jordan Clarkson SG 23 LAL 72 2315 14.5 .515 .277 .190 6.6 14.2 1.7 0.2 10.1 22.9 2.0 .041 0.6 -2.1 -1.5 0.3
20 Markel Brown SG 24 BRK 54 772 10.9 .510 .398 .343 6.3 13.6 1.8 0.7 12.8 18.1 0.6 .040 -1.1 -1.9 -3.0 -0.2
21 Gerald Green SG 30 MIA 62 1438 9.2 .480 .443 .158 6.0 5.7 1.1 1.0 7.5 19.6 1.1 .037 -1.8 -1.7 -3.5 -0.5
22 Sasha Vujacic SG 31 NYK 55 745 9.4 .463 .509 .147 8.8 13.9 2.1 0.3 13.4 16.7 0.5 .030 -1.8 -0.7 -2.5 -0.1
23 Randy Foye SG 32 TOT 74 1500 7.6 .458 .532 .151 5.5 14.3 1.2 1.3 14.0 15.7 0.4 .013 -2.2 -1.3 -3.4 -0.5
24 O.J. Mayo SG 28 MIL 41 1090 7.7 .474 .505 .125 5.5 15.9 2.2 0.6 17.5 17.0 -0.1 -0.004 -1.9 -1.5 -3.4 -0.4
He needs to be the top target.
also, thanks for putting this together - handy guide!
mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.
170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.
ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.
Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.
Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.
OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.
Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.
OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.
so whats your move? How do you hope the build? Sell melo and start from scratch/kp?
I agree that this crop is rather thin and Phil has to be careful not to feel pressure to overpay for someone that isn't really worth it. I think he'll be patient even tho the clamour will be loud. It's going to be interesting to see how this summer goes as opposed to last summer.
There are some young developing prospects that could be interesting targets. I think Phil will be very aggressive going after some of them if the big targets aren't an option.
nixluva wrote:I've added Derozan to the list above. I actually thought he wasn't up until next year.I agree that this crop is rather thin and Phil has to be careful not to feel pressure to overpay for someone that isn't really worth it. I think he'll be patient even tho the clamour will be loud. It's going to be interesting to see how this summer goes as opposed to last summer.
There are some young developing prospects that could be interesting targets. I think Phil will be very aggressive going after some of them if the big targets aren't an option.
I love WS48NIX 
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.
He will probably make more then 20mil.
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.He will probably make more then 20mil.
DeRozan will probably get a starting contract of $25M
That starts with DeRozan, a lock to decline his option and hit free agency this summer. A bunch of teams, including DeRozan's hometown Lakers, are prepared to offer him a max deal starting at $25 million per season, and the Raptors know they will have to spend big to keep him.
I wonder if there is a team that has available guards and are willing to take on D.Williams in a swap. We can probably refill the F position easier then the guard position through FA.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.
Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.
OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.so whats your move? How do you hope the build? Sell melo and start from scratch/kp?
If you're going to spend big money you've got to go after someone like Derozan IMO. That type of player is highly likely to have a net positive impact on your team. That's about all you can do. There are no guarantees. You make the best decision you can and roll the dice. I think Phil most certainly would have to go HARD after the top guys this summer.
I think they've sufficiently pissed off AA enough for him to opt out. That extra money will come in handy. I expect DWill will do the same. If you're Phil and you have a solid frontcourt you then simply MUST go hard after the top SG's and PG's that you can afford.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.
Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.
OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.so whats your move? How do you hope the build? Sell melo and start from scratch/kp?
Yes and buy good bargains. That could mean 3 mil contracts for guys who give 4 mil in production or could mean much bigger contracts.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.
Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.
OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.so whats your move? How do you hope the build? Sell melo and start from scratch/kp?
Yes and buy good bargains. That could mean 3 mil contracts for guys who give 4 mil in production or could mean much bigger contracts.
yeah ... not going to happen.
and who are your 3 for 4m?
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)
Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.
Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.
Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.
OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.so whats your move? How do you hope the build? Sell melo and start from scratch/kp?
Yes and buy good bargains. That could mean 3 mil contracts for guys who give 4 mil in production or could mean much bigger contracts.yeah ... not going to happen.
and who are your 3 for 4m?
I have no idea what price different FAs are going to get. You'd have to do a ton of interviewing and see who takes a good bargain. I also don't have the time I used to have to look at all the major advanced stats for every FA. I do have enough time to easily spot someone who's going to get paid double what the advanced stats say he's worth though.
Durant's the only player on that list that I think is worth a max contract. He's a health risk but it's a risk you'd have to take.
Edit: I do think David Lee at around $4 mil would be a great bargain, though. I think if you add a bunch of great bargains like that it will improve the team more than blowing all our cap space to overpay one guy will. The improvement would then make us more appealing the next summer.
SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks could add Conley and Batum and some depth I would be ecstatic
batum at what price?