Knicks · Jackson Pushing to Keep Rambis (page 2)
callmened wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:joec32033 wrote:If Rambis is coach, we riot.
If this happens I think i'll just give up. I don't think I have any energy left to deal with anymore franchise crippling mistakes.
I will definitely be done with the knicks, this board, and NBA league pass.
To hire a coach just because he is your friend, but clearly isn't qualify (why wasn't he your first choice, instead of a player) shows just how narrow minded phil is. he basically is saying, I'm not hiring or interviewing any other coach, and no other system works but the triangle....
if phil does this, he certainly will get a "Fck U phil" Tshirt delivered to his office.
I agree. like this will be a new low. I can deal with the tanking, new coaches, new philosophy...but this is straight up nepotism at its finest. this is stubbornness. phil is getting on my last nerve. ill see what he does this summer. but my patience is running thin
I really just can't imagine him doing anything different.
If he gets me Conley or Jennings, I'll be a good little hostage.
Jennings is a mediocre NBA PG who thinks hes good. he sounds more attainable for the knicks.
EnySpree wrote:What is wrong with Rambis being the head coach? Everyone is made that Grant wasn't playing, but other than that what can you bring up that's bad about the way Rambis is coaching. Please don't cry about Affalo
He sucks.
how about playing 30+ melo 40 mins when playoffs were out of reach?
knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:joec32033 wrote:If Rambis is coach, we riot.
If this happens I think i'll just give up. I don't think I have any energy left to deal with anymore franchise crippling mistakes.
I will definitely be done with the knicks, this board, and NBA league pass.
To hire a coach just because he is your friend, but clearly isn't qualify (why wasn't he your first choice, instead of a player) shows just how narrow minded phil is. he basically is saying, I'm not hiring or interviewing any other coach, and no other system works but the triangle....
if phil does this, he certainly will get a "Fck U phil" Tshirt delivered to his office.
this is exactly the kind of nepotism / favoritism that this franchise reeked of during the isiah thomas era
Is he qualified? Was Fisher? was Phil when he was promoted? Was Luke Walton? No, you have to go on gut.
Was Rambis experience in Minny valuable? of course, coaches get better with experience.
Now, the big thing is not Rambis vs. Luke, its the talent on the floor!!!!!
I don't know what happened with this team that it went from .500 to what it is now. Fish was there for ascent, and the decline. Was it coaching? In part, but really its the back court and GodZingis hitting his wall.
Personally, I want a starphuch hope induced coach but the reality is Rambis is qualified and if you read up on his Minnesota experience its not that unreasonable. Don't we like assistant coach's from championship teams? Thibs from Boston, Luke from GS, and Rambis from Lakers.
"IM DONE", "Im not buying league Pass!!!".........
Nalod been there for a few years now. Games are not worth my time anymore but I follow the team and watch when I can. With no pick, lackluster play, its obvious this is a listless scenario which reaction to rumors are just not worth the emotion. Read an article how "Since the guy who hired Ujiri now works for Izof, whose the guy that got Phil to NY maybe can steer Ujiri, cuz after all he beat Dolan up on two trades!!" Then its labeled "Dolans back up plan". Not its not, its the creation of a rumor.
If Phil wants to really be part of the day to day and Ramibis is his proxy, then let the guy who has more rings than fingers try it. Its not starphuchedly interesting, but then we all know that when the knicks Starphuch its really a step backwards in the long run. Since many of us are prone to crave the big name assuming it translates to winning we react in kind.
Thus, boring might be the path to rebuilding. Right now just cuz we can't see it don't mean it can't happen. We don't starphuch well. Only instance was the hiring of Pat Riley.
So some of you would pick Thibs over Phil?
crzymdups wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:Is this really news? Wasn't Phil already considering Rambis as an option? There's nothing new in the article. All they did was highlight the obvious that Phil is "giving strong consideration" to making Rambis permanent. That doesn't mean that he WILL make Rambis the Head Coach. This notion that Phil has to "push" for keeping Rambis is also kind of silly. Why would that be something he would have trouble getting done?One reason I was thinking Phil would replace Rambis was to help with FA's this summer in addition to actually getting a coach that might have a better rapport with the players. But if Phil doesn't really care about how that will impact things in FA, then I can see him sticking with Rambis. He knows what to expect with Rambis and they have a very close relationship. Personally I would rather see a new coach but i'm not gonna be bent out of shape if Rambis stays. IMO the most important thing is improving the roster. It always starts with the talent.
Also Rambis is not ruining KP. He's seriously trying to help the kid expand his game. I trust their developmental skills. They did a very good job with Bynum.
I'm sure the part of Phil having to push for his hiring is just writer talk......actually this is all just writer talk even though it's something we've all had in the back of our minds as a big option of Phil giving the full time gig to Rambis. I absolutely do see his hiring being something that free agents will have in mind about how we'll definitely now be a complete triangle team and about his record as a head coach and not sure they'll look at the fact that his bad record mostly came from really bad teams in Minnesota.With a legit back court to go with our front court i do believe that Rambis can win but the season is almost over and in every post game he's still talking about how far the guys we have now are away from knowing the triangle and where to be and what to do so now we have to bring in some new players that have to learn a system that the guys we have now can't get down in a full season. That's not good.
I won't be shocked or too angry if he's hired but it's not something i would be looking forward to.
I think he'll have to convince Melo and Dolan that Rambis is the right move.
You know - the actual decision makers in the organization.
While we can foreshadow for sure........Perhaps if Rambis stays its a sign the rebuilding might contain an element where Melo is traded and the assets are to be molded by PHil with Rambis as his proxy?
Im only speculating. That's all that's in the Media. For all we know Phil has Luke locked up as he wants another young guy to mold but in respect to GS and their quest he is diverting with rumors of Rambis.
Again, its just ole' Nalod speaking his mind, no basis other than conceptual mind vomit I am sharing.
Nalod wrote:crzymdups wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:Is this really news? Wasn't Phil already considering Rambis as an option? There's nothing new in the article. All they did was highlight the obvious that Phil is "giving strong consideration" to making Rambis permanent. That doesn't mean that he WILL make Rambis the Head Coach. This notion that Phil has to "push" for keeping Rambis is also kind of silly. Why would that be something he would have trouble getting done?One reason I was thinking Phil would replace Rambis was to help with FA's this summer in addition to actually getting a coach that might have a better rapport with the players. But if Phil doesn't really care about how that will impact things in FA, then I can see him sticking with Rambis. He knows what to expect with Rambis and they have a very close relationship. Personally I would rather see a new coach but i'm not gonna be bent out of shape if Rambis stays. IMO the most important thing is improving the roster. It always starts with the talent.
Also Rambis is not ruining KP. He's seriously trying to help the kid expand his game. I trust their developmental skills. They did a very good job with Bynum.
I'm sure the part of Phil having to push for his hiring is just writer talk......actually this is all just writer talk even though it's something we've all had in the back of our minds as a big option of Phil giving the full time gig to Rambis. I absolutely do see his hiring being something that free agents will have in mind about how we'll definitely now be a complete triangle team and about his record as a head coach and not sure they'll look at the fact that his bad record mostly came from really bad teams in Minnesota.With a legit back court to go with our front court i do believe that Rambis can win but the season is almost over and in every post game he's still talking about how far the guys we have now are away from knowing the triangle and where to be and what to do so now we have to bring in some new players that have to learn a system that the guys we have now can't get down in a full season. That's not good.
I won't be shocked or too angry if he's hired but it's not something i would be looking forward to.
I think he'll have to convince Melo and Dolan that Rambis is the right move.
You know - the actual decision makers in the organization.
While we can foreshadow for sure........Perhaps if Rambis stays its a sign the rebuilding might contain an element where Melo is traded and the assets are to be molded by PHil with Rambis as his proxy?
Im only speculating. That's all that's in the Media. For all we know Phil has Luke locked up as he wants another young guy to mold but in respect to GS and their quest he is diverting with rumors of Rambis.
Again, its just ole' Nalod speaking his mind, no basis other than conceptual mind vomit I am sharing.
I hear you, we're all just trying to read the tea leaves since the games are so boring and meaningless.
One thing though - if Melo moves it'll be his call. Maybe Phil can do a master psychology thing on him, but Melo still has to agree to any trade.
I could see it happening to the Clippers - but I'm getting the sense that it'd be this summer if Free Agency is a strike out, or possibly next season at the trade deadline if it looks like the team is still mired in sub-mediocrity and Melo would miss the playoffs for the 4th straight year.
Cartman718 wrote:EnySpree wrote:What is wrong with Rambis being the head coach? Everyone is made that Grant wasn't playing, but other than that what can you bring up that's bad about the way Rambis is coaching. Please don't cry about Affalo
He sucks.
how about playing 30+ melo 40 mins when playoffs were out of reach?
I have no problem with Melo getting minutes. He takes a lot of days off in the course of the season anyway. One thing Melo has been getting really good at is playing in some meaningless games like All Star game and Olympics and taking in season games off.
Rambis is a very good coach for a bad team and the Knicks are bad he will take the losses in stride and keep fighting the good fight. Besides the next coach that comes in will get the same treatment there comes a time when stability no matter what comes first. I thought Fisher was doing a good job but he brought instability with his off court drama.
Cartman718 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:joec32033 wrote:If Rambis is coach, we riot.
If this happens I think i'll just give up. I don't think I have any energy left to deal with anymore franchise crippling mistakes.
I will definitely be done with the knicks, this board, and NBA league pass.
To hire a coach just because he is your friend, but clearly isn't qualify (why wasn't he your first choice, instead of a player) shows just how narrow minded phil is. he basically is saying, I'm not hiring or interviewing any other coach, and no other system works but the triangle....
if phil does this, he certainly will get a "Fck U phil" Tshirt delivered to his office.
this is exactly the kind of nepotism / favoritism that this franchise reeked of during the isiah thomas era
Except Rambis was an assistant on a multi championship team under the most decorated coach in history. Thibs won under Rivers and in my opinion has exceeded Rivers. Thibs Tenure in Chicago was successful in part because his roster was very very good!!!
Without a substantial upgrade in the back court your expectation of a coaching upgrade could be met with disappointment.
Nalod wrote:Rambis is an extension of Phil and if phil, who has been and wants to going forward run practice with Rambis and extend his authority than why is that so bad?
Is he qualified? Was Fisher? was Phil when he was promoted? Was Luke Walton? No, you have to go on gut.
Was Rambis experience in Minny valuable? of course, coaches get better with experience.Now, the big thing is not Rambis vs. Luke, its the talent on the floor!!!!!
I don't know what happened with this team that it went from .500 to what it is now. Fish was there for ascent, and the decline. Was it coaching? In part, but really its the back court and GodZingis hitting his wall.Personally, I want a starphuch hope induced coach but the reality is Rambis is qualified and if you read up on his Minnesota experience its not that unreasonable. Don't we like assistant coach's from championship teams? Thibs from Boston, Luke from GS, and Rambis from Lakers.
"IM DONE", "Im not buying league Pass!!!".........
Nalod been there for a few years now. Games are not worth my time anymore but I follow the team and watch when I can. With no pick, lackluster play, its obvious this is a listless scenario which reaction to rumors are just not worth the emotion. Read an article how "Since the guy who hired Ujiri now works for Izof, whose the guy that got Phil to NY maybe can steer Ujiri, cuz after all he beat Dolan up on two trades!!" Then its labeled "Dolans back up plan". Not its not, its the creation of a rumor.
If Phil wants to really be part of the day to day and Ramibis is his proxy, then let the guy who has more rings than fingers try it. Its not starphuchedly interesting, but then we all know that when the knicks Starphuch its really a step backwards in the long run. Since many of us are prone to crave the big name assuming it translates to winning we react in kind.
Thus, boring might be the path to rebuilding. Right now just cuz we can't see it don't mean it can't happen. We don't starphuch well. Only instance was the hiring of Pat Riley.
So some of you would pick Thibs over Phil?
Rambis is an extension of Phil........other than being a triangle coach...what else makes rambis an extension of phil...his super smarts???
GTFOH
No, you have to go on gut.......whose gut exactly? Yours? Phils? This entire forum's? Phil was wrong about Fisher being able to coach this team as a rookie coach and he is wrong about Rambis being able to coach this team as well. Do you see Melo rebelling against Rambis or Thibs?
I don't know what happened with this team that it went from .500 to what it is now..... Great for you, you can be blind and ignorant all you want. This is what happened...Preacher Fisher couldn't handle the team for long and Xs and Os Coach Fisher did not exist.
Don't we like assistant coach's from championship teams? Thibs from Boston, Luke from GS, and Rambis from Lakers....Nothing wrong with assistant coaches...unless of course they are made for that role and that role alone....which is the case with Rambis.
Nalod been there for a few years now...referring to yourself in the 3rd person again...reminds me of Playa2 a bit.
We don't starphuch well? How many teams do?
Nalod wrote:Cartman718 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Clean wrote:joec32033 wrote:If Rambis is coach, we riot.
If this happens I think i'll just give up. I don't think I have any energy left to deal with anymore franchise crippling mistakes.
I will definitely be done with the knicks, this board, and NBA league pass.
To hire a coach just because he is your friend, but clearly isn't qualify (why wasn't he your first choice, instead of a player) shows just how narrow minded phil is. he basically is saying, I'm not hiring or interviewing any other coach, and no other system works but the triangle....
if phil does this, he certainly will get a "Fck U phil" Tshirt delivered to his office.
this is exactly the kind of nepotism / favoritism that this franchise reeked of during the isiah thomas era
Except Rambis was an assistant on a multi championship team under the most decorated coach in history. Thibs won under Rivers and in my opinion has exceeded Rivers. Thibs Tenure in Chicago was successful in part because his roster was very very good!!!
Without a substantial upgrade in the back court your expectation of a coaching upgrade could be met with disappointment.
Roster was very good??? Again...GTFOH... What did Shaq and Kobe do before Phil got there...got swept by Jazz??
What did Jimmy Butler do under Thibs tenure...only become the DPOY candidate, this is not all on Jimmmy Butler's tenacity. He took on that persona from Thibs.
Meanwhile Rambis is busy watching p0rn.
crzymdups wrote:Nalod wrote:crzymdups wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:Is this really news? Wasn't Phil already considering Rambis as an option? There's nothing new in the article. All they did was highlight the obvious that Phil is "giving strong consideration" to making Rambis permanent. That doesn't mean that he WILL make Rambis the Head Coach. This notion that Phil has to "push" for keeping Rambis is also kind of silly. Why would that be something he would have trouble getting done?One reason I was thinking Phil would replace Rambis was to help with FA's this summer in addition to actually getting a coach that might have a better rapport with the players. But if Phil doesn't really care about how that will impact things in FA, then I can see him sticking with Rambis. He knows what to expect with Rambis and they have a very close relationship. Personally I would rather see a new coach but i'm not gonna be bent out of shape if Rambis stays. IMO the most important thing is improving the roster. It always starts with the talent.
Also Rambis is not ruining KP. He's seriously trying to help the kid expand his game. I trust their developmental skills. They did a very good job with Bynum.
I'm sure the part of Phil having to push for his hiring is just writer talk......actually this is all just writer talk even though it's something we've all had in the back of our minds as a big option of Phil giving the full time gig to Rambis. I absolutely do see his hiring being something that free agents will have in mind about how we'll definitely now be a complete triangle team and about his record as a head coach and not sure they'll look at the fact that his bad record mostly came from really bad teams in Minnesota.With a legit back court to go with our front court i do believe that Rambis can win but the season is almost over and in every post game he's still talking about how far the guys we have now are away from knowing the triangle and where to be and what to do so now we have to bring in some new players that have to learn a system that the guys we have now can't get down in a full season. That's not good.
I won't be shocked or too angry if he's hired but it's not something i would be looking forward to.
I think he'll have to convince Melo and Dolan that Rambis is the right move.
You know - the actual decision makers in the organization.
While we can foreshadow for sure........Perhaps if Rambis stays its a sign the rebuilding might contain an element where Melo is traded and the assets are to be molded by PHil with Rambis as his proxy?
Im only speculating. That's all that's in the Media. For all we know Phil has Luke locked up as he wants another young guy to mold but in respect to GS and their quest he is diverting with rumors of Rambis.
Again, its just ole' Nalod speaking his mind, no basis other than conceptual mind vomit I am sharing.I hear you, we're all just trying to read the tea leaves since the games are so boring and meaningless.
One thing though - if Melo moves it'll be his call. Maybe Phil can do a master psychology thing on him, but Melo still has to agree to any trade.
I could see it happening to the Clippers - but I'm getting the sense that it'd be this summer if Free Agency is a strike out, or possibly next season at the trade deadline if it looks like the team is still mired in sub-mediocrity and Melo would miss the playoffs for the 4th straight year.
NBA rosters might be a very active summer given the salary cap, but also the disparity of talent. Basically you have three teams that stand out. Cleveland has the talent to make a finals very interesting. Last year Lebron damn near had them up 3-0!!!! They are not a fully functional team but the playoffs are a different story.
Spurs might be the best built for playoffs. Naturally staying healthy is the key to any run.
After that, you have OKC and Durant, and the Clippers. OKC if they don't get far might be time for a change, as well as Clips. Boston is holding a lot of assets while Miami seems to hang in there. Minnesota has another lottery pick while Philly does as well. The key to winning is Rookies and Vets, not just Rookies. With this disparity I can see teams looking make changes to elevate their situation.
We are irrelevant in this draft, and I don't see a big splash in free agency unless Derek Williams and AA leave. I assume one might. That said, I can see PHil doing something like RoPez where he sees potential. I think he saw it with KOQ but not everything works as planned. Seraphin was a low cost no risk proposition. Jose, for al his warts is still our best guard!!! If Jose was on SAS he'd be very respected. He is a role player, not a cornerstone talent.
I think with the expanded cap it allows some teams to absorb Melo's contract in a trade scenario. With that, there a many opportunities the potentially happen. Clippers, Rockets, OKC, Chicago, boston and Miami are all on the fringe of contending or dropping. Someone wants Melo bad, and if the feeling is mutual, assets will start moving and Melo may want to move as the knicks might want to continue to do something not popular with most fans.
If this excites Phil, he'll want to be on the floor.
ccch wrote:Unbelievable...in 2 full yrs with Minnesota he was 32 and 132. Now we're going to hire this guy...it's like a nightmare.
If we bring in Jonny Flynn to run the triangle and Kahn is your GM, Im sure Rambis would agree with you!
Nalod wrote:Rambis is an extension of Phil and if phil, who has been and wants to going forward run practice with Rambis and extend his authority than why is that so bad?
Is he qualified? Was Fisher? was Phil when he was promoted? Was Luke Walton? No, you have to go on gut.
Was Rambis experience in Minny valuable? of course, coaches get better with experience.Now, the big thing is not Rambis vs. Luke, its the talent on the floor!!!!!
I don't know what happened with this team that it went from .500 to what it is now. Fish was there for ascent, and the decline. Was it coaching? In part, but really its the back court and GodZingis hitting his wall.Personally, I want a starphuch hope induced coach but the reality is Rambis is qualified and if you read up on his Minnesota experience its not that unreasonable. Don't we like assistant coach's from championship teams? Thibs from Boston, Luke from GS, and Rambis from Lakers.
"IM DONE", "Im not buying league Pass!!!".........
Nalod been there for a few years now. Games are not worth my time anymore but I follow the team and watch when I can. With no pick, lackluster play, its obvious this is a listless scenario which reaction to rumors are just not worth the emotion. Read an article how "Since the guy who hired Ujiri now works for Izof, whose the guy that got Phil to NY maybe can steer Ujiri, cuz after all he beat Dolan up on two trades!!" Then its labeled "Dolans back up plan". Not its not, its the creation of a rumor.
If Phil wants to really be part of the day to day and Ramibis is his proxy, then let the guy who has more rings than fingers try it. Its not starphuchedly interesting, but then we all know that when the knicks Starphuch its really a step backwards in the long run. Since many of us are prone to crave the big name assuming it translates to winning we react in kind.
Thus, boring might be the path to rebuilding. Right now just cuz we can't see it don't mean it can't happen. We don't starphuch well. Only instance was the hiring of Pat Riley.
So some of you would pick Thibs over Phil?
so what don't you like about what the knicks are doing?
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...
Phil Jackson is more vocal at Knicks practices since Kurt Rambis replaced Derek Fisher as head coach in February. For Jackson, it really is the best of both worlds; he can satisfy his coaching appetite without having the losses tarnish his resume.Several players confirmed that they have noticed Jackson taking a more active role in helping Rambis run the team. Fisher mostly resisted Jackson’s input, especially in front of the team because he felt it undermined his authority.
Most head coaches would agree with Fisher, including a much younger Phil Jackson whose feuds with former Chicago Bulls general manager Jerry Krause were legendary. But as an executive, the 70-year-old Jackson fired his first-ever coaching hire less than two years into the job because Fisher wanted to run the team his way. Rambis, meanwhile, is Jackson’s preferred choice to keep the job because Rambis is more than willing to do things Jackson’s way.
If the Knicks really do belong to Jackson and he has full autonomy over personnel decisions, then Rambis will receive a contract extension at some point this spring.
Rambis is Jackson’s one and only choice to coach the team and Jackson even has the blessing of Irving Azoff, the famous manager of the Eagles who brokered the deal with James Dolan to bring Jackson to New York 25 months ago. Azoff, a business partner with Dolan, is also close with Rambis and his wife.
Despite more accomplished coaching candidates available and despite Carmelo Anthony endorsing a comprehensive coaching search, Jackson is committed to his former aide and long-time friend. The Knicks have even started a smear campaign in the media against the top candidate available, former Knicks assistant coach Tom Thibodeau, who owns a .647 career winning percentage.
Only the Knicks could be foolish and arrogant enough to invite comparisons between Thibodeau and Rambis, who has a .284 career winning percentage including an 8-16 record with the Knicks. There was even innuendo of Thibodeau fighting with the Bulls’ front office as if that were exclusive to just him. Vinny Del Negro and Scott Skiles also had well publicized issues with Chicago’s front office. And perhaps Jackson has a temporary case of amnesia but he was usually at odds with Bulls and Lakers management as well.
It’s not about results or relationships. It’s about Jackson being able to have more control over the team and the style they play with his guy in charge. And that’s Rambis.
Rambis has scored points with the media with his engaging personality and honest assessments of the team. However, he has not exactly won over the locker room and two players he needs most are Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis.
Rambis and Jackson also need the blessing of Dolan, the Chairman of Madison Square Garden. Dolan reportedly isn’t entirely opposed to Rambis but he’s not quite ready to sign off on hiring him either.
If Dolan rejects Jackson’s recommendation, there could be chaos and crisis at the home office.
To Dolan’s credit, he is giving himself a safety net for when Jackson’s contract expires in two seasons or if Jackson decides to step away or is fired before his deal runs out.
Among the list of potential successors is believed to be Toronto Raptors GM Masai Ujiri, the highly regarded Africa-born executive who has an interesting history with Dolan.
The two worked on the Anthony trade when Ujiri worked for the Denver Nuggets. Ujiri also traded Andrea Bargnani to the Knicks for this year’s first-round pick and was prepared to trade Kyle Lowry to New York a few seasons ago before Dolan vetoed the move.
So clearly, this falls under the category, “if you can’t beat him, hire him.”
It’s also worth noting that Ujiri was originally brought to Toronto by Tim Leiweke, former CEO of Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) and Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment (MLSE). Leiweke has since left Toronto and has started a business with Azoff. There’s that man again.
Ujiri is under contract for two more years so even if he wanted to leave Toronto there is no guarantee the Raptors would let him out of his deal. But that’s not the point. What’s interesting is that Dolan is already working on a back-up plan while Jackson’s builds a case for keeping Rambis.
mreinman wrote:can ujiri be a good GM if he does not have the knicks as a fleecing punching bag?
I question why he'd leave the Raptors? But apparently Irving Azoff knows him and is the actual power broker of the Knicks.
What a mess.
Knixkik wrote:I don't think there is a prblem with keeping Rambis in general. He hasn't done a great job but not sure anyone can with having such a poor back court, and there is no question that having Phil closer to the team is a plus. The concern is, there are better coaching candidates out there who would accept a position with the Knicks. Thibs and Shaw to name 2. That's my issue with this whole thing.
I'll take Rambis over Shaw any day of the week.
If Melo ends up waiving his NTC and we trade him then i really won't have any problem with Rambis getting the full time job because i do think he's a good teacher for the young players and without Melo it will be at least 3 years until we're any good of a team and when 3 years comes around Phil will be gone and Rambis and the triangle will follow him out the door unless Phil miraculously builds the team back up quickly and gets the right guys in to play with KP and R.Lopez and everything works in the triangle with the new team which in 3 years we'll know which way to go and whoever the new GM/President is can make the decision on keeping Rambis and the triangle or whoever our head coach is at that time.