Knicks · That Minnesota team is going to be a dynasty (page 2)
BRIGGS wrote:Great post player = Towns
Great Winh player = Wiggins
Third wheel = Zach Lavine (ehhhhhh?)
Excellent role players Dieng Muhhammed RubioNext year they get back a solid back up C Pekovic that Russian 3 point shooter back up (Bjelica)
They will have 35mm in cap space a top 5 pick and a #45 pick
They made the move to bring in vets Prince Garnett etc.. and while it mightve helped--they weren't the best players--theyve been getting better as is. One year of growth and they have the goods to make great additions.
the talent and foundation are there. they just need the coaching. Mitchell is HORRIBLE! (plays weird rotations like Prince starting over Muhammad), doesn't believe in 3pt shooting or spacing and thought that Lavine was actually a PG. yes with another draft pick, they should be ok. Pekovic is built like STEEL but made out of pink paper (always hurt). Bjelica can shoot but CANT do anything else. They have a gem in Dieng (solid defender) and an underrated Rubio (solid defender). Like I said, the pieces are there...they just need a COACH!
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.
As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Lavine reminds me a suped up Gerald Wilkins. He really needs to learn how to play defense.
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
They're young and they have potential. Right now they look like the kind of overrated players that people who don't look at the advanced stats love. Then the stat analysts remind them there's a reason the team is at .300.
NYKBocker wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Lavine reminds me a suped up Gerald Wilkins. He really needs to learn how to play defense.
Yeah Lavine and Wiggins have some brutal defensive numbers.
Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
They're young and they have potential. Right now they look like the kind of overrated players that people who don't look at the advanced stats love. Then the stat analysts remind them there's a reason the team is at .300.
How about their guys are 20 years old. I think its kind of stupid to use advanced stats on a 20 yo. Just watch the kids--they good!
Wow look at all those eggs in the carton.... we're going to have a great breakfast
knick fan haters be like:
Those eggs would be lucky to make it to the frying pan without spoiling, falling to the ground and breaking or spilling on the counter while your preparing them. I we got a big family so those eggs will never be enough for a great breakfast
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
They're young and they have potential. Right now they look like the kind of overrated players that people who don't look at the advanced stats love. Then the stat analysts remind them there's a reason the team is at .300.How about their guys are 20 years old. I think its kind of stupid to use advanced stats on a 20 yo. Just watch the kids--they good!
How smart is it to project that a .300 team made up of 20 year olds is going to be a dynasty?
callmened wrote:I actually think Towns could be a top 10 player. as exciting as Wiggins is, im kinda skeptical of how much better he can get. need to see more consistency on defense and outside shooting. Lavine is finally starting to come around since they ended his PG experiment. all these kids are young so ALOT could happen. they just need a good COACH!
Yeah, exactly. Almost anything could happen. It's silly to make projections, and it's definitely not wise to make an extreme projection (either that they'll be extremely great or bad). The extremes are always the least likely outcome.
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
Towns is a two way player but Wiggins, he doesn't appear to be. That to me is a huge issue with building a cornerstone around two guys.
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
They're young and they have potential. Right now they look like the kind of overrated players that people who don't look at the advanced stats love. Then the stat analysts remind them there's a reason the team is at .300.How about their guys are 20 years old. I think its kind of stupid to use advanced stats on a 20 yo. Just watch the kids--they good!
How many times have their been collections of talented young players that fell apart before?
Bullets with Sheed, Webber, Juwan, Rod Strickland
GSW with Webber, Sprewell, Mullin, Hardaway
Hornets with LJ and Alonzo
TWolves with Marbury, KG, Googs
I mean you can list tons and tons of teams with great young talent.
Acquiring the talent is step one. Getting them to grow together, finding a way to keep them together and build a team around them is a hard step that can take years and most teams can't do. Player development, team management, etc.
That part doesn't just happen by magic. It's a lot of hard work and hard to do.
crzymdups wrote:
Acquiring the talent is step one. Getting them to grow together, finding a way to keep them together and build a team around them is a hard step that can take years and most teams can't do. Player development, team management, etc.That part doesn't just happen by magic. It's a lot of hard work and hard to do.
^^^ this right here!!!
Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
They're young and they have potential. Right now they look like the kind of overrated players that people who don't look at the advanced stats love. Then the stat analysts remind them there's a reason the team is at .300.How about their guys are 20 years old. I think its kind of stupid to use advanced stats on a 20 yo. Just watch the kids--they good!
How smart is it to project that a .300 team made up of 20 year olds is going to be a dynasty?
please please please post more often!
wh4t wrote:While phil has a man crush on rambo thibs would probably coach t wolves next season
If Thibs coached the Wolves, Towns might be out of the league at 27.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
They're young and they have potential. Right now they look like the kind of overrated players that people who don't look at the advanced stats love. Then the stat analysts remind them there's a reason the team is at .300.How about their guys are 20 years old. I think its kind of stupid to use advanced stats on a 20 yo. Just watch the kids--they good!
How smart is it to project that a .300 team made up of 20 year olds is going to be a dynasty?please please please post more often!
Thanks. I'll try
callmened wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Great post player = Towns
Great Winh player = Wiggins
Third wheel = Zach Lavine (ehhhhhh?)
Excellent role players Dieng Muhhammed RubioNext year they get back a solid back up C Pekovic that Russian 3 point shooter back up (Bjelica)
They will have 35mm in cap space a top 5 pick and a #45 pick
They made the move to bring in vets Prince Garnett etc.. and while it mightve helped--they weren't the best players--theyve been getting better as is. One year of growth and they have the goods to make great additions.
the talent and foundation are there. they just need the coaching. Mitchell is HORRIBLE! (plays weird rotations like Prince starting over Muhammad), doesn't believe in 3pt shooting or spacing and thought that Lavine was actually a PG. yes with another draft pick, they should be ok. Pekovic is built like STEEL but made out of pink paper (always hurt). Bjelica can shoot but CANT do anything else. They have a gem in Dieng (solid defender) and an underrated Rubio (solid defender). Like I said, the pieces are there...they just need a COACH!
How do you know that the T-Wolves brass didn't want LaVine to become a PG so they could deal Rubio? We don't know what kind of pressure has been exerted on Mitchell.
Pekovic is a terrible defender, by the way, and a black hole on offense.
I think they need Dieng to provide some toughness and rebounding because Wiggins is a sup-par rebounder at this time. Dieng takes a long time to execute his J, but it is not terrible, however the best 3PT shooters in their starting lineup are Towns and LaVine at this point, and I don't think you want Town on the perimeter to often, IMO.
I think they hoped (expected?) Bjelica could be a starter and play the stretch 4, but he's been a disappointment.
Rubio is not the perimeter defender he once was, and his shooting has simply not developed the way it had to for him to take the next step.
They have a lot of talent, but I still wonder if the present mixture of talent is lacking.
Bonn1997 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Lavine reminds me a suped up Gerald Wilkins. He really needs to learn how to play defense.
Yeah Lavine and Wiggins have some brutal defensive numbers.
Not always easy to play tough D and do a lot of running around on the offensive end. Perhaps LaVine and Wiggins have decided to spend most of their energy scoring, and not defending.
I guess they might not be the next Jordan/Pippen combo.
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:crzymdups wrote:I saw the GSW game. TWolves have an impressive array of talent, but GSW looks exhausted. They should give up quest for 73. It's going to destroy their post-season.Minnesota needs more outside shooting and a better defense.
As others have said - amassing talent is one thing. They need a coach and some luck.
Towns is great. Levine is great. I'm still not sold on Wiggins for some reason.
Is Shabazz Muhammed a free agent this year? He looked good last night.
Lavine is not great! he is athletic though but he is not even good (yet).
Yeah, Towns is the only one of their players that I'd be excited to have. And you can build a one-man team.As good as Towns is going to be Wiggins will be even better--that is the scary part. Lavine is going to be a high quality third wheel.
They're young and they have potential. Right now they look like the kind of overrated players that people who don't look at the advanced stats love. Then the stat analysts remind them there's a reason the team is at .300.How about their guys are 20 years old. I think its kind of stupid to use advanced stats on a 20 yo. Just watch the kids--they good!
How many times have their been collections of talented young players that fell apart before?
Bullets with Sheed, Webber, Juwan, Rod Strickland
GSW with Webber, Sprewell, Mullin, Hardaway
Hornets with LJ and Alonzo
TWolves with Marbury, KG, Googs
I mean you can list tons and tons of teams with great young talent.
Acquiring the talent is step one. Getting them to grow together, finding a way to keep them together and build a team around them is a hard step that can take years and most teams can't do. Player development, team management, etc.
That part doesn't just happen by magic. It's a lot of hard work and hard to do.
Okc had durant Westbrook harden ibaka Reggie jackson and a host of good other talent. The pieces need to fit together. Then you need a good coach and system
I'm in the camp that it's more likely this team never gets past first round before they disband. Starting after next years a lot of the good young talent is all going to be asking maxes and they won't have enough to go around. They also need more on the court leadership and smarts