Knicks · Phil Jackson is undoing KP nice selection..is Sin to nyk fans intelligence! (page 1)

Phil Jackson, at Woodstock, while his team
And coach goes voyage to the bottom of the sea.

Woodstock? Really Phil? Really?

Now besides killing Melo,and NYK fans
More of Kurt lame Rambis coaching 2016/2017?

This man has made me believe he could care
Less about fans plight and hope, for future

As long as his stinking stale triangle game
Gets going to prove pointless points about the
Knick GM, president.

He will never ever be any good at running,a club
His way..

Sad state, for Kristaps growth in nba.
The man whom,drafted KP has a great chance
At ruining a great young talent in KP before
His nba life and engine gets going.

NBA laughs at us again, which don't bother
Uncle Phil one little teeny bit.

Big Chief Triangle Zen master
Embarrassing !!!!

a Sin

This is like poetry, haiku, spoken word, and short Knicks proverb. All in one!

Either way it's all true. If he sticks with Rambis and wastes KP's potential, maybe he should head back to Montana.

Gotta listen to steven A on mike n mike.....this morning.

SA went hard on Phil Jackson and i agree.....

Wasting KP's potential?
Who drafted Porzingis? Phil Jackson. If not for Phil, who smartly has put a great scout in Gaines next to his ear, the Knicks would have Justice Winslow or Mudiay right now.

Who would the Knicks "media or dominant portion of the fanbase" drafted? Emanuel Mudiay
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/6/25/8846041/poll-who-should-the-knicks-draft (Link)

According to most links pre-draft, about 20% of Knick fans were willing to take KP. 80% were not. That's a huge figure. Guys like SAS were ripping Jackson for taking Porzingis. The very same Porzingis who will finish 2nd in ROY voting and has broken statistic records for a player his age. In the same Triangle offense that his game is very well suited for, that Phil Jackson of all people knew from day 1 he would fit in well with.

The team this season has been set up to see Porzingis succeed. Stan Van Gundy said that he saw a team that had 4 veteran starters, most still in prime, who greatly helped in developing the 1 young core guy in Porzingis. Meanwhile Okafor rots in Philadelphia, Mudiay has had a very unimpressive season in Denver.

We talk about having Rambis as some kind of death sentence to the team, what did Mike Woodson do with a more talented, better team 2 years ago? That's right, a 35 win team that was in the lottery. What did Mike D'Antoni do with a much better team a few years ago with a prime Melo, prime Chandler, Shump/Smith and all? That's right 1 and done playoff years barely scratching past .500 Those were all teams well over the cap, well invested in veteran players and little room to grow. Rambis is not head coach material for a team serious about winning a championship or making a playoff run. I agree with the Rambis doubt. Is this team in that boat with any coach, though? You can hire any coach, and all he'd do is change the minutes and the offense. The results are likely same give or take 3-4 wins. What you want in this situation is a coach who teaches the young players the right things. Having Rambis is more critical to Porzingis. That's the irony there. We think that Rambis is killing Porzingis potential, when it's the opposite. He'll make sure Porzingis doesn't play soft. Since taking over, I saw a significant change in how Porzingis attacked in the offense. Not right away, but within a few weeks. Was very obvious.

How about we actually give a re-build some time? There's been huge obstacles in Jackson's way. He has lost 2 lottery picks due to mistakes from people in charge before him. The 2014 and 2016 pick have been lost. Both are quality ways to improve. The opportunity is there for the team to improve. They have Porzingis, Melo and Lopez. It's a very good front court. Maybe all 3 shouldn't be starting or playing heavy minutes together (there may be a better strategy, where you bring RoLo off the bench to get more speed) but the talent is there. We've got some talent with Grant, Wroten and Galloway in the backcourt. All are likely backups with upside. It's now about the starting guards. Phil has to invest in free agency very smart and very well - focus in on the weakness at the guard spots.

Way I see it. Lets get the talent at guard spot. Lets keep our fingers crossed that young players like Porzingis, Grant, Wroten all emerge as better players next year. After that, we can talk about coaching. If Rambis fails to make a better team next year better with wins and losses, he won't last any longer than Fisher did this season. The expectations from Jackson and Dolan will be playoffs - assuming they sign some free agents to address the starting guard issues. I also don't yet believe it's a given Rambis is hired next year. Phil may like how Rambis coaches and deals with players, but he'll also be looking at a player he loved who he once called his "son" in Luke Walton. If Luke is available, I think Phil definitely has interest.

If you buy into the Hype, then you get disappointed. If you see things with out the hype, you can't get taken.

So basically the anger SA serves up feeds into the anger of your own disappointment. Phil goes to Woodstock and its a travesty. Comical.

Nalod wrote:
If you buy into the Hype, then you get disappointed. If you see things with out the hype, you can't get taken.

So basically the anger SA serves up feeds into the anger of your own disappointment. Phil goes to Woodstock and its a travesty. Comical.

Not only goes to Woodstock, but goes to Woodstock and tweets!!!

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Is the #serpent Rambis, Melo, Porzingis? Still trying to figure that shyt out.

First of all Phil and Rambis did an excellent job in developing Bynum. It's not like they have no idea how to develop bigs. There will be no undoing of KP. He was put in a position to succeed this year. They made sure he had a great nutrition and workout schedule and he actually came in much stronger than he was on draft night. People in NY drive me F'n crazy. This man and his staff have seen more winning than we can imagine. He deserves a full chance to finish what he started. WTF do most of these media and fans know about building a winner anyway? They only see it from the outside and Phil has seen it from the inside and directed it. The impatient NY fans is our worst enemy followed closely by the damned Media.

Phil tore it down in year 1 and put the team in a position to land a top pick. They select KP and he turns out to be the right guy. Phil puts a mostly new roster together last summer and since they failed to reach the playoffs now everyone wants to abandon the plan and assume Phil doesn't know what he's doing and that they all know better. Now we got SAS running his mouth again. Typical. GEEZ!

blkexec wrote:Gotta listen to steven A on mike n mike.....this morning.

SA went hard on Phil Jackson and i agree.....

care to share was SA said and what you agree with?

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:Gotta listen to steven A on mike n mike.....this morning.

SA went hard on Phil Jackson and i agree.....

care to share was SA said and what you agree with?

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=151...

Basically everything. Usually he's full of hot air, but he made alot of decent points this time.

Highlights:

-People keep mistakenly confuse Phil Jackson the coach with Phil Jackson the executive. If he was the coach of the Knicks, different story, you trust in Phil. So far, Phil DOES NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt for his repeated failures.

-Dolan basically begged Phil Jackson to sign here and got him out of his Detroit $7mill/year consulting gig and kept upping his offer to Phil. Bumped it up $8, $9, $10, and then finally $12million without Phil outlining the way he was going to fix the Knicks.

-Phil hired Fisher solely because of his ties and closeness to Kevin Durant and going full press recruiting tour on him. We all know how that turned out.

-90% of the time Phil addresses or does press conferences regarding the Knicks, it's in Los Angeles, not New York.

This among others points are all true.

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:Gotta listen to steven A on mike n mike.....this morning.

SA went hard on Phil Jackson and i agree.....

care to share was SA said and what you agree with?

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=151...

Basically everything. Usually he's full of hot air, but he made alot of decent points this time.

Highlights:

-People keep mistakenly confuse Phil Jackson the coach with Phil Jackson the executive. If he was the coach of the Knicks, different story, you trust in Phil. So far, Phil DOES NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt for his repeated failures.

-Dolan basically begged Phil Jackson to sign here and got him out of his Detroit $7mill/year consulting gig and kept upping his offer to Phil. Bumped it up $8, $9, $10, and then finally $12million without Phil outlining the way he was going to fix the Knicks.

-Phil hired Fisher solely because of his ties and closeness to Kevin Durant and going full press recruiting tour on him. We all know how that turned out.

-90% of the time Phil addresses or does press conferences regarding the Knicks, it's in Los Angeles, not New York.

This among others points are all true.

Don't forget SA belief that Dolan hired Phil to reduce the tension of fans getting ready to picket MSG, which he claims was a movement he started. I don't know if thats 100% true.....But I do believe Dolan hired Phil to try and save face, while also taking on a new hands off role. Phil's qualifications as a championship player and coach, was all Dolan needed to start his hands off strategy.

I agree with SA.....He was speaking like a typical frustrated knick fan.....I wouldn't be surprised if he had an account in here. He sounded like almost all disgruntled old school fans, who suffered for over 20 years.

What I like about SA is similar to why Trump has voters. SA doesn't take the best political approach with his comments, especially when he's name dropping. And he doesn't just attack people of opposite color. He was asking for Coach Lewis (Bengals) to be fired years ago. He talks about Phil and others, eventhough he will eventually see these guys in person. It's difficult for any of us to talk about our peers, co-workers, and still have a job.

We've done the coach thing over the years and it seems to me that the MOST important thing is the ROSTER! After the roster it seems most important to have a good fit between the coach, GM and Roster. Get that right 1st and then you can tell what the value of the coach actually is. We haven't always gotten that right. The Front Office has been a huge source of the problems. MDA was never in synch with the Front Office with minor exceptions he was in synch for small periods with the Roster, 2010-11 and during Linsanity, but the lack of synch with Dolan and the front office messed him up. When Woody got full support from the Roster and the Front Office he was able to get wins and when he had one of our best rosters in more than a decade he was able to win the most games since our last Finals team.

                                        Regular Season                  Playoffs
#  Name            Term         Games   Wins    Losses  Win %   Games   Wins    Losses  Win %
27 Kurt Rambis	  2016–Present	25	8	17	.320	—	—	—	—	—	
26 Derek Fisher*  2014–2016	136	40	96	.294	—	—	—	—		
25 Mike Woodson   2012–2014	188	109	79	.580	17	7	10	.412		
24 Mike D'Antoni  2008–2012	288	121	167	.420	4	0	4	.000		
23 Isiah Thomas   2006–2008	164	56	108	.341	—	—	—	—		
22 Larry Brown    2005–2006	82	23	59	.280	—	—	—	—		
21 Lenny Wilkens  2004–2005	81	40	41	.494	4	0	4	.000	One of the top 10 coaches in 
                                                                                                        NBA history[4]	
—  Herb Williams* 2005	        43	16	27	.372	—	—	—	—		
20 Herb Williams* 2004	        1	1	0	1.000	—	—	—	—		
19 Don Chaney     2001–2004	184	72	112	.391	—	—	—	—		
18 Jeff Van Gundy 1996–2001	420	248	172	.590	69	37	32	.536		
17 Don Nelson     1995–1996	59	34	25	.576	—	—	—	—	One of the top 10 coaches in
                                                                                                        NBA history[4]	
16 Pat Riley      1991–1995	328	223	105	.680	63	35	28	.556	1992–93 NBA Coach of the Year
                                                                                                        One of the top 10 coaches in 
                                                                                                        NBA history[4]

Some Fans, SAS and other media can complain about Phil but he's trying to have more unity from top to bottom. I can't fault him for wanting to have that. It's hard enough to win in this league without also having to deal with disharmony. When the team was 20-20 none of these guys were saying Jack ISH. Now tho it's easy for them to jump on. Things aren't ruined and there's a lot of opportunity to get things right this summer. At least allow him to actually MAKE decisions before people assume he's gonna make the wrong choice.

DJMUSIC wrote:

Phil Jackson, at Woodstock, while his team
And coach goes voyage to the bottom of the sea.

Woodstock? Really Phil? Really?

Now besides killing Melo,and NYK fans
More of Kurt lame Rambis coaching 2016/2017?

This man has made me believe he could care
Less about fans plight and hope, for future

As long as his stinking stale triangle game
Gets going to prove pointless points about the
Knick GM, president.

He will never ever be any good at running,a club
His way..

Sad state, for Kristaps growth in nba.
The man whom,drafted KP has a great chance
At ruining a great young talent in KP before
His nba life and engine gets going.

NBA laughs at us again, which don't bother
Uncle Phil one little teeny bit.

Big Chief Triangle Zen master
Embarrassing !!!!

a Sin

FYI, Phil maintains an East Coast home in Woodstock. He also raised his children there (i.e., Chelsea). So it's not all that strange, really.