Knicks · Some of You Can't Handle the Truth (page 2)
dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?
Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.
People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?
it's typical tabloid fodder, meant to stir the pot of discontent, with no balance. why can't we allow a two-year plan to unfold in two years? if the knicks are not showing promise a year from now i will understand. right now all this hollering makes no sense.
No one is hollering, just pointing out key facts that everyone except some naïve fans care to admit.
DK, and chuck, care about one thing and one thing only, TRADE MELO for anything, maybe even a bottle of water, then all of our problems are solved, championship here we come.
The coach is bad because of Melo
the roster is avg because of melo
the triangle sucks because of melo
Fisher was fired because of melo
caledron sucks because of melo
grant and dwills sporadic mins because of melo
Knicks can't win without melo, which to them, is the main reason we need to get rid of melo.
MELO,MELO,MELO,MELO
They support this sub par coaches, and out dated system, until the coach gets fired, and every media outlet (who has been covering the NBA for 40 yrs) state the super obvious. Half of a plan.
Next Season they will be hollering TANK TANK TANK, which meant phils first 3 season were a waist.
You pay a guy $60 million to get you one good player in 3 season, and no playoffs
WP76 wrote:Tonight's game was the same thing we've seen over and over this year. Through grit, hustle, and determination, we put ourselves in position to win in the last couple of minutes. The difference is that we were playing a team that knows how to finish and we're a team that doesn't. I don't know if the answer is different players, coaches, or greater continuity among the existing players. Bottom line is losers find ways to lose and that's pretty much where we are right now.
Lets not look past the fact that our starting lineup on the floor to finish the game was J.Grant, Sasha, Gallo, C.Early and KOQ compared to their starters which includes a top 3 back court in the NBA in Lowry and Derozan.
newyorker4ever wrote:WP76 wrote:Tonight's game was the same thing we've seen over and over this year. Through grit, hustle, and determination, we put ourselves in position to win in the last couple of minutes. The difference is that we were playing a team that knows how to finish and we're a team that doesn't. I don't know if the answer is different players, coaches, or greater continuity among the existing players. Bottom line is losers find ways to lose and that's pretty much where we are right now.Lets not look past the fact that our starting lineup on the floor to finish the game was J.Grant, Sasha, Gallo, C.Early and KOQ compared to their starters which includes a top 3 back court in the NBA in Lowry and Derozan.
Yeah, don't cloud the issue with facts. What's great about this line of reasoning about "tonight's game" was, if we played the starters and beat Toronto, it would have been more of
1) Stupid RambDis coaching when the season's effectively over
2) Phil's idiotic attempt to reach more meaningless wins
3) a wasted opportunity to get other players valuable PT to see what we have going forward
ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?
Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.
People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?
This year has been the only year Phil has used to build this team because last year was used to break the team down and get rid of bad people and bad contracts so for me he hasn't done a horrible job in his 1st year of rebuilding the Knicks. Now of course the Phil haters are just gonna disagree and say that he's been building this team since he's been here but it's just not the truth. He's given us a really good starting front court in his 1st year of rebuilding so for me i think he deserves another two years to build the rest of the team and actually think he's gonna do a good job with it, my biggest concern is his next coaching hire and if the triangle will work without having M.Jordan or Kobe running it.
dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?
Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.
People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?
it's typical tabloid fodder, meant to stir the pot of discontent, with no balance. why can't we allow a two-year plan to unfold in two years? if the knicks are not showing promise a year from now i will understand. right now all this hollering makes no sense.
I agree.
ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?
Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.
People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?
Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson! That's brilliant. Of course, that explains the whole "Phil can only win chips with Kobe or MJ going Iso all day." Horace Grant made it to the NBA Finals! The Spurs won the NBA Finals without PJax! LeBron won chips without PJax! Teams won the Finals when PJax wasn't even in the league! this explains why MJ and Kobe never won without PJax!
knicks1248 wrote:dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?
Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.
People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?
it's typical tabloid fodder, meant to stir the pot of discontent, with no balance. why can't we allow a two-year plan to unfold in two years? if the knicks are not showing promise a year from now i will understand. right now all this hollering makes no sense.
No one is hollering, just pointing out key facts that everyone except some naïve fans care to admit.
DK, and chuck, care about one thing and one thing only, TRADE MELO for anything, maybe even a bottle of water, then all of our problems are solved, championship here we come.
The coach is bad because of Melo
the roster is avg because of melo
the triangle sucks because of melo
Fisher was fired because of melo
caledron sucks because of melo
grant and dwills sporadic mins because of melo
Knicks can't win without melo, which to them, is the main reason we need to get rid of melo.MELO,MELO,MELO,MELO
They support this sub par coaches, and out dated system, until the coach gets fired, and every media outlet (who has been covering the NBA for 40 yrs) state the super obvious. Half of a plan.Next Season they will be hollering TANK TANK TANK, which meant phils first 3 season were a waist.
You pay a guy $60 million to get you one good player in 3 season, and no playoffs
i don't want melo to be traded, but he can no longer be the centerpiece of the team and cannot dictate what jackson is trying to build here. no more win-now scenarios. that's fair and reasonable, right? i mean we're still paying for past mistakes, mistakes that still loom large vis a vis draft picks. we're still paying for 15 years of incompetence and meddling.
Maybe it wouldn’t be the people’s choice, Tom Thibodeau, or the new hot name on the block, Jay Wright. But it sure would be someone other than Kurt Rambis, who entered Sunday night’s home finale with a lifetime record of 65-162 and exited with the mark at 65-163 after a 93-89 loss to the Raptors.(And that, by the way, includes the first 37 games of his career, with the ’99 Lakers, who had Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher — in other words, the core of the team that would immediately win three straight NBA championships once Rambis was replaced … by Phil Jackson. He went 24-13 with that talent-laden team, and was pulverized 4-0 by the Spurs in the playoffs.)
Rookie Tim Duncan and old ass Robinson, the same yr we they beat us in the finalsThe fact that Rambis remains in the conversation to stay on tells you everything you need to know about the ridiculous things Jackson prioritizes as he tries to figure out how to fix the Knicks. His goal, the only job description that matters, should be this: Assemble the best team possible. That includes players, of course. But it also includes finding the best coach available.
And let me ask you this:
In any other NBA city — any other one — would Kurt Rambis even appear on a list of 50 best coaches available, if an opening presented itself?
This has to be the line in the sand James Dolan draws. Has to be. Look, if you want to troll in negatives you could mention that Jackson took over a team that missed out on the 2014 playoffs by a game and hasn’t been within spitting distance since, on his watch. You could ask what exactly, besides falling into Kristaps Porzingis, Jackson has done to strengthen what he inherited.This year, according to Rambis, was “Year One,” because last year is now referred to by all hands as “Year Zero.” Sure, it is, now — one fired coach later, and another whose winning percentage would make Casey Stengel as a Met chuckle maniacally.
Again: Rambis has done nothing wrong here. He has worked hard. He has tried to offer structure. Of course he wants the interim tag removed. Of course he wants to be the coach of the Knicks. Hell, you probably want the gig, too. Doesn’t mean you’re qualified for it.
I could go online, to several different sites, and this is what everyone with common knowledge will say, trust me this is not a conspiracy towards KURT, this is not some writer calling out phil and Kurt. Everyone across the sports world is saying the same thing or very similar
knicks1248 wrote:Maybe it wouldn’t be the people’s choice, Tom Thibodeau, or the new hot name on the block, Jay Wright. But it sure would be someone other than Kurt Rambis, who entered Sunday night’s home finale with a lifetime record of 65-162 and exited with the mark at 65-163 after a 93-89 loss to the Raptors.(And that, by the way, includes the first 37 games of his career, with the ’99 Lakers, who had Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher — in other words, the core of the team that would immediately win three straight NBA championships once Rambis was replaced … by Phil Jackson. He went 24-13 with that talent-laden team, and was pulverized 4-0 by the Spurs in the playoffs.)
Rookie Tim Duncan and old ass Robinson, the same yr we they beat us in the finalsThe fact that Rambis remains in the conversation to stay on tells you everything you need to know about the ridiculous things Jackson prioritizes as he tries to figure out how to fix the Knicks. His goal, the only job description that matters, should be this: Assemble the best team possible. That includes players, of course. But it also includes finding the best coach available.
And let me ask you this:
In any other NBA city — any other one — would Kurt Rambis even appear on a list of 50 best coaches available, if an opening presented itself?
This has to be the line in the sand James Dolan draws. Has to be. Look, if you want to troll in negatives you could mention that Jackson took over a team that missed out on the 2014 playoffs by a game and hasn’t been within spitting distance since, on his watch. You could ask what exactly, besides falling into Kristaps Porzingis, Jackson has done to strengthen what he inherited.This year, according to Rambis, was “Year One,” because last year is now referred to by all hands as “Year Zero.” Sure, it is, now — one fired coach later, and another whose winning percentage would make Casey Stengel as a Met chuckle maniacally.
Again: Rambis has done nothing wrong here. He has worked hard. He has tried to offer structure. Of course he wants the interim tag removed. Of course he wants to be the coach of the Knicks. Hell, you probably want the gig, too. Doesn’t mean you’re qualified for it.
I could go online, to several different sites, and this is what everyone with common knowledge will say, trust me this is not a conspiracy towards KURT, this is not some writer calling out phil and Kurt. Everyone across the sports world is saying the same thing or very similar
This is the second article you posted in the thread and you can't even put a link in?
Daily New and Post don't really seem to be the best sources of opinion.
I'm assuming "old as Robinson" is your editorial remark. He was 33.
We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.
While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.
knicks1248 wrote:dk7th wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?
Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.
People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?
it's typical tabloid fodder, meant to stir the pot of discontent, with no balance. why can't we allow a two-year plan to unfold in two years? if the knicks are not showing promise a year from now i will understand. right now all this hollering makes no sense.
No one is hollering, just pointing out key facts that everyone except some naïve fans care to admit.
DK, and chuck, care about one thing and one thing only, TRADE MELO for anything, maybe even a bottle of water, then all of our problems are solved, championship here we come.
The coach is bad because of Melo
the roster is avg because of melo
the triangle sucks because of melo
Fisher was fired because of melo
caledron sucks because of melo
grant and dwills sporadic mins because of melo
Knicks can't win without melo, which to them, is the main reason we need to get rid of melo.MELO,MELO,MELO,MELO
They support this sub par coaches, and out dated system, until the coach gets fired, and every media outlet (who has been covering the NBA for 40 yrs) state the super obvious. Half of a plan.Next Season they will be hollering TANK TANK TANK, which meant phils first 3 season were a waist.
You pay a guy $60 million to get you one good player in 3 season, and no playoffs
Looks like you believe in magic...
So we will take a bag of trash with Melo on top and we say "Kriks-Piks-Knicks" and Knicks instantly became a contender and go to bit Warriors 4-2 in the finals.
We have chapms parade on Avenue Of Americans and Melo get a golden statue in the Port Authority Departures.
Sadly instead we have boring old man running the show and trying to make a sense of bbal calamity NY was for last 20 years.
Sad place with sad fans... And deservingly so.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Maybe it wouldn’t be the people’s choice, Tom Thibodeau, or the new hot name on the block, Jay Wright. But it sure would be someone other than Kurt Rambis, who entered Sunday night’s home finale with a lifetime record of 65-162 and exited with the mark at 65-163 after a 93-89 loss to the Raptors.(And that, by the way, includes the first 37 games of his career, with the ’99 Lakers, who had Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher — in other words, the core of the team that would immediately win three straight NBA championships once Rambis was replaced … by Phil Jackson. He went 24-13 with that talent-laden team, and was pulverized 4-0 by the Spurs in the playoffs.)
Rookie Tim Duncan and old ass Robinson, the same yr we they beat us in the finalsThe fact that Rambis remains in the conversation to stay on tells you everything you need to know about the ridiculous things Jackson prioritizes as he tries to figure out how to fix the Knicks. His goal, the only job description that matters, should be this: Assemble the best team possible. That includes players, of course. But it also includes finding the best coach available.
And let me ask you this:
In any other NBA city — any other one — would Kurt Rambis even appear on a list of 50 best coaches available, if an opening presented itself?
This has to be the line in the sand James Dolan draws. Has to be. Look, if you want to troll in negatives you could mention that Jackson took over a team that missed out on the 2014 playoffs by a game and hasn’t been within spitting distance since, on his watch. You could ask what exactly, besides falling into Kristaps Porzingis, Jackson has done to strengthen what he inherited.This year, according to Rambis, was “Year One,” because last year is now referred to by all hands as “Year Zero.” Sure, it is, now — one fired coach later, and another whose winning percentage would make Casey Stengel as a Met chuckle maniacally.
Again: Rambis has done nothing wrong here. He has worked hard. He has tried to offer structure. Of course he wants the interim tag removed. Of course he wants to be the coach of the Knicks. Hell, you probably want the gig, too. Doesn’t mean you’re qualified for it.
I could go online, to several different sites, and this is what everyone with common knowledge will say, trust me this is not a conspiracy towards KURT, this is not some writer calling out phil and Kurt. Everyone across the sports world is saying the same thing or very similar
This is the second article you posted in the thread and you can't even put a link in?
Daily New and Post don't really seem to be the best sources of opinion.
I'm assuming "old as Robinson" is your editorial remark. He was 33.
Yes i did, but that actually was by accident
Bleacher report
Either way, Jackson's greatest failure as president of the Knicks is being accentuated by the coaching situation and his inevitable search. He has taken a stick of dynamite to the very sense of stability his arrival was thought to portend—the very foundation of consistency he laid last summer by drafting Porzingis and acquiring Jerian Grant in a draft-day trade.Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
Grant and Porzingis were supposed to be signs of Jackson's adaptability. That much is now up in the air.
Adding Porzingis, a finesse big, and Grant, a drive-heavy point guard, should have been evidence of Jackson's commitment to flexibility. Neither is ready-made for his vaunted triangle offense.Many of the free agents the Knicks chased weren't, either. They didn't place an emphasis on shooters and drivers, but they met with DeAndre Jordan, an anti-triangle big if there ever was one. They signed Robin Lopez, a shot-changer, rebounder and pick-and-roll slasher, not a high-usage post-up scorer or passer.
That perceived open-mindedness is now under fire.
New York's offense is slow, light on pick-and-rolls and incomparably heavy on mid-range jumpers. And, to that end, Jackson canned Fisher at a time when he was trying to mold the Knicks' attack into something different, as Bryan Gibberman explained for KnickerBlogger.net:
Thinking back on it, in Fisher’s last games it was almost like he was trying to prove a point. In first halves he Knicks would run mainly triangle based offensive sets leading to them falling behind. In second halves they’d run a ton of spread PnR storming back into the game.
This pattern happened quite frequently.
Was it Fisher trying to prove a point to Jackson?
Jackson has been given every opportunity to dispel the notion that he's not so married to his own basketball philosophies that he would rather lose with them than win without them. He has thus far failed to adequately make that clarification, opting instead to speak in uncrackable codes and general obscurities.
On the subject of firing Fisher, finding another coach and stepping outside his triangular box, Jackson tweeted:
Yahoo sports
In a lot of ways, Jackson exists in a parallel universe to the NBA. He hires coaches out of his world, personnel scouts out of his world. The idea of Rambis, Shaw or Cleamons as long-term Fisher replacements is embarrassing. Jackson isn't using the Knicks' vast resources to lure the best player personnel staffs and coaches to the Knicks, just likeminded people, just his guys. Nevertheless, he probably never promised owner James Dolan a different vision. Every executive has the right to execute his vision, but this is far too narrow, too exclusive.There are two kinds of employees with the Knicks: Jackson's guys and Dolan's guys. Jackson tried to move out some of Dolan's people, but never got his way. Within both groups, there are some real, smart, talented people. Jackson has made solid personnel decisions in free agency, and wisely kept the No. 4 pick in the 2015 draft to select Kristaps Porzingis. Still, the coach, the system, will be important in free-agent recruiting, because most believe Jackson is a short-timer on the jo
many of you think were on the right path because we got KP, I bet you many Twolves fans thought the samething when they got KG.
Jackson is proving to be just like any of the last 4 GMs/prez we have had..One good move 2 bad movess.
If i'm wrong, go Find 2 articles in the last 6 months that is praising anything Phil has done other than KP
Phil isn't even doing half the job walsh did, he (walsh)stripped the team down and had them in the playoffs in 2 season, with the same coach.
Now going into this off season, im suppose to feel confident that he's going to hit out of the park. I hope he does, he needs a 50 win season next yr with out a fraction of a doubt.
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Maybe it wouldn’t be the people’s choice, Tom Thibodeau, or the new hot name on the block, Jay Wright. But it sure would be someone other than Kurt Rambis, who entered Sunday night’s home finale with a lifetime record of 65-162 and exited with the mark at 65-163 after a 93-89 loss to the Raptors.(And that, by the way, includes the first 37 games of his career, with the ’99 Lakers, who had Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher — in other words, the core of the team that would immediately win three straight NBA championships once Rambis was replaced … by Phil Jackson. He went 24-13 with that talent-laden team, and was pulverized 4-0 by the Spurs in the playoffs.)
Rookie Tim Duncan and old ass Robinson, the same yr we they beat us in the finalsThe fact that Rambis remains in the conversation to stay on tells you everything you need to know about the ridiculous things Jackson prioritizes as he tries to figure out how to fix the Knicks. His goal, the only job description that matters, should be this: Assemble the best team possible. That includes players, of course. But it also includes finding the best coach available.
And let me ask you this:
In any other NBA city — any other one — would Kurt Rambis even appear on a list of 50 best coaches available, if an opening presented itself?
This has to be the line in the sand James Dolan draws. Has to be. Look, if you want to troll in negatives you could mention that Jackson took over a team that missed out on the 2014 playoffs by a game and hasn’t been within spitting distance since, on his watch. You could ask what exactly, besides falling into Kristaps Porzingis, Jackson has done to strengthen what he inherited.This year, according to Rambis, was “Year One,” because last year is now referred to by all hands as “Year Zero.” Sure, it is, now — one fired coach later, and another whose winning percentage would make Casey Stengel as a Met chuckle maniacally.
Again: Rambis has done nothing wrong here. He has worked hard. He has tried to offer structure. Of course he wants the interim tag removed. Of course he wants to be the coach of the Knicks. Hell, you probably want the gig, too. Doesn’t mean you’re qualified for it.
I could go online, to several different sites, and this is what everyone with common knowledge will say, trust me this is not a conspiracy towards KURT, this is not some writer calling out phil and Kurt. Everyone across the sports world is saying the same thing or very similar
This is the second article you posted in the thread and you can't even put a link in?
Daily New and Post don't really seem to be the best sources of opinion.
I'm assuming "old as Robinson" is your editorial remark. He was 33.
Yes i did, but that actually was by accident
Bleacher report
Either way, Jackson's greatest failure as president of the Knicks is being accentuated by the coaching situation and his inevitable search. He has taken a stick of dynamite to the very sense of stability his arrival was thought to portend—the very foundation of consistency he laid last summer by drafting Porzingis and acquiring Jerian Grant in a draft-day trade.Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
Grant and Porzingis were supposed to be signs of Jackson's adaptability. That much is now up in the air.
Adding Porzingis, a finesse big, and Grant, a drive-heavy point guard, should have been evidence of Jackson's commitment to flexibility. Neither is ready-made for his vaunted triangle offense.Many of the free agents the Knicks chased weren't, either. They didn't place an emphasis on shooters and drivers, but they met with DeAndre Jordan, an anti-triangle big if there ever was one. They signed Robin Lopez, a shot-changer, rebounder and pick-and-roll slasher, not a high-usage post-up scorer or passer.
That perceived open-mindedness is now under fire.
New York's offense is slow, light on pick-and-rolls and incomparably heavy on mid-range jumpers. And, to that end, Jackson canned Fisher at a time when he was trying to mold the Knicks' attack into something different, as Bryan Gibberman explained for KnickerBlogger.net:
Thinking back on it, in Fisher’s last games it was almost like he was trying to prove a point. In first halves he Knicks would run mainly triangle based offensive sets leading to them falling behind. In second halves they’d run a ton of spread PnR storming back into the game.
This pattern happened quite frequently.
Was it Fisher trying to prove a point to Jackson?
Jackson has been given every opportunity to dispel the notion that he's not so married to his own basketball philosophies that he would rather lose with them than win without them. He has thus far failed to adequately make that clarification, opting instead to speak in uncrackable codes and general obscurities.
On the subject of firing Fisher, finding another coach and stepping outside his triangular box, Jackson tweeted:
Yahoo sports
In a lot of ways, Jackson exists in a parallel universe to the NBA. He hires coaches out of his world, personnel scouts out of his world. The idea of Rambis, Shaw or Cleamons as long-term Fisher replacements is embarrassing. Jackson isn't using the Knicks' vast resources to lure the best player personnel staffs and coaches to the Knicks, just likeminded people, just his guys. Nevertheless, he probably never promised owner James Dolan a different vision. Every executive has the right to execute his vision, but this is far too narrow, too exclusive.There are two kinds of employees with the Knicks: Jackson's guys and Dolan's guys. Jackson tried to move out some of Dolan's people, but never got his way. Within both groups, there are some real, smart, talented people. Jackson has made solid personnel decisions in free agency, and wisely kept the No. 4 pick in the 2015 draft to select Kristaps Porzingis. Still, the coach, the system, will be important in free-agent recruiting, because most believe Jackson is a short-timer on the jo
many of you think were on the right path because we got KP, I bet you many Twolves fans thought the samething when they got KG.Jackson is proving to be just like any of the last 4 GMs/prez we have had..One good move 2 bad movess.
If i'm wrong, go Find 2 articles in the last 6 months that is praising anything Phil has done other than KP
Phil isn't even doing half the job walsh did, he (walsh)stripped the team down and had them in the playoffs in 2 season, with the same coach.Now going into this off season, im suppose to feel confident that he's going to hit out of the park. I hope he does, he needs a 50 win season next yr with out a fraction of a doubt.
You really cannot handle the truth that this team sucks already for 17 years and this cannot be fixed less that in 5-6 years even if Jesus himself will be GM and coach.
It goes much faster that I ever hoped...
But it still will not be fixed in Melo and Phil time here.
All Phil can do is to put good foundation for future success and do not make bad moves. And so far he does just that.
knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.
More like whining and bitching.
The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no assholes on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.
So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.
EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.
More like whining and bitching.
The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no assholes on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.
So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.
"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coach
The avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..
Wake up dude, and get your facts right.
knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.
More like whining and bitching.
The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no assholes on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.
So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.
"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coachThe avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..
Wake up dude, and get your facts right.
That's quite possibly the dumbest logic I've ever seen.
We all know Lou, Sasha, Jose ain't long term part of the team, if you want to get avg age of the core parts, get rid of those.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.
More like whining and bitching.
The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no assholes on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.
So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.
"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coachThe avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..
Wake up dude, and get your facts right.
That's quite possibly the dumbest logic I've ever seen.
We all know Lou, Sasha, Jose ain't long term part of the team, if you want to get avg age of the core parts, get rid of those.
but then how will he manipulate the numbers to suit his argument? 
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.
More like whining and bitching.
The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no assholes on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.
So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.
"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coachThe avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..
Wake up dude, and get your facts right.
That's quite possibly the dumbest logic I've ever seen.
We all know Lou, Sasha, Jose ain't long term part of the team, if you want to get avg age of the core parts, get rid of those.
Dude the only 2 people on this roster that are long term are melo and KP, everybody else is expendable according to phil at the trade dead line. Do we really have a core?
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it
Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.
More like whining and bitching.
The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no assholes on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.
So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.
"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coachThe avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..
Wake up dude, and get your facts right.
That's quite possibly the dumbest logic I've ever seen.
We all know Lou, Sasha, Jose ain't long term part of the team, if you want to get avg age of the core parts, get rid of those.
Dude the only 2 people on this roster that are long term are melo and KP, everybody else is expendable according to phil at the trade dead line. Do we really have a core?
you are conflating 2 different things: People on the roster who are not getting traded and core players.
Core: Melo, KP, Grant, Rolo. Not so core: Wroten, KOQ, Gallo, Early, Lance, DWill. Not long term at all: Lou, Jose, Sepharin, AA, Sasha.
2 years ago Phil starting dismantling. This past summer he started to build up. You don't need to be Philly and just go with youth to rebuild, short term vets are good too.
Most of the negativity is forced by a media that keeps writing rumors intended to stir up trouble. 1st it was Rambis is a lock and now suddenly Blatt and Messina are options. But writers like Schmeelk still have to kick dirt on whatever the Knicks do:
After a few days of fans pulling their hair out over the possibility of Kurt Rambis coaching the Knicks next year, another name has emerged, according to reports: David Blatt.http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/04/12/s...Even in the articles promoting Blatt as a potential coach, the sources are careful to point out that Rambis is still a leading candidate or will be back with the team in one way, shape or form. The New York Post’s Marc Berman reported that if Rambis was not the head coach (he called Blatt a long shot), then he would be an assistant general manager or pseudo “offensive coordinator.”
It’s possible that given the negative reaction to Rambis, the Garden is trying to put other names out there to quell some of the rebellion against the idea of Rambis leading the team going forward. Blatt would be a decent option, but mostly because he is being compared to Rambis. Blatt’s resume is much better because of his record in Israel and with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but the issues he had with LeBron James and the Cavs players raise some red flags.
It shouldn’t be forgotten by Knicks fans that the clear-cut best option that would probably turn the Knicks into a playoff team next year is still sitting out there: former Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau. Anything the Knicks do that doesn’t end with Thibs should be treated with disappointment, and a great level of skepticism.
As mind-boggling as it may seem, as long as Phil Jackson is still here next year (there are no signs that he won’t be), the Knicks will run as pure a version of his system as possible next season. Jackson believes in his system, and he will run it. He wants to secure his legacy and win, but if it means going down in flames and pulling the Knicks down with him, Jackson is willing to accept that fate. He has an opt-out after next season and will make the 2016-17 season his ultimate experiment in the triangle.
It doesn’t matter that the best defensive coach in the NBA (and one of the best overall) is available in Thibodeau. Jackson is going to do it his way. That’s his right as the team president, and on some level his belief in his own way of playing basketball should be respected. He thinks it will work, and he will not deviate from it. It’s prideful and stubborn. It could be his undoing.