Knicks · Knicks focus at coach is now Rambis.... and Blatt? (page 2)

There are angles and more angles......

Phil has final say on all basketball matters. Dolan should be no where near any of this. He deserves an explanation from his team on why they are moving in a direction.
Blatt has a nice work ethic and has won everywhere he has gone. But we are not asking him to bring his "System" and implement it. We'd be asking him to adhere to the what PHil wants.

Whats the pushback with Phil by fans and media? That we don't have a superstar to run it? Well, Kobe was a cocky teenager when he got Uncle Phil and Jordan already was a high scoring marketing machine sociopath with 5 years already in the NBA before he got with the program. What did we have when PHil walked in? Melo. Melo has done well, but he can't do it alone. Now he has GodZingis, potentially a player that can redefine the game. PHil is not the coach but the system is proven.

This is worth it.

Know whats cool? Phil and Rambis teaching the kids the purity of the triangle. They gotta learn to make the cuts without the ball. Its freaking april and we doing mini camp!!!! Even Melo came to show his support. That either helps recruiting or his trade value that he is not a total dick. At this moment in time we have a coach and a GM that are in synch. So what if Rambis is a puppet! Think when Red Auerbach retired from the bench he'd hire guys that didn't do what he wanted? Red had a huge ego, and two fists full of rings. Think Riley's guys don't adhere to his directive? Think Spo has aproblem with not "being my own man"? Wealth and job security is pretty good. Riles did pull a dyke move on SVG, but he has pretty much been patient with Spo.

One mans puppet is another mans trusted colleague.

It makes sense to hire Blatt with Rambis as his assistant. It would be pointless to make Rambis head coach when he is clearly willing to stay on as an assistant for a better coach. Blatt isn't ideal, but the 2 of them could equal a quality coach i guess. Blatt clearly doesn't have an established staff here in the US, so Rambis being his assistant makes sense. He is probably the best coach on the market who will be willing to fit Phil's agenda for better or for worse.

Knixkik wrote:It makes sense to hire Blatt with Rambis as his assistant. It would be pointless to make Rambis head coach when he is clearly willing to stay on as an assistant for a better coach. Blatt isn't ideal, but the 2 of them could equal a quality coach i guess. Blatt clearly doesn't have an established staff here in the US, so Rambis being his assistant makes sense. He is probably the best coach on the market who will be willing to fit Phil's agenda for better or for worse.

100% agree, and from blatts thinking

“He didn’t come in and say, ‘We’re going to run what I did in Europe,’ ” one NBA personnel director who has spoken to the Cavaliers told The Post. “He was adaptable. He knew he had to adapt to the NBA, not the other way around, and adapt to LeBron, cater to LeBron. I don’t think he got enough credit for his adaptability. He’s not the bullheaded my-way-or-fire-me guy.’’

Blatt and Mills shared the backcourt at Princeton in the late 1970s and employed the famous Princeton offense.

“He’d be absolutely willing to run the triangle,’’ the NBA personnel director said. “There’s not great similarities between the two, but it is in the fundamental notion of ball movement, taking what the defense gives you.”

In an interview after being hired by Cleveland, Blatt said: “There are two schools of thought in coaching, and neither one is more right than the other. There are coaches that have their system, and they are gonna use that regardless of what the team makeup is. And there are coaches that are adaptive, and take their roster, and play according to their skill set. I’m more from the adaptive school, with a few principles that are consistent throughout my career.”

besides, rambis record is to poor to make him the head coach, if he fails, Phil would be tortured from fans and media. At least blatt comes from a winning back round

Blatt winning record is because of Lebron.
Logically, you replace the two OKC guys unless they swear there alligence to the Triangle. Logically why hire Blatt if Rambis is thought to be a good coach by the man who is the best coach ever?
I like Blatt, im just using deductive logic. There is no "Adjustment to new coach", no "Conflict with Rambis", and he does not have to adapt to the triangle!
What do we not like about rambis? His Minnesota record? Given the roster, Kahn, and owner I understand. Was Rambis a good assistant under Phil? I suppose he was, otherwise why would phil bring him along?
9-18 this year? I get it, this team was in shambles and coaching staff divided. Fish was playing games and instead of taking the pain's to get the team in synch early in the season he succeeds by adjusting. PHil wants the team to take its lumps and learn. Fans hate this btw. Fish would be taking on big heat for it. He is the coach and paid well. Tough. I'd give him a pass though.

Im good btw with Blatt but not for some of the reasons presented. I think he is a good basketball mind first and foremost. Obviously he'd be down with system and personel. Obviously Rambis would be too. This is Phils choice.

Lets not forget, Phil wants to win. I think fans think its about his ego and will. All I care about is winning, but im not naïve to think the basis of success is how you make decisions, not regretting the ones you made.

Nalod wrote:Blatt winning record is because of Lebron.

not in Israel... It's not like Blatt just ripped his warm-up gear off and decided to give coaching a shot, a la DFish

SupremeCommander wrote:

Nalod wrote:Blatt winning record is because of Lebron.

not in Israel... It's not like Blatt just ripped his warm-up gear off and decided to give coaching a shot, a la DFish

Exactly, and how can phil justify handing rambis the job just because he knows the system, when there's many other factors that go into being a very good coach.

Blatt is a legit professional coach. It's unfortunate that he got the job in Cleveland before they brought back Lebron. That was a bad fit. Here in NY I think it's a much better fit. Aside from Melo the bulk of the team is young and coachable. I am hoping this works out.

nixluva wrote:Blatt is a legit professional coach. It's unfortunate that he got the job in Cleveland before they brought back Lebron. That was a bad fit. Here in NY I think it's a much better fit. Aside from Melo the bulk of the team is young and coachable. I am hoping this works out.

And at the very least, hopefully Blatt learned from his experience in Cleveland and is over his NBA adjustment period. I would have to think he would come into this opportunity much more prepared and confident.

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:Blatt is a legit professional coach. It's unfortunate that he got the job in Cleveland before they brought back Lebron. That was a bad fit. Here in NY I think it's a much better fit. Aside from Melo the bulk of the team is young and coachable. I am hoping this works out.

And at the very least, hopefully Blatt learned from his experience in Cleveland and is over his NBA adjustment period. I would have to think he would come into this opportunity much more prepared and confident.

I agree. We'd be getting a better Blatt. Also let's not forget he's been through an entire NBA cycle all the way to the FINALS! That's valuable experience. He's as ready as he could possibly be.

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:Blatt is a legit professional coach. It's unfortunate that he got the job in Cleveland before they brought back Lebron. That was a bad fit. Here in NY I think it's a much better fit. Aside from Melo the bulk of the team is young and coachable. I am hoping this works out.

And at the very least, hopefully Blatt learned from his experience in Cleveland and is over his NBA adjustment period. I would have to think he would come into this opportunity much more prepared and confident.

I agree. We'd be getting a better Blatt. Also let's not forget he's been through an entire NBA cycle all the way to the FINALS! That's valuable experience. He's as ready as he could possibly be.

I really don't think Phil has much of a choice

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:Blatt is a legit professional coach. It's unfortunate that he got the job in Cleveland before they brought back Lebron. That was a bad fit. Here in NY I think it's a much better fit. Aside from Melo the bulk of the team is young and coachable. I am hoping this works out.

And at the very least, hopefully Blatt learned from his experience in Cleveland and is over his NBA adjustment period. I would have to think he would come into this opportunity much more prepared and confident.

I agree. We'd be getting a better Blatt. Also let's not forget he's been through an entire NBA cycle all the way to the FINALS! That's valuable experience. He's as ready as he could possibly be.

"A better Blatt is where its at"...........

Im good with Blatt, Im good with Rambis. Too bad we don't have our pick, but we do next year. This will take a while.
What many are not considering is people improve with experience. Rambis too can be a better Blatt. Blatt can be a better Blatt.......

IN fact, that's my life's mission statement: "Be a Better Blatt"!!!!

Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:Blatt is a legit professional coach. It's unfortunate that he got the job in Cleveland before they brought back Lebron. That was a bad fit. Here in NY I think it's a much better fit. Aside from Melo the bulk of the team is young and coachable. I am hoping this works out.

And at the very least, hopefully Blatt learned from his experience in Cleveland and is over his NBA adjustment period. I would have to think he would come into this opportunity much more prepared and confident.

I agree. We'd be getting a better Blatt. Also let's not forget he's been through an entire NBA cycle all the way to the FINALS! That's valuable experience. He's as ready as he could possibly be.

"A better Blatt is where its at"...........

Im good with Blatt, Im good with Rambis. Too bad we don't have our pick, but we do next year. This will take a while.
What many are not considering is people improve with experience. Rambis too can be a better Blatt. Blatt can be a better Blatt.......

IN fact, that's my life's mission statement: "Be a Better Blatt"!!!!

I don't understand why anybody would be good happy with rambis

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:Blatt is a legit professional coach. It's unfortunate that he got the job in Cleveland before they brought back Lebron. That was a bad fit. Here in NY I think it's a much better fit. Aside from Melo the bulk of the team is young and coachable. I am hoping this works out.

And at the very least, hopefully Blatt learned from his experience in Cleveland and is over his NBA adjustment period. I would have to think he would come into this opportunity much more prepared and confident.

I agree. We'd be getting a better Blatt. Also let's not forget he's been through an entire NBA cycle all the way to the FINALS! That's valuable experience. He's as ready as he could possibly be.

"A better Blatt is where its at"...........

Im good with Blatt, Im good with Rambis. Too bad we don't have our pick, but we do next year. This will take a while.
What many are not considering is people improve with experience. Rambis too can be a better Blatt. Blatt can be a better Blatt.......

IN fact, that's my life's mission statement: "Be a Better Blatt"!!!!

I don't understand why anybody would be good happy with rambis

For the same reason Larry, Lenny, MDA or Isiah could not bring their lofty cred and make significant change. YOu assume past will continue. It doesn't. Bringing in a new coach does not guarantee anything. Rambis or anyone else benefits or gets hurt based on the same circumstances that either roster changes or system commitment.
Why would you not think that Rambis is a better coach with more experience?
They are going to run the triangle, so the question is buy in. Blatt won't have Lebron, Rambis won't have Johnny Flynn. If Rambis was not the coach of minny, Im sure you'd think the better of him. Blatt winning in Israel or in Russia is not the same either. I like the guy, don't get me wrong.
What did Rambis do other than speculate that would be a negative over the last 30 games? Bonafide, not "I think he.....". Hold back Grant? or inspire him to play better thru better coaching? KP? From the All star game he got sick and was tired. Dude was golden all year in my opionin. Rolo played great the last 30 games. More Triangle? Melo played for him. Does melo really want Thibs? All we read was he wants in on the decision. That can mean a lot of thing. Look, you asked me and as you might gather I see when coach's lose its a teaching experience and Rambis is still well regarded by the man with the rings. Im sure Phil is very disappointed in Fish. Makes him look bad as well. He put his faith in Fish. At the same time he must be very happy his first choice really turned out well. That's what mentors do! I have taught guys who have gone on and exceeded what I have done. Guys that worked under me that I had faith in and I either didn't see things clearly or they got greedy is not a pleasant thing.

So in the end if Rambis is phils guy, im ok with that. Funky glasses and all!

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So Stein was right about Brooks to WAS, Thibs to Min... but he was just making shit up about Knicks focusing on Rambis and Blatt.

Nalod wrote:There are angles and more angles......

Phil has final say on all basketball matters. Dolan should be no where near any of this. He deserves an explanation from his team on why they are moving in a direction.
Blatt has a nice work ethic and has won everywhere he has gone. But we are not asking him to bring his "System" and implement it. We'd be asking him to adhere to the what PHil wants.

Whats the pushback with Phil by fans and media? That we don't have a superstar to run it? Well, Kobe was a cocky teenager when he got Uncle Phil and Jordan already was a high scoring marketing machine sociopath with 5 years already in the NBA before he got with the program. What did we have when PHil walked in? Melo. Melo has done well, but he can't do it alone. Now he has GodZingis, potentially a player that can redefine the game. PHil is not the coach but the system is proven.

This is worth it.

Know whats cool? Phil and Rambis teaching the kids the purity of the triangle. They gotta learn to make the cuts without the ball. Its freaking april and we doing mini camp!!!! Even Melo came to show his support. That either helps recruiting or his trade value that he is not a total dick. At this moment in time we have a coach and a GM that are in synch. So what if Rambis is a puppet! Think when Red Auerbach retired from the bench he'd hire guys that didn't do what he wanted? Red had a huge ego, and two fists full of rings. Think Riley's guys don't adhere to his directive? Think Spo has aproblem with not "being my own man"? Wealth and job security is pretty good. Riles did pull a dyke move on SVG, but he has pretty much been patient with Spo.

One mans puppet is another mans trusted colleague.

Nalod wrote:There are angles and more angles......

Phil has final say on all basketball matters. Dolan should be no where near any of this. He deserves an explanation from his team on why they are moving in a direction.
Blatt has a nice work ethic and has won everywhere he has gone. But we are not asking him to bring his "System" and implement it. We'd be asking him to adhere to the what PHil wants.

Whats the pushback with Phil by fans and media? That we don't have a superstar to run it? Well, Kobe was a cocky teenager when he got Uncle Phil and Jordan already was a high scoring marketing machine sociopath with 5 years already in the NBA before he got with the program. What did we have when PHil walked in? Melo. Melo has done well, but he can't do it alone. Now he has GodZingis, potentially a player that can redefine the game. PHil is not the coach but the system is proven.

This is worth it.

Know whats cool? Phil and Rambis teaching the kids the purity of the triangle. They gotta learn to make the cuts without the ball. Its freaking april and we doing mini camp!!!! Even Melo came to show his support. That either helps recruiting or his trade value that he is not a total dick. At this moment in time we have a coach and a GM that are in synch. So what if Rambis is a puppet! Think when Red Auerbach retired from the bench he'd hire guys that didn't do what he wanted? Red had a huge ego, and two fists full of rings. Think Riley's guys don't adhere to his directive? Think Spo has aproblem with not "being my own man"? Wealth and job security is pretty good. Riles did pull a dyke move on SVG, but he has pretty much been patient with Spo.

One mans puppet is another mans trusted colleague.

Papabear Says

Man what a great song from back in the day.

Here's some of the Cavs players talking about D.Blatt. I don't know when these comment were made but seems like he was well liked. The article is actually about Blatt being fine with running the triangle.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knick...

newyorker4ever wrote:Here's some of the Cavs players talking about D.Blatt. I don't know when these comment were made but seems like he was well liked. The article is actually about Blatt being fine with running the triangle.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knick...

Nice, thanks.

Here's a compilation of Blatt in time outs.

I would honestly be excited if we brought him in and he and Phil could be on the same page.

I'm quite ambivalent about Blatt but one final checkpoint might be the opinion of Porzingis's family who may themselves have had exposure to Blatt in Europe. The very last thing the Knicks can afford would be putting Porzingis in a catch-22 should his parents object to whatever Blatt might try changing in the Zinger's game.

I do not believe for a second this is likely but having that conversation would be respectful.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Here's some of the Cavs players talking about D.Blatt. I don't know when these comment were made but seems like he was well liked. The article is actually about Blatt being fine with running the triangle.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knick...

Nice, thanks.

Here's a compilation of Blatt in time outs.

I would honestly be excited if we brought him in and he and Phil could be on the same page.

Great video

This probably why he was pushed out of Cleveland. These NBA divas cant handle that kind of talk....