Knicks · Another disappointing Clippers season. Do they blow it up? Does CP3 text Melo tonight? (page 1)

CP3 broke his hand tonight. Blake looks too injured to be dominant right now.

I continue to think Melo to the Clippers is the most likely thing if Melo moves.

If Phil announces Rambis as coach and CP3 begs Melo to come to LA... I could see something happening this summer.

Just can't shake this feeling about Clips and Melo.

It's basically the only trade that makes any sense concerning Melo. Melo will not lift his no trade clause unless it's to form a super team in LA. We've discussed it before. The deal would send the Knicks Blake Griffin and a filler, likely Reddick for Melo and a filler. If Lebron and Wade took pay cuts they could make their way to the Clippers too.

WHy would the Clippers trade Blake? That makes zero sense talent wise and age wise. If anything they'll likely trade CP3 at the deadline or take there chances in the playoffs next year.

This is the kind of thing I was talking about when it came to the offseason and the Knicks possibilities of getting talent. There are always teams and players who lose and get frustrated by not making it further. This might just give LAC more incentive to make a call, but Melo would have to believe it was in his best interests. It's going to be very interesting to see how the rest of the playoffs go and what teams and players might have a change of hear about their current situation.

EnySpree wrote:It's basically the only trade that makes any sense concerning Melo. Melo will not lift his no trade clause unless it's to form a super team in LA. We've discussed it before. The deal would send the Knicks Blake Griffin and a filler, likely Reddick for Melo and a filler. If Lebron and Wade took pay cuts they could make their way to the Clippers too.

If we traded Melo to the Clippers. I don't think we take Blake. We probably forward him in a 3 team deal for a wing.

Clips dont like Blake. They did great when he was out...bad chemistry thing it seems.

I think NY would jump at that deal.

Wow, best chance to upset Warriors and Clips can't catch a break. Pun intended.

While Melo to the Clips is stuck in your head, I too have it but with him to Heat for the core of Dragic and Winslow. We send Jose who I think is a good fit off the bench. I think they promote Tyler Johnson to start
This way they can resign Wade.
Not sure this makes them relevant for a chip run but keeps them in top 4 in the east. This of course that they resign Whiteside.

Winslow becomes the alpha in the triangle. He is not there yet, but that's why its interesting. We have our batman and robin for the next 10 years. Winslow might be Batman! Life will be better for dragic in the triangle and KP will benefit very much.

Problem with Melo to Clippers is they so much as regress Melo will be hated on. Clippers might do well to move CP3 as his lifespan as a pg might be limited by age. He is moving into Baron Davis territory. Still got it, just that the body don't always cooperate. He is free next year and he'd be ok in Miami as a new superfriend at vet discount with Melo. Im not even going to think about Lebron leaving Cleveland to play in LA or back to Miami until they win a chip in Cleveland.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Clips dont like Blake. They did great when he was out...bad chemistry thing it seems.

I think NY would jump at that deal.

We would have to trade additional compensation, but this is the deal out there that would clearly get us the best return for Melo. But it would be a long drawn-out process because given age it isn't a fair deal straight up. Doc would try to pull every asset the Knicks own for the next 10 years, minus KP. Phil would really have to know where to draw the line, but there is no question that future draft compensation would be part of the package going to LA.

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Clips dont like Blake. They did great when he was out...bad chemistry thing it seems.

I think NY would jump at that deal.

We would have to trade additional compensation, but this is the deal out there that would clearly get us the best return for Melo. But it would be a long drawn-out process because given age it isn't a fair deal straight up. Doc would try to pull every asset the Knicks own for the next 10 years, minus KP. Phil would really have to know where to draw the line, but there is no question that future draft compensation would be part of the package going to LA.

I think Melo has more value then blake, and I think Blake is not a good fit here. THree way deal is always a possibility.
In my Miami concept Tyler Johnson gets promoted and might be better than Dragic (or close enough in the next year), Deng falls off the cap, and Melo is an instant upgrade over him, or Winslow for now.

Thus, Miami gets better. Melo makes life easier for Wade.

People are silly if they think the Knicks will get something of real value back(players). Melo is not going to break up a teams core again because he knows and the team knows that they'll need everyone. If Melo waives it he is looking to go to a contender that can compete for a title and you can't do that without other stars and a bench. Melo holds the power all the Knicks can do is keep him or get minor compensation and cap relief.

yellowboy90 wrote:People are silly if they think the Knicks will get something of real value back(players). Melo is not going to break up a teams core again because he knows and the team knows that they'll need everyone. If Melo waives it he is looking to go to a contender that can compete for a title and you can't do that without other stars and a bench. Melo holds the power all the Knicks can do is keep him or get minor compensation and cap relief.

In my scenario Miami is better with Melo. The key here is Tyler Johnson stepping up.
Key in LA is Melo would be seen as a better fit than Grif.
Melo can hang 22-25 a nite. That is not chump change. In a three way, the team is giving up future assets to facilitate.
Example, if Melo wanted in Cleveland, Love is a good fit in Boston but not here. If Clev thinks Melo can get them a chip (not my opinion, just an example) they don't want Yoots or picks in return for Love, they want Melo.

What if Washington could get Durant, but feels like they can promote a guard and that Melo is a better fit than Wall? Thus, Melo for Wall upgrades their vision.
Its not just a talent swap were a trade depletes. Knicks had little to trade with so they wiped us out.

IN Miami, deng is gone. so the key is would Melo/Tyler Johnson be better than Winslow/Dragic NOW?
you have Bosh on the books, and want to resign Wade?

For all I know Riley sees Winslow as the future and he is willing to start a process of building for the next generation. Letting Deng and Wade walk would facilitate that.

Didn't like the Knuggets trade. I wanted the Knicks to blow it up and trade Melo since he got here. I blamed Melo for killing Linsanity. BUT.... I want Melo to stay now. I really like the way he has been playing. I love it that he has taken KP6 under his wings and the way he has protected him from other teams trying to intimidate KP6. I love that Melo looks for KP6 to get involved in the offense all the time. I love that he is playing very good defense. I love that he is playing team ball.

Nope. I want Melo to stay and bring us to the ECF next year then the Finals the following year. He has turned me into a Melo fan.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Clips dont like Blake. They did great when he was out...bad chemistry thing it seems.

I think NY would jump at that deal.

Yeah, "talent"-wise, Blake for Melo favors the Knicks... but man, I have to think CP3 HATES Blake at this point. That team is messed up in the head big time.

I think they do something this summer.

Maybe it's not Melo... who knows.

Nalod wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People are silly if they think the Knicks will get something of real value back(players). Melo is not going to break up a teams core again because he knows and the team knows that they'll need everyone. If Melo waives it he is looking to go to a contender that can compete for a title and you can't do that without other stars and a bench. Melo holds the power all the Knicks can do is keep him or get minor compensation and cap relief.

In my scenario Miami is better with Melo. The key here is Tyler Johnson stepping up.
Key in LA is Melo would be seen as a better fit than Grif.
Melo can hang 22-25 a nite. That is not chump change. In a three way, the team is giving up future assets to facilitate.
Example, if Melo wanted in Cleveland, Love is a good fit in Boston but not here. If Clev thinks Melo can get them a chip (not my opinion, just an example) they don't want Yoots or picks in return for Love, they want Melo.

What if Washington could get Durant, but feels like they can promote a guard and that Melo is a better fit than Wall? Thus, Melo for Wall upgrades their vision.
Its not just a talent swap were a trade depletes. Knicks had little to trade with so they wiped us out.

IN Miami, deng is gone. so the key is would Melo/Tyler Johnson be better than Winslow/Dragic NOW?
you have Bosh on the books, and want to resign Wade?

For all I know Riley sees Winslow as the future and he is willing to start a process of building for the next generation. Letting Deng and Wade walk would facilitate that.

I understand what you are saying I just think it is hopeful fan fantasy.

Melo is not an upgrade over Griffin, offensively or defensively and the Clipps see Griff as part of their future. If anything they'll want to add Melo without trading Blake.

Cleveland and LaLa don't mix.

Was- Really, come on now, they need pg play and Wall is Wesbrook lite who doesn't dominate the ball as much. He might be overrated but they're not trading Wall or Beal.

Miami- They absolutely love Winslow and knows they need him in the future even if they win a title. They'll likely need him as a backup for them to win a title if they got Melo. Dragic, Roberts, and a future 1st could be possible though. That would create a lot of room for Miami especially if Wade accepts a lower salary. That's about the only real option because Johnson and Richardson's potential.

But what use is a 30 year old Dragic to the Knicks? They'll should be looking for young players to grow up with KP. I guess they could try to flip him to Milwaukee, that's a good fit, for picks.

crzymdups wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Clips dont like Blake. They did great when he was out...bad chemistry thing it seems.

I think NY would jump at that deal.

Yeah, "talent"-wise, Blake for Melo favors the Knicks... but man, I have to think CP3 HATES Blake at this point. That team is messed up in the head big time.

I think they do something this summer.

Maybe it's not Melo... who knows.

Yeah i would think that if CP3 has any power in the organization, Blake will be gone this summer. First attempt for them will be in a deal for Durant, after that, i'm sure they will reach out to NY about Melo as well as some other clubs for players who are all-star level players. Maybe Atlanta for Millsap or Horford, plus Bazemore or Korver. Maybe the Bulls for Butler. Those are some teams that jump out. LAC need to change things up, without completely blowing it up.

Curry...CP3...Griffin- The basketball gods can be cruel.

Would not want Blake on the Knicks. My feeling is that Paul, Blake, and Jordan all enhance each other, but that Jordan and Blake would be much less successful outside of this player triad.

WaltLongmire wrote:Curry...CP3...Griffin- The basketball gods can be cruel.

Would not want Blake on the Knicks. My feeling is that Paul, Blake, and Jordan all enhance each other, but that Jordan and Blake would be much less successful outside of this player triad.

I always felt that Blake and Jordan weren't great compliments and their skills overlap, but Paul is so good that it never really mattered. I think if you replace Blake with someone like Horford or Millsap who can space the floor a little and play better defense, they might end up being a better team right away, even if there is less talent. But the window would be smaller given advanced age.

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Curry...CP3...Griffin- The basketball gods can be cruel.

Would not want Blake on the Knicks. My feeling is that Paul, Blake, and Jordan all enhance each other, but that Jordan and Blake would be much less successful outside of this player triad.

I always felt that Blake and Jordan weren't great compliments and their skills overlap, but Paul is so good that it never really mattered. I think if you replace Blake with someone like Horford or Millsap who can space the floor a little and play better defense, they might end up being a better team right away, even if there is less talent. But the window would be smaller given advanced age.

Blake feels like a Celtic to me. Nothing more than a gut feeling. I'd move Melo to LAC and Blake to Bos in exchange for a bunch of the eight 1st and 2nd rd picks the Celts have this year -- which must include Brooklyn's pick. Another rebuild this year doesn't hurt so bad since we have a 2017 pick. We'd have to write Melo a big check and make sure LAC can accept the additional kicker salary, but it would be best for Melo and us.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Curry...CP3...Griffin- The basketball gods can be cruel.

Would not want Blake on the Knicks. My feeling is that Paul, Blake, and Jordan all enhance each other, but that Jordan and Blake would be much less successful outside of this player triad.

I always felt that Blake and Jordan weren't great compliments and their skills overlap, but Paul is so good that it never really mattered. I think if you replace Blake with someone like Horford or Millsap who can space the floor a little and play better defense, they might end up being a better team right away, even if there is less talent. But the window would be smaller given advanced age.

Blake feels like a Celtic to me. Nothing more than a gut feeling. I'd move Melo to LAC and Blake to Bos in exchange for a bunch of the eight 1st and 2nd rd picks the Celts have this year -- which must include Brooklyn's pick. Another rebuild this year doesn't hurt so bad since we have a 2017 pick. We'd have to write Melo a big check and make sure LAC can accept the additional kicker salary, but it would be best for Melo and us.

Yeah - Boston needs to be included in this deal and take Blake.

We get a package of Smart/Crowder/Mavs 2016 pick and Nets 2017 pick. I doubt we could get that but remember Celts are getting Blake.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People are silly if they think the Knicks will get something of real value back(players). Melo is not going to break up a teams core again because he knows and the team knows that they'll need everyone. If Melo waives it he is looking to go to a contender that can compete for a title and you can't do that without other stars and a bench. Melo holds the power all the Knicks can do is keep him or get minor compensation and cap relief.

In my scenario Miami is better with Melo. The key here is Tyler Johnson stepping up.
Key in LA is Melo would be seen as a better fit than Grif.
Melo can hang 22-25 a nite. That is not chump change. In a three way, the team is giving up future assets to facilitate.
Example, if Melo wanted in Cleveland, Love is a good fit in Boston but not here. If Clev thinks Melo can get them a chip (not my opinion, just an example) they don't want Yoots or picks in return for Love, they want Melo.

What if Washington could get Durant, but feels like they can promote a guard and that Melo is a better fit than Wall? Thus, Melo for Wall upgrades their vision.
Its not just a talent swap were a trade depletes. Knicks had little to trade with so they wiped us out.

IN Miami, deng is gone. so the key is would Melo/Tyler Johnson be better than Winslow/Dragic NOW?
you have Bosh on the books, and want to resign Wade?

For all I know Riley sees Winslow as the future and he is willing to start a process of building for the next generation. Letting Deng and Wade walk would facilitate that.

I understand what you are saying I just think it is hopeful fan fantasy.

Melo is not an upgrade over Griffin, offensively or defensively and the Clipps see Griff as part of their future. If anything they'll want to add Melo without trading Blake.

Cleveland and LaLa don't mix.

Was- Really, come on now, they need pg play and Wall is Wesbrook lite who doesn't dominate the ball as much. He might be overrated but they're not trading Wall or Beal.

Miami- They absolutely love Winslow and knows they need him in the future even if they win a title. They'll likely need him as a backup for them to win a title if they got Melo. Dragic, Roberts, and a future 1st could be possible though. That would create a lot of room for Miami especially if Wade accepts a lower salary. That's about the only real option because Johnson and Richardson's potential.

But what use is a 30 year old Dragic to the Knicks? They'll should be looking for young players to grow up with KP. I guess they could try to flip him to Milwaukee, that's a good fit, for picks.

Please understand I fully know what I speak of has little probability but if a team wants to move forward it comes at a price. First and foremost to extract value from melo one needs demand and multiple teams interested but also that team cannot deplete its core. Thus I look for teams that promote from within and have expendable assets that might be for the future. Winslow might have big upside but he is not close to Melo. Tyler Johnson might be seen as ready to step up making Dragic expendible. Its about the bench for Miami.

I used Wiz/Wall as an example. But if your Washington and Durant thinks Porter is ok but Melo instead of wall is a better fit, then you don't even think. That deal is Wall for Melo AND Durant. Tell me, would you trade John wall for Kevin Durant AND Melo? Of course you do. Do I think Wall and Melo is a fair trade on its own? That's not what I was saying. That is not a fair trade.

I used Cleveland also as an example of how a three way trade can work. I won't even think I can imagine what La La would or would not accept. But I do know She is tight with her cosmetics Company at Market America whose principals Live in Miami and she is down there a bit. I know the owners of the company. Melo owns a soccer team in Puerto Rico and with his Latin American heritage could very well be ok with playing in the gateway city we call Miami..............

What I don't know is Miami's game plan for the future.

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Clips dont like Blake. They did great when he was out...bad chemistry thing it seems.

I think NY would jump at that deal.

We would have to trade additional compensation, but this is the deal out there that would clearly get us the best return for Melo. But it would be a long drawn-out process because given age it isn't a fair deal straight up. Doc would try to pull every asset the Knicks own for the next 10 years, minus KP. Phil would really have to know where to draw the line, but there is no question that future draft compensation would be part of the package going to LA.

Why? Blake will be a FA after the end of next year. Doc had demand every assets from the Knicks knowing he will be a FA.

Best trade is melo to clips, Blake to Celtics, n knocks get picks.