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The closest pg I see to Steve Kerr is Seth curry???

I predict that this thread will somehow not get locked

Ty Greene is a guy from the DL that really reminds me of Steve Kerr. Not only does he have a very similar game, he even looks a lot like him physically. There are a few DL players I like more than Greene but I like him and think he could play in the NBA--play that same role Kerr/Paxson played in Chicago.

BRIGGS wrote:The closest pg I see to Steve Kerr is Seth curry???

Why have you not mentioned this Seth curry character before?

BRIGGS wrote:The closest pg I see to Steve Kerr is Seth curry???

Why have you not mentioned this Seth curry character before?

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The closest pg I see to Steve Kerr is Seth curry???

Why have you not mentioned this Seth curry character before?

Very few posts on the board are dedicated to player acquisition. It's become slogged down on why people hate the triangle Rambos stinks phil stinks etc. it's all about free agency the draft and trades. No coach is going to will or coach a team past any superior team. So I rarely talk about the coach I don't really care too much about what strategic offense or defense we have or are going yo use. At the end of the day we need some better players who fit and make sense. I think once a week I can come back up a player acquisition post

Why do we have to get players that remind us of players Phils had in the past?

Hey that guy reminds me of Jud Buchler, let's sign that motherfucker. Phil what is ya silly in the head? Wake up ya damn retarded idget. We got regular season games to win!

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The closest pg I see to Steve Kerr is Seth curry???

Why have you not mentioned this Seth curry character before?

Very few posts on the board are dedicated to player acquisition. It's become slogged down on why people hate the triangle Rambos stinks phil stinks etc. it's all about free agency the draft and trades. No coach is going to will or coach a team past any superior team. So I rarely talk about the coach I don't really care too much about what strategic offense or defense we have or are going yo use. At the end of the day we need some better players who fit and make sense. I think once a week I can come back up a player acquisition post

Ok, so Phil wants players that can play in his system and we need better players who fit.....got it and thanks for the breaking news.

mreinman wrote:I predict that this thread will somehow not get locked

You know, I could understand if you made fun of BRIGGS for posting his 1000th thread on Seth Curry, but it takes another level of douchiness to troll the way you do. Your depths are mesmerizing.

One thing about players like Seth is that it shows there are lower tier options out there for Phil to target. Trying to raise the overall level of play with non stars may be his only option. I would hope that we can catch a break and get players on the rise.

I'm curious if Phil will go hard after a kid like Hassan Whiteside. No pressing need but why not upgrade if the opportunity presents itself.

I'm also curious to see if Phil takes a shot at a RFA like Evan Fournier. Seems like the right time to test the Magic's resolve on spending on him when they have Hezonja.

nixluva wrote:One thing about players like Seth is that it shows there are lower tier options out there for Phil to target. Trying to raise the overall level of play with non stars may be his only option. I would hope that we can catch a break and get players on the rise.

I'm curious if Phil will go hard after a kid like Hassan Whiteside. No pressing need but why not upgrade if the opportunity presents itself.

I'm also curious to see if Phil takes a shot at a RFA like Evan Fournier. Seems like the right time to test the Magic's resolve on spending on him when they have Hezonja.

Were not getting Whiteside(does that make any sense to spend that kind of money on a non triangle type player?) where not getting Fournier. I just stayed with the guys I thought up

Gasol Bazemore Curry--all fit in and the draft Valentine(if possible) Forbes Ochefu McCaw Jones and I really like Bentil--maybe 2 or 3 of these guys.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:One thing about players like Seth is that it shows there are lower tier options out there for Phil to target. Trying to raise the overall level of play with non stars may be his only option. I would hope that we can catch a break and get players on the rise.

I'm curious if Phil will go hard after a kid like Hassan Whiteside. No pressing need but why not upgrade if the opportunity presents itself.

I'm also curious to see if Phil takes a shot at a RFA like Evan Fournier. Seems like the right time to test the Magic's resolve on spending on him when they have Hezonja.

Were not getting Whiteside(does that make any sense to spend that kind of money on a non triangle type player?) where not getting Fournier. I just stayed with the guys I thought up

Gasol Bazemore Curry--all fit in and the draft Valentine(if possible) Forbes Ochefu McCaw Jones and I really like Bentil--maybe 2 or 3 of these guys.

I don't think we'll get Whiteside, but is he much different from Bynum? (I genuinely don't know, I haven't really watched him much). Phil seems more set on skill over talent, so it seems he's happy keeping Lopez. I agree we have no shot at Fournier. Like I said in another thread, Phil seems to share some of your thinking so I won't be surprised if we end up with Curry and Bazemore

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:One thing about players like Seth is that it shows there are lower tier options out there for Phil to target. Trying to raise the overall level of play with non stars may be his only option. I would hope that we can catch a break and get players on the rise.

I'm curious if Phil will go hard after a kid like Hassan Whiteside. No pressing need but why not upgrade if the opportunity presents itself.

I'm also curious to see if Phil takes a shot at a RFA like Evan Fournier. Seems like the right time to test the Magic's resolve on spending on him when they have Hezonja.

Were not getting Whiteside(does that make any sense to spend that kind of money on a non triangle type player?) where not getting Fournier. I just stayed with the guys I thought up

Gasol Bazemore Curry--all fit in and the draft Valentine(if possible) Forbes Ochefu McCaw Jones and I really like Bentil--maybe 2 or 3 of these guys.

Phil was the one that had the Bulls sign Rodman and he went hard after DeAndre Jordan last summer!!! Don't assume that he isn't interested in that kind of big. RoLo was considered only a defensive big by most and he was able to expand his game. People tend to misunderstand Phil and what he likes. Not every player has to be the Prototypical Triangle player and he's proven that over the years.

As for Fournier I think there is a chance he could go after him. It's not low hanging fruit but the timing could be right to finally go after an RFA. We all know team's will shout how in love they are with a RFA and that they'll match any offer, but in practice that doesn't always happen.

Fournier is a pending free agent and the Magic have no idea what it will cost to keep him beyond this season. The Magic also are not sold that keeping Fournier at an inflated price tag is the best use of the free agent money. They played a similar hand with Harris last summer, trying to land Atlanta’s Paul Millsap before inking Harris to his long-term deal. The same is expected this summer.

The Magic will have the option to restrict Fournier’s free agency and see if there is a better place to put what could be $14-$16 million per season. If they can’t find a better option, they can always sign or match Fournier’s offers.

If they choose to pass on Fournier altogether, they still have Oladipo, who will be one more season along in his career and maybe a more reliable shooter after another offseason of work.

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Whiteside has nowhere near the offensive game Bynum had. He's more active defensively. I don't see a comp between the two.

I'm fine going after Seth Curry, I have no idea what guards Phil will chase at this point. Kinda have to see who Sacramento hires at coach to see how they'll lean at point guard between Curry, Rondo, Collison

Your IQ has got to be through the roof, and most NBA players don't have that, especially the young players under 5 yrs of NBA service.

One thing for certain, young Pg,s don't get and will need a 4 yr learning curb.

Thers's a reason phil tried to reach out to all his x players, starting with ODOM.

nixluva wrote:Phil was the one that had the Bulls sign Rodman and he went hard after DeAndre Jordan last summer!!! Don't assume that he isn't interested in that kind of big. RoLo was considered only a defensive big by most and he was able to expand his game. People tend to misunderstand Phil and what he likes. Not every player has to be the Prototypical Triangle player and he's proven that over the years.

I want to say that Rodman, DeAndre and Whiteside are very much different players. 2 were very much proven and Rodman was very much added to a special environment. With Whiteside you need constant mentoring and coaching and watching out for him. Don't think he fits Phil's profile as player he wants.

I can't see us signing Whiteside for any number of reasons, foremost of which is he will cost too much. In fact I don't see us adding to 4 or 5 unless a player is willing to come here cheap

Our biggest weakness in the triangle IMO was Afflalo. He simply wasn't smart with the basketball. Rarely passed and when he did it was because he found himself in trouble. He wasn't making a good situation better; he was making a sucky situation a little less sucky (with little time on the clock).

I think Jose and AA can contribute to this team but it should be off the bench; and if AA is going to be all pouty-faced about that, then his position is the first to fill with a better triangle fit. My crystal ball says Derozan.

At pg, it will be interesting. I am imagining a stop gap type player to add to the current mix. I'm hoping it's someone with a more reliable outside shot, if for no other reason than to at least have that skill to call upon at times, e.g., when a 3 is needed late in a game.

We need to find some diamonds in the rough; all good teams have someone like that

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil was the one that had the Bulls sign Rodman and he went hard after DeAndre Jordan last summer!!! Don't assume that he isn't interested in that kind of big. RoLo was considered only a defensive big by most and he was able to expand his game. People tend to misunderstand Phil and what he likes. Not every player has to be the Prototypical Triangle player and he's proven that over the years.

I want to say that Rodman, DeAndre and Whiteside are very much different players. 2 were very much proven and Rodman was very much added to a special environment. With Whiteside you need constant mentoring and coaching and watching out for him. Don't think he fits Phil's profile as player he wants.

There were LOTS of questions about Rodman's fit with the Bulls at the time. My point isn't so much that all these players are the same, just that Phil is more willing to add a player most would think aren't his type of player. DWill is another guy that some questioned because of his lack of BB IQ. He is willing to take chances on players that some consider a problem. In the Book Mind Games, it says Phil thought of his own rebel days as a Knick and he felt confident he could coach Rodman. They signed Jack Haley, Rodman's friend just to make him more confortable.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:I predict that this thread will somehow not get locked

You know, I could understand if you made fun of BRIGGS for posting his 1000th thread on Seth Curry, but it takes another level of douchiness to troll the way you do. Your depths are mesmerizing.

+1 !!!

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil was the one that had the Bulls sign Rodman and he went hard after DeAndre Jordan last summer!!! Don't assume that he isn't interested in that kind of big. RoLo was considered only a defensive big by most and he was able to expand his game. People tend to misunderstand Phil and what he likes. Not every player has to be the Prototypical Triangle player and he's proven that over the years.

I want to say that Rodman, DeAndre and Whiteside are very much different players. 2 were very much proven and Rodman was very much added to a special environment. With Whiteside you need constant mentoring and coaching and watching out for him. Don't think he fits Phil's profile as player he wants.

There were LOTS of questions about Rodman's fit with the Bulls at the time. My point isn't so much that all these players are the same, just that Phil is more willing to add a player most would think aren't his type of player. DWill is another guy that some questioned because of his lack of BB IQ. He is willing to take chances on players that some consider a problem. In the Book Mind Games, it says Phil thought of his own rebel days as a Knick and he felt confident he could coach Rodman. They signed Jack Haley, Rodman's friend just to make him more confortable.

I get your point, but Whiteside also has a Max or near max price point, don't think Phil would go for that.

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil was the one that had the Bulls sign Rodman and he went hard after DeAndre Jordan last summer!!! Don't assume that he isn't interested in that kind of big. RoLo was considered only a defensive big by most and he was able to expand his game. People tend to misunderstand Phil and what he likes. Not every player has to be the Prototypical Triangle player and he's proven that over the years.

I want to say that Rodman, DeAndre and Whiteside are very much different players. 2 were very much proven and Rodman was very much added to a special environment. With Whiteside you need constant mentoring and coaching and watching out for him. Don't think he fits Phil's profile as player he wants.

There were LOTS of questions about Rodman's fit with the Bulls at the time. My point isn't so much that all these players are the same, just that Phil is more willing to add a player most would think aren't his type of player. DWill is another guy that some questioned because of his lack of BB IQ. He is willing to take chances on players that some consider a problem. In the Book Mind Games, it says Phil thought of his own rebel days as a Knick and he felt confident he could coach Rodman. They signed Jack Haley, Rodman's friend just to make him more confortable.

I get your point, but Whiteside also has a Max or near max price point, don't think Phil would go for that.

It's hard to say but he was chasing DeAndre pretty hard. He might see it as a way to not only improve the Knicks but weaken an opponent as well as keeping him from some other Eastern team. Having him would make the Knicks Froncourt dominant for 48 minutes IMO. It would be an expensive choice but if he can't get a top Guard it might be worth the investment.