CrushAlot wrote:This guy is affiliated with TKB. Not sure that this is credible.
For some reason your Tweet link didn't work.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:This guy is affiliated with TKB. Not sure that this is credible.
For some reason your Tweet link didn't work.
How can someone on Twitter with 756 followers possibly be wrong?
smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:This guy is affiliated with TKB. Not sure that this is credible.
For some reason your Tweet link didn't work.
How can someone on Twitter with 756 followers possibly be wrong?
Hahahaha. This is probably just someone that saw the same thing we saw about Phil being seen having lunch with Blatt and decided to put this out hoping he gets it right and i also hope he gets it right and if he gets it wrong i hope it's only being wrong because Vogel gets the gig.
newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:This guy is affiliated with TKB. Not sure that this is credible.
For some reason your Tweet link didn't work.
How can someone on Twitter with 756 followers possibly be wrong?
Hahahaha. This is probably just someone that saw the same thing we saw about Phil being seen having lunch with Blatt and decided to put this out hoping he gets it right and i also hope he gets it right and if he gets it wrong i hope it's only being wrong because Vogel gets the gig.
I also am hoping for (but not expecting) Vogel, however if it is Blatt in the end I will laugh long and hard about all of the media and fan hysteria over Phil's coaching search- he will essentially of signed his target on his own schedule- everyone else will look like impatient, hysterical fools!
Blatt seems to not really be in the news hot and heavy on anyones hire list. At least in the limited stuff I'm looking at.
Vogel is dancing with orlando.
I like Blatt over Vogel. Lets not think past records somehow move over to knicks. Vogel had a nice run in indy. He was an advanced scout for Phil, never sat on the bench and according to Vogel, only met Phil once while employed.
my take for Blatt is he is tight with Mills and I want to see a long tenure in management and with coach's on the knicks. The days of high turn over must end in some form!!!
Nalod cool with what ever Phil decides.
nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
Would you hire your best friend if he was a decent guy, who new a lot about your business, but would only serve well in a limited role.
I don't think phil is an idiot, but you have to wonder why he so obsessed with the triangle.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
Would you hire your best friend if he was a decent guy, who new a lot about your business, but would only serve well in a limited role.
I don't think phil is an idiot, but you have to wonder why he so obsessed with the triangle.
11 rings. Bling don't lie.
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
Would you hire your best friend if he was a decent guy, who new a lot about your business, but would only serve well in a limited role.
I don't think phil is an idiot, but you have to wonder why he so obsessed with the triangle.
11 rings. Bling don't lie.
11 rings as a coach. 0 as an executive.
Phil has shown he can coach the Triangle. Unfortunately nobody else he knows can do it as well as him. Not Fisher and definitely not Rambis. The obsession with this system has been and will continue to be his downfall.
The question was why was he obsessed. The Triangle is what he knows.
Nalod wrote:The question was why was he obsessed. The Triangle is what he knows.
That's fine - too bad he doesn't realize nobody else knows it as well as him.
Funny .. How Blatt and Luke Walton has not showed any form of head coaching ability or creative-coaching in the NBA to be in the top-10 available head coaches .. Blatt having team-leader-coach Lebron, and Luke having championship Team-Curry
I also looks like the Blatt Dinner was from 2 weeks ago whereas the rumored Vogel meeting was from last week.
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
Would you hire your best friend if he was a decent guy, who new a lot about your business, but would only serve well in a limited role.
I don't think phil is an idiot, but you have to wonder why he so obsessed with the triangle.
11 rings. Bling don't lie.
Your post and your sig make a rhyme, keep both
JamesKPolk wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
Would you hire your best friend if he was a decent guy, who new a lot about your business, but would only serve well in a limited role.
I don't think phil is an idiot, but you have to wonder why he so obsessed with the triangle.
11 rings. Bling don't lie.
11 rings as a coach. 0 as an executive.
Phil has shown he can coach the Triangle. Unfortunately nobody else he knows can do it as well as him. Not Fisher and definitely not Rambis. The obsession with this system has been and will continue to be his downfall.
They probably said the exact same thing before herhe won his first ring as a coach
nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
Yes! PJ is a expensive IDIOT! letting Dolan n Mills call all the shots from management to coaching to receive 49 wins out of two seasons of b,ball.
Plus it was a full season of assistant coach Kareem Jabbar that put Bynum big man performance on the map.
PJ has been the only coach that had success with the triangle offense, many coaches tried the triangle-offense in the NBA and NCAA and failed.
H1AND1 wrote:nixluva wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:The update is that senile Phil is sitting around waiting to pick the right time to announce Kurt Rambis as coach.Here we had Tom Thibodeau on the market. Frank Vogel is on the market.
Yet Kurt f'n Rambis is discussed as the top candidate because of the Triangle.
Phil has ran is course here. Did some nice things - like give us Porzingis and Lopez - but the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is his utter insistence on having his friends and associates be the only ones that can work for him. It failed with Fisher and it's going to fail with Rambis.
Why the disrespect? I simply don't understand this point of view when I read it and unfortunately around the internet I see it far too often. Do you suppose the Knicks could be in better hands for a rebuild? Cuz this is a rebuild and we haven't been able to get a GM to do that here and finish the job. IMO it's folly to be making disparaging comments about Phil being Senile. One of the most difficult things is to rebuild a franchise.Phil is actually allowing his staff to do work and they are being groomed to take over when is actually gone. He's trusting his people and they are doing their jobs. We saw this with the D League team and it's extending all the way up to the big team. This is not a joke organization no matter how many times the media try to make it seem so. People need to open their damned eyes and see what's really going on. F'n UNREAL.
Whoever the coach is Phil is looking to improve this team and build it into a championship team. That is a herculean task anywhere and even harder to do in NY. Some respect for just how hard it is to accomplish would be proper.
You may not understand the point of view however it's just as valid an opinion as your own. Nix you seem to think Jax can do no wrong the fact of the matter is Rambis should _not even be dischssed_ as a serious candidate for the job. The reason being no matter how much he knows the triangle, no matter how well Phil knows him, etc etc he has had AMPLE opportunity go to show he is a capable NBA head coach in almost 300 career games and he hasn't even won 50 of them. That is horrible, no matter the personnel and the excuses of rebuilding, David Kahn, etc etc. You have Anthony and likely Mills putting it out in the press that they have no faith in the guy and you also have rumblings that Porzingis wasn't happy how he was utilized. His numbers also flailed when Rambis took over and decided a player who could be the ultimate stretch 4-5 and Rambis wants him down low most of the time. In Minny he also alienated a young Kevin Love, used him totally wrong and benched him for Ryan Freaking Gomes. That is a bad, bad sign. No denying that. He has only shown himself to be a bad coach. A very bad coach in all his opportunities. His interim time with the Knicks he had just as bad a record as fisher and had vets openly questioning why he wasn't developing the young guys. I mean. WTF???
Rambis' reputation around the league is that of a laughingstock. Where there is smoke there is fire. Now you nor I have any real clue what's going on the locker room however going from what we read and get from sources around the NBA and elsewhere the idea of hiring Rambis is UNIVERSALLY regarded as a terrible move. You just can't discount this as "Phil 11 rings, rebuilding, triangle blah blah blah".
To not even interview Tbibs is horrible. To even discuss Rambis is horrible. I haven't been a Phil detractor so far but this whole Rambis thing is beyond the pale. I'm sorry.
While some of your points are valid. Some of them aren't so much. Kevin Love put up 20pts, 15rebs, 2.5ast, 59 TS% 41 3pt% on 2.9attempts. So what ever coaching method he used must have worked. Having KP work on his post game will expand KPs game and will only benefit him down the road. Sure it may have cost the Knicks games this season in order to develop him but big picture its the better decision. Plus KP was expected to need a couple of yrs of development yet after working with Rambis as his developmental coach after being drafted he was ready from day one.
The next season Rick Adelman who has a career win % of .582 and has won 1074 basketball games won 26 games with the Wovles.
But regardless of that. There is a downside to bringing in a big name coach as long as Phil wants the triangle. If this coach isn't winning and isn't doing things the way Phil wants then Phil will probably have to fire that coach again just like Fisher. Most of the top coaches are going to want to do it there way. People will choose sides and there will be a split in how the team should be run which isn't going to lead to winning. As long as Phil is the Prez and wants the triangle then Rambis would be the cleaner option or a coach that is willing to give Phil hands on leeway. Other options could lead to dysfunction. Which of course fans and media would eat up and revel in.
nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
Then explain Rambis' record as head coach. Why is it so atrocious? Some guys aren't cut out to be head coaches but are fine as assistants. In fact there are many, many assistant coaches who just wouldn't cut the mustard as a top guy. Rambis is clearly one of those guys. His record speaks for itself. He couldn't get one extra ounce of performance out of this Knicks team as the interim coach. That is all you really need to know. Also, crediting Rambis for Bynum isn't exactly a good example. Bynum flamed out of the league and was a total headcase.
Can we please get a fingers-crossed emoji?
I want like 10 of them for Vogel.
I don't think it's a legit criticism of Phil to not interview thibs. Guy is a nightmare and comes from a coaching pool that quits. His team was stacked and he still ran stars into the ground. You'd think rose and Noah were older than melo at this point
I think H1and1 criticism is a bit over the top but he makes a very good point about head coaches. There are a lot of guys who know the game, development etc but just don't translate to head coaches. Same is true in football. Something to keep in mind.
