Knicks · True Fact: Knicks org. 'missed' Steph Curry Draft: Future NBA Drafts key to NYK winning title in future (page 1)

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ex NBA NYK Donnie Walsh prez/gm knew. The direction of the knicks was #7th pick in past NBA draft.

Where does plan for evaluating the NBA system of talents in college level fall on ?
NBA NYK owners ? or right people surrounding them such as Draft management/personnel, and its importance.
Especially after Knicks 'missed out' on GS star Steph Curry.

Sure I am not crazy to realize this ain't Knicks Fault, your team had to be lucky that a Steph Curry was on draft board
in the 1st place. Also Donnie Walsh ex-prez was right on target with all his valued homework on Steph Curry being 'THE Guy'.

Futhermore, interesting S.Curry wanted to be a NY Knick VERY very badly. Didn't happen, close but no cigar.
You'd Think our Org. would change it's philosophy on value/gold of NBA Drafting ? Hmmmmm I am not sure about that.
In that that ain't a Phil J, Or Coaching issue. Believe its the other Knicks bosses whom point to their drafting plan/methods.

Donnie Walsh was to be a hero, Steph Curry wanted NY Knicks all along in ill fated NBA DRAFT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/14/sports...

I am sure this been talked about in past, even long before Carmelo Anthony settled into NewYork several years ago
which now seems like forever.

However the direction of our/my beloved Knicks was right where Donnie Walsh wanted it
opportunity to DRAFT Steph Curry, a lock if Knicks didn't have GS Warriors right before them.

Point the DJ is simply stating here is we know NBA DRAFTING isn't Knicks bra_ss Or org. strongpoint in the past 1-2 decades
period.

The Importance of NBA drafting and building towards getting picks is something NY Knicks have far ignored
because of lack of patience & insight onto success lots of other teams not named BULLs, SPURs, HEAT, past LAKERs and so on.
(i.e. OKC Thunder, Warriors, past Pistons, Rockets, etc)

ALL I am saying is regardless of whom's coaching Or GM there is no one in pro sports whom isn't building title
contenders without USER and homework, legwork of the valued tool called DRAFT.

Knicks get a pass here of course cause of 'Luck' of GS Warriors had same intent for Steph Curry as NY Knicks had for
that pick of Curry, which if KNICKS got that of course was going to change & improve this NYK organization fortunes
for years to come to compete at NBA level as contenders.

I am not sure if that failure is KNICKs J.Dolan ? or Scouting, folks whom are brought into organization to assess things like NBA draft, salary caps and stuff towards evaluating talents (e.g. next Michael, Kobe, Bird, Lebron, Durant, Wade ..etc)
NBA League been getting fast younger & younger since a 18-19 yr. old Lebron first came into NBA & blossomed.

What do you think ? ? ?

Don Nelson, former Knick coach, took Curry one pick ahead of Walsh, to stick it to the Knicks. It worked.

Walsh had his opportunities. Knicks were talking trade with Minnesota. If Dantoni and Walsh really wanted Curry that bad, they could have overpaid to move up 2 slots. They had Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, and Nate Robinson all as young trade chips. I really believe the number #8 pick and Wilson Chandler would have been all that was needed. If not, add additional draft or cash compensation. It may have been perceived as a bad deal at first, but that is what these guys are paid to do, take calculated risks. It would have paid off but Walsh fell short. He had the opportunity to move up for him, that much is obvious.

Knixkik wrote:Walsh had his opportunities. Knicks were talking trade with Minnesota. If Dantoni and Walsh really wanted Curry that bad, they could have overpaid to move up 2 slots. They had Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, and Nate Robinson all as young trade chips. I really believe the number #8 pick and Wilson Chandler would have been all that was needed. If not, add additional draft or cash compensation. It may have been perceived as a bad deal at first, but that is what these guys are paid to do, take calculated risks. It would have paid off but Walsh fell short. He had the opportunity to move up for him, that much is obvious.

He also didn't appear to have much of a back up plan if Rubio and Curry were off the board.

CrushAlot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Walsh had his opportunities. Knicks were talking trade with Minnesota. If Dantoni and Walsh really wanted Curry that bad, they could have overpaid to move up 2 slots. They had Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, and Nate Robinson all as young trade chips. I really believe the number #8 pick and Wilson Chandler would have been all that was needed. If not, add additional draft or cash compensation. It may have been perceived as a bad deal at first, but that is what these guys are paid to do, take calculated risks. It would have paid off but Walsh fell short. He had the opportunity to move up for him, that much is obvious.

He also didn't appear to have much of a back up plan if Rubio and Curry were off the board.

What? Jordan Hill is a perfect back up.

How they gonna write an article about the Curry draft and not mention Kahn and Minnesota? That's 90% of the story

CrushAlot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Walsh had his opportunities. Knicks were talking trade with Minnesota. If Dantoni and Walsh really wanted Curry that bad, they could have overpaid to move up 2 slots. They had Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, and Nate Robinson all as young trade chips. I really believe the number #8 pick and Wilson Chandler would have been all that was needed. If not, add additional draft or cash compensation. It may have been perceived as a bad deal at first, but that is what these guys are paid to do, take calculated risks. It would have paid off but Walsh fell short. He had the opportunity to move up for him, that much is obvious.

He also didn't appear to have much of a back up plan if Rubio and Curry were off the board.

Agreed ..there was no backup plan when Curry and Rubio off the board

However with Walsh past reputation we kinda trusted that guy as experienced Draft/talent guru
the Knick team did not have since whom..? perhaps Ernie Grunfeld ? who was better than given
credit for & did with what he had to use, to surround some of the early Ewing teams with complimentary talents
long before the Dynamic duo of MJ and Pippen of Bulls.

Pat Riley may have been a rat leaving our Knicks for $$$ Heat
however he was correct on one thing. "You need more than 1 guy/superstar/star"

As evident by his HEAT teams before Lebron and after Pat Riley/Ownership bosses surrounds himself with
good talent scouts is reason why HEAT remain competive and got 2-3 NBA Rings

My point of post is
Do we Trust ? the Knicks Scouts say going forward in Summer (deals, drafts, trade) and
and next few seasons 2017/18 to prove the NBA draft is BEST way and more valuable to
quickly improve Knicks , even before Free Agency (FA).

Not saying not to use FA crop

But we need to get better at Drafting.

At least since last yr. Phil Jackson is talking about it and has done 1-2 deals
say in case of Hardaway deal to get rights for J.Grant PG whom will be a player in NBA for Knicks.
That's what I'm talking about & would like to see more seriousness of Knicks to get real good at
NBA finds in the nba draft.

Kristaps Porzingy ..NBA career depends on it in NY, he needs the talent help & youth skillset players
alongside him in a hurry.

I don't know why everyone is crying over spilled milk. Every GM that has come here has made mistakes. They all lack forsight. It started in the 80's when the Knicks didn't renew King's contract to pair with Ewing. To resigning X-man. This organization has made huge mistakes but the biggest mistake they have always made is not tanking the seasons. They always managed to win some useless games that sets them back even further.

Thinking back to the Curry draft they passed up Derozan. That draft reminded me of the Kenny Walker draft. Soon as Chuck Person was off the board the Knicks got stupid and drafted Walker similar to drafting Hill. It's as though they have no contingency plan.

The reason why Phil Jackson is going to be successful is because he knows it's really all about the draft. That's why he tanked last season. That is why he made moves to get back in to the draft and add Grant.

Vmart wrote:I don't know why everyone is crying over spilled milk. Every GM that has come here has made mistakes. They all lack forsight. It started in the 80's when the Knicks didn't renew King's contract to pair with Ewing. To resigning X-man. This organization has made huge mistakes but the biggest mistake they have always made is not tanking the seasons. They always managed to win some useless games that sets them back even further.

Thinking back to the Curry draft they passed up Derozan. That draft reminded me of the Kenny Walker draft. Soon as Chuck Person was off the board the Knicks got stupid and drafted Walker similar to drafting Hill. It's as though they have no contingency plan.

The reason why Phil Jackson is going to be successful is because he knows it's really all about the draft. That's why he tanked last season. That is why he made moves to get back in to the draft and add Grant.

The problem is, we had the foresight and did nothing about it. We wanted Steph, knew he would be good, and was coming into the league underrated because everyone was so focused on his weaknesses. I was very surprised he didn't go #3 to OKC. I was even more surprised that Sacramento and Minnesota (twice) passed him over. We had no idea he would change the game today and be an MVP, but a lot of us, included Donnie, felt he was a sure thing to be at least a very good player. He had the opportunity to do something about it, armed with trade chips and a trade partner in Minn, and couldn't get it done. That is the most disappointing part.

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't know why everyone is crying over spilled milk. Every GM that has come here has made mistakes. They all lack forsight. It started in the 80's when the Knicks didn't renew King's contract to pair with Ewing. To resigning X-man. This organization has made huge mistakes but the biggest mistake they have always made is not tanking the seasons. They always managed to win some useless games that sets them back even further.

Thinking back to the Curry draft they passed up Derozan. That draft reminded me of the Kenny Walker draft. Soon as Chuck Person was off the board the Knicks got stupid and drafted Walker similar to drafting Hill. It's as though they have no contingency plan.

The reason why Phil Jackson is going to be successful is because he knows it's really all about the draft. That's why he tanked last season. That is why he made moves to get back in to the draft and add Grant.

The problem is, we had the foresight and did nothing about it. We wanted Steph, knew he would be good, and was coming into the league underrated because everyone was so focused on his weaknesses. I was very surprised he didn't go #3 to OKC. I was even more surprised that Sacramento and Minnesota (twice) passed him over. We had no idea he would change the game today and be an MVP, but a lot of us, included Donnie, felt he was a sure thing to be at least a very good player. He had the opportunity to do something about it, armed with trade chips and a trade partner in Minn, and couldn't get it done. That is the most disappointing part.

Foresight requires planning and thinking ahead. The Knicks wanted Curry but they weren't willing to go all in. Which means tanking and they didn't do it.

You want to see foresight you have to see Cleveland and what hokey shyt show the NBA is. Knowing full well that NBA is all invested into LeBron they create a way to get LeBron into a spot light (Miami) all the while making sure that Cleveland gets better for his return (3 overall number one picks).

Phil is planning the other GMs the Knicks had were doing everything on the fly. The thing about NBA is you have to create a position where a team can be lucky you have to be all in there is no half assing it.

look me in the eye and tell me he would not have been included in the trade for Melo.
And........
Few if any thought curry would be this good.

Nalod wrote:look me in the eye and tell me he would not have been included in the trade for Melo.
And........
Few if any thought curry would be this good.

Curry would've been traded for peanuts, due to his lack of defense and gunner mentality, which is not your typical NYC Mark Jackson or Charlie Ward type of PG. He would've been moved to the SG and the NY paper and fans would say he's a tweener.....SG in a PG body. He would've been the first player traded for Melo!

This environment is poison for rookies. Grant is a good example of a very good player, who looks very marginal. As we all saw, he turned into a very good player towards the end of the season, since there was no pressure and his playing time was given to him based on other player injuries. This is why some of the young guys we had leave and blossom in other system environments.

We have to change that culture here and learn how to bring in young players and nurture them into being an impact player, instead of shipping them out so fast. Phil has done a great job so far, starting a youth development system in NY. Something we haven't seen in years, if not ever!

Nalod wrote:look me in the eye and tell me he would not have been included in the trade for Melo.
And........
Few if any thought curry would be this good.

I agree with that .. Steph to be as GOOD posibly great one day forthcoming
we never seen it

However one thing in mind
at the time we NEEDED desperately shooter

S.Curry fit that as best coming out of draft that season
if NY was picking ahead of Warriors we'd fit that Need with Walsh pick
and get all the bonuses that came after.

We still need
*Shooter consistent
*PG first

same stuff we all been lamented on this board from the Post JVG/Don Nelson days

we have not been the same since that...

PG Steph Marbury whom Zeke Thomas was in love with
killed us in deals that wrecked the organization for decade.

Blame that one on JJ Dolan and Zeke Thomas of course!
*grins

Vmart wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't know why everyone is crying over spilled milk. Every GM that has come here has made mistakes. They all lack forsight. It started in the 80's when the Knicks didn't renew King's contract to pair with Ewing. To resigning X-man. This organization has made huge mistakes but the biggest mistake they have always made is not tanking the seasons. They always managed to win some useless games that sets them back even further.

Thinking back to the Curry draft they passed up Derozan. That draft reminded me of the Kenny Walker draft. Soon as Chuck Person was off the board the Knicks got stupid and drafted Walker similar to drafting Hill. It's as though they have no contingency plan.

The reason why Phil Jackson is going to be successful is because he knows it's really all about the draft. That's why he tanked last season. That is why he made moves to get back in to the draft and add Grant.

The problem is, we had the foresight and did nothing about it. We wanted Steph, knew he would be good, and was coming into the league underrated because everyone was so focused on his weaknesses. I was very surprised he didn't go #3 to OKC. I was even more surprised that Sacramento and Minnesota (twice) passed him over. We had no idea he would change the game today and be an MVP, but a lot of us, included Donnie, felt he was a sure thing to be at least a very good player. He had the opportunity to do something about it, armed with trade chips and a trade partner in Minn, and couldn't get it done. That is the most disappointing part.

Foresight requires planning and thinking ahead. The Knicks wanted Curry but they weren't willing to go all in. Which means tanking and they didn't do it.

You want to see foresight you have to see Cleveland and what hokey shyt show the NBA is. Knowing full well that NBA is all invested into LeBron they create a way to get LeBron into a spot light (Miami) all the while making sure that Cleveland gets better for his return (3 overall number one picks).

Phil is planning the other GMs the Knicks had were doing everything on the fly. The thing about NBA is you have to create a position where a team can be lucky you have to be all in there is no half assing it.

My point is, we had the opportunity and desire to acquire Curry during the draft, and made the decision not to.

It's not so much the Knicks missed out on Steph Curry in the 2009 draft.

It's that we missed out on Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, or any serviceable point guards at the time that we desperately needed one and ended up with Toney Doodoo.

You guys would be the best drafters in the world if you had a time traveling machine and you could travel 3/4 years into the future to see how well these kids turn out to be and then travel back to make your draft picks. Hahahahah SMDH

Sometimes it's not the players drafted but the team doing the drafting. Knicks have never been known for player development. They haven't developed a superstar since Ewing. So some of the blame has to go on the Knicks for probably destroying player potential.

Sangfroid wrote:Don Nelson, former Knick coach, took Curry one pick ahead of Walsh, to stick it to the Knicks. It worked.

My Don Nelson voodoo doll has so many holes in it, I am surprised the real DN doesn't leak fluids like a sieve

Moonangie wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:Don Nelson, former Knick coach, took Curry one pick ahead of Walsh, to stick it to the Knicks. It worked.

My Don Nelson voodoo doll has so many holes in it, I am surprised the real DN doesn't leak fluids like a sieve

LOL
I see your point
Good one !

Wow GS Don Nelson Ex Warrior coach, Ex Knick Coach and
of course in Reed/Clyde Frazier days EX-CELTIC killers whom Knicks teams (1970's, 1972-3) NBA champs slain them Boston Celtics teams of D.Nelson,Hondo,JoJo,Cowens
*whoa