StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:KD on this team would be in a totally different environment from how he's existed playing along with Westbrook. I think KD would benefit from playing with a less shot happy PG. Everything Phil believes in is about more TEAM than selfish Hero Ball. I suspect things would be a lot more balanced and KD would be in a better role. Knicks would actually have effective post players and passers so that KD would not have to worry about getting great shots as opposed to having to force shots. I believe that is the kind of team Phil is looking to build.IMO Westbrook is a LOT like Harden. Who reminds me of an Allen Iverson type. Just surround them with defenders, shooters and finishers and let him do his thing. that's the only way it works with players like that. They are mostly effective WITH THE BALL.
im a durant fan but im not sure he fits here unless we move lopez or melo.
Um, I'd move anyone KD wanted me to if he were willing to come here!
We do need a shooting guard above all else.... but if you can get Durant? You make it work.
Do not bring up the Bullshit about being able to share the ball. The truth is great players figure it out. Bosh, Wade and LeBron... lebron,Kyrie and love.... KP, Paul Pierce and ray Allen... bird, McHale, parish.... magic, worthy, Kareem.
Besides, it's only one Melo and one durant.... they can get there no problem. KP, Jerian, and Wroten can feed off them.... it's fantastic actually. The Knicks problems were they were slow and couldn't score. Their defense was decent/mediocre. Durant would make them a contender with Hornacek as coach.
Bonn1997 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:KD on this team would be in a totally different environment from how he's existed playing along with Westbrook. I think KD would benefit from playing with a less shot happy PG. Everything Phil believes in is about more TEAM than selfish Hero Ball. I suspect things would be a lot more balanced and KD would be in a better role. Knicks would actually have effective post players and passers so that KD would not have to worry about getting great shots as opposed to having to force shots. I believe that is the kind of team Phil is looking to build.IMO Westbrook is a LOT like Harden. Who reminds me of an Allen Iverson type. Just surround them with defenders, shooters and finishers and let him do his thing. that's the only way it works with players like that. They are mostly effective WITH THE BALL.
im a durant fan but im not sure he fits here unless we move lopez or melo.
Um, I'd move anyone KD wanted me to if he were willing to come here!
oh i agree. Except KP of course
would be a stupendous addition on so many levels including filling out pipeline between Melo and KP. KD will still be a force when KP becomes one (not that he's shabby now, but i mean all star, all nba type player)
having said that i put the odds at near 0 though IMO we're the only destination that makes sense other than OKC -- which is where he will remain.
LAL is a sh1t show, with D'angelo russel showing the maturity of a moron and no one else exciting -- sorry Julius
makes no sense to go to SAS or GSW. Maybe if he were over 30 and desperate for a chip the way Barkley was at one point. But he doesn't want to go someplace no, where he won't be viewed as the key cog, and if he does want to go to a situation like that, then we don't want him anyway. We want someone who wants to be in NY at least as much as Melp and KP claim to want to
Dagger wrote:What is up with all these articles about "Knicks being a long shot for Durant", "could porzingis lure Durant to NY?", "Durant will only consider Knicks if they sign a guard".We do not need Durant at all, he would add very little to our team. Porzingis, Melo, and Durant all play virtually the same position and all occupy the same spaces on the floor. Yes, that's right, our two best players occupy the same role on a team as Kevin Durant. So why exactly do we need ANOTHER ball-dominant scoring forward? We need a top tier GUARD plain and simple. Chasing Durant because he's the sexy name will be the worst thing this franchise could do. We tried fitting a square peg in a round hole with the stat-melo pairing and it failed. Let's not make the same mistake twice of acquiring talent for talent's sake without actually thinking about how pieces fit together. Also, Durant was simply awful in this warriors series anyway, it's unclear whether he's still an mvp level player.
trust me. no need to worry. he'll say no to us first. lol
If OKC adds Evan Turner they become a championship team. They need a smart ball mover at sg and Turner really fits.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:KD on this team would be in a totally different environment from how he's existed playing along with Westbrook. I think KD would benefit from playing with a less shot happy PG. Everything Phil believes in is about more TEAM than selfish Hero Ball. I suspect things would be a lot more balanced and KD would be in a better role. Knicks would actually have effective post players and passers so that KD would not have to worry about getting great shots as opposed to having to force shots. I believe that is the kind of team Phil is looking to build.IMO Westbrook is a LOT like Harden. Who reminds me of an Allen Iverson type. Just surround them with defenders, shooters and finishers and let him do his thing. that's the only way it works with players like that. They are mostly effective WITH THE BALL.
im a durant fan but im not sure he fits here unless we move lopez or melo.
Um, I'd move anyone KD wanted me to if he were willing to come here!
oh i agree. Except KP of course
Yeah, I didn't mean I'd move KP. It was an overstatement.
The idea that Kevin Durant would ever even consider the Knicks is laughable. Moving on.
newyorker4ever wrote:Actually in a small ball lineup it would be:C--KP
PF--Melo or Durant
SF--Durant or Melo
Then they could either trade Rolo for a guard or just keep him and he could still play 25/30 minutes off the bench. I know this isn't happening so don't get all crazy i'm just saying that if by some crazy chance we did somehow get him there is plenty of ways that everyone could still get plenty of floor time.
The problem isn't floor time, the problem is sharing the ball. By the time Melo and Durant get their touches you are looking at a repeat of OKC.
Vmart wrote:If OKC adds Evan Turner they become a championship team. They need a smart ball mover at sg and Turner really fits.
That's an excellent observation. I wonder if they make that move?
meloshouldgo wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Actually in a small ball lineup it would be:C--KP
PF--Melo or Durant
SF--Durant or Melo
Then they could either trade Rolo for a guard or just keep him and he could still play 25/30 minutes off the bench. I know this isn't happening so don't get all crazy i'm just saying that if by some crazy chance we did somehow get him there is plenty of ways that everyone could still get plenty of floor time.
The problem isn't floor time, the problem is sharing the ball. By the time Melo and Durant get their touches you are looking at a repeat of OKC.
I actually think they would have less of a problem blending than you suggest. Melo and KD have been able to play with other top players and fall back a bit. I think the difference is that we will likely add more ball movers to the roster so that things would have the right balance. If you have KP, Melo and KD of course they'll take the majority of the shots tho.
Vmart wrote:If OKC adds Evan Turner they become a championship team. They need a smart ball mover at sg and Turner really fits.
He'd really help them. But I don't think they'll have much cap room if they pay Durant the max. I think they have $68M on the books and Durant's max is $25M. That takes them to $93M and the cap is supposed to be around $92-95.
I sort of think they may move Kanter to create some space though.
Phil is said to like Evan Turner and I think he'd be a good SG here. A Wroten / Turner backcourt? Can't shoot much, but Melo and KP can.
My take: Melo shot poorly last year and has few game winning shots. He's sliding as a player tends to do at 32. Upside is that he did pass the ball. KD could be attracted to the unicorn and Melo and NY. Stranger things can happen. Lopez should stay as he's your anchor and your Steve Adams, someone scrappy who doesn't need shots to impact. Grant and Weoten may prove talented yet both unproven. Neither possesses the ability to beep a defense honest by shooting a decent percentage from 3 (or two). Thus, KD goes from a "low IQ" pg in Westbrook to a "can't hit the J backcourt in nY. Seth Curry may be an answer yet we will have run out of $$$
I'd bet a large sum that KD is going to sign a one year so he can sign a bigger deal next year and he can be a UFA at the same time as Westbrook and Ibaka
LOL how can the Knicks even consider signing Durant. They only have 19mill to play with. With what money people?!!
If anything he's signing a 1 year deal with OKC and getting a SUPERMAX contract when the cap balloons even more.
ChuckBuck wrote:LOL how can the Knicks even consider signing Durant. They only have 19mill to play with. With what money people?!!If anything he's signing a 1 year deal with OKC and getting a SUPERMAX contract when the cap balloons even more.
I think most assume Williams and Afflalo will opt out. If that is the case the Knicks will have closer to 30 mil in space. That's more realistic then signing a player to the max who doesn't address our core need (the backcourt) and wants to compete for a Championship.
nixluva wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Actually in a small ball lineup it would be:C--KP
PF--Melo or Durant
SF--Durant or Melo
Then they could either trade Rolo for a guard or just keep him and he could still play 25/30 minutes off the bench. I know this isn't happening so don't get all crazy i'm just saying that if by some crazy chance we did somehow get him there is plenty of ways that everyone could still get plenty of floor time.
The problem isn't floor time, the problem is sharing the ball. By the time Melo and Durant get their touches you are looking at a repeat of OKC.
I actually think they would have less of a problem blending than you suggest. Melo and KD have been able to play with other top players and fall back a bit. I think the difference is that we will likely add more ball movers to the roster so that things would have the right balance. If you have KP, Melo and KD of course they'll take the majority of the shots tho.
The only time it's a problem is if you throw Westbrook in the mix.
crzymdups wrote:The idea that Kevin Durant would ever even consider the Knicks is laughable. Moving on.
Ever hear of the laws of attraction? If you keep thinking that way then nothing but negativity will ever come to the Knicks
I can't see KD landing in NY . . . no way.
However, if he is interested . . . I'd make it clear that I'd give OKC whatever they wanted, I'd give KD the max, and I'd hand over my first-born son.
:)
blkexec wrote:nixluva wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Actually in a small ball lineup it would be:C--KP
PF--Melo or Durant
SF--Durant or Melo
Then they could either trade Rolo for a guard or just keep him and he could still play 25/30 minutes off the bench. I know this isn't happening so don't get all crazy i'm just saying that if by some crazy chance we did somehow get him there is plenty of ways that everyone could still get plenty of floor time.
The problem isn't floor time, the problem is sharing the ball. By the time Melo and Durant get their touches you are looking at a repeat of OKC.
I actually think they would have less of a problem blending than you suggest. Melo and KD have been able to play with other top players and fall back a bit. I think the difference is that we will likely add more ball movers to the roster so that things would have the right balance. If you have KP, Melo and KD of course they'll take the majority of the shots tho.
The only time it's a problem is if you throw Westbrook in the mix.
Right, because a PG who's the first legit triple double machine since Oscar and is second in the league in added wins for PG behind some idiot named Curry should truly prove to be a problem.
I'd much rather wait patiently for Grant or Galloway to get to that level. 
If Phil ever managed to pull off a KD + Westbrook-level starphucque, he could retire on the spot and run for NYC Mayor Governor POTUS Zen Emperor of the Solar System.
