Knicks · Don't sleep on Justin Holiday... (page 1)

I expect him to surprise.

He's already an upgrade over Aflalo,

We need guys... this is a guy.

We needs the dudes!

Stevo718 wrote:Athletic, lean, good D, good 3 point percentage with regular playing time... played behind Klay Thompson on Golden State and Butler on the Bulls.

I expect him to surprise.

Finestrg wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:Athletic, lean, good D, good 3 point percentage with regular playing time... played behind Klay Thompson on Golden State and Butler on the Bulls.

I expect him to surprise.

Agreed. Good take on him...I've warmed up to him considerably. He now feels like more than a throw-in to me.

I'm very curious about Holiday. Seems promising and like the kind of player Hornacek would really like. I expect him to get minutes this year. I think he's more than a throw in. Kind of how we all thought Lance Thomas was just a throw in when he came over.

overall hes a 3 &D player who cant shoot cosistently from deep, cant create off the dribble and his defense comes and goes. at best i think hes a 9th or 10th man off the bench

callmened wrote:ehhh. a few yrs ago i was big on holiday. when he came off the bench for GSW and played well. then he went to the bulls and regressed. to his defense, most of those bulls regressed under hoibergs offense

overall hes a 3 &D player who cant shoot cosistently from deep, cant create off the dribble and his defense comes and goes. at best i think hes a 9th or 10th man off the bench

I don't think you can really judge him based on Chicago. Something was off in Chicago last year. Lots of inner turmoil.

I think he could be a Kent Bazemore type for us - finding our own Bazemore rather than overpaying for Atlanta's Bazemore in FA.

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:ehhh. a few yrs ago i was big on holiday. when he came off the bench for GSW and played well. then he went to the bulls and regressed. to his defense, most of those bulls regressed under hoibergs offense

overall hes a 3 &D player who cant shoot cosistently from deep, cant create off the dribble and his defense comes and goes. at best i think hes a 9th or 10th man off the bench

I don't think you can really judge him based on Chicago. Something was off in Chicago last year. Lots of inner turmoil.

I think he could be a Kent Bazemore type for us - finding our own Bazemore rather than overpaying for Atlanta's Bazemore in FA.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:ehhh. a few yrs ago i was big on holiday. when he came off the bench for GSW and played well. then he went to the bulls and regressed. to his defense, most of those bulls regressed under hoibergs offense

overall hes a 3 &D player who cant shoot cosistently from deep, cant create off the dribble and his defense comes and goes. at best i think hes a 9th or 10th man off the bench

I don't think you can really judge him based on Chicago. Something was off in Chicago last year. Lots of inner turmoil.

I think he could be a Kent Bazemore type for us - finding our own Bazemore rather than overpaying for Atlanta's Bazemore in FA.

either or... the good thing is we need what he can bring, so he will be in a position to get time if he plays well. I just view him as a good guy to have in the mix. Doesn't have to be special.. just play a role

Yeah, exactly. Frankly, Bazemore isn't all that special - just a good role player. You have to develop your own role players rather than overpay for other teams' role players.

We've done decent with that with Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway - hopefully we can retain them for fair contracts. And hopefully Holiday can be another solid role player.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:ehhh. a few yrs ago i was big on holiday. when he came off the bench for GSW and played well. then he went to the bulls and regressed. to his defense, most of those bulls regressed under hoibergs offense

overall hes a 3 &D player who cant shoot cosistently from deep, cant create off the dribble and his defense comes and goes. at best i think hes a 9th or 10th man off the bench

I don't think you can really judge him based on Chicago. Something was off in Chicago last year. Lots of inner turmoil.

I think he could be a Kent Bazemore type for us - finding our own Bazemore rather than overpaying for Atlanta's Bazemore in FA.

either or... the good thing is we need what he can bring, so he will be in a position to get time if he plays well. I just view him as a good guy to have in the mix. Doesn't have to be special.. just play a role

Yeah, exactly. Frankly, Bazemore isn't all that special - just a good role player. You have to develop your own role players rather than overpay for other teams' role players.

We've done decent with that with Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway - hopefully we can retain them for fair contracts. And hopefully Holiday can be another solid role player.

callmened wrote:exactly...he can be a role player....9th guy off the bench. but no im not expecting a breakout season like bazemore had for the lakers and dantoni (so many players owe their fortunes to dantoni and his offensive system). he'll either play 10 mins a game or maybe not even make the team. wouldnt surprise me. he was just an add in to make salaries match

But they didn't need to add him to make the salaries match. They were within 25% either way.

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:exactly...he can be a role player....9th guy off the bench. but no im not expecting a breakout season like bazemore had for the lakers and dantoni (so many players owe their fortunes to dantoni and his offensive system). he'll either play 10 mins a game or maybe not even make the team. wouldnt surprise me. he was just an add in to make salaries match

But they didn't need to add him to make the salaries match. They were within 25% either way.

Considering our lack of guards and the fact we gave up two in the deal, I'm sure NY demanded him to be included.

Knicksfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:exactly...he can be a role player....9th guy off the bench. but no im not expecting a breakout season like bazemore had for the lakers and dantoni (so many players owe their fortunes to dantoni and his offensive system). he'll either play 10 mins a game or maybe not even make the team. wouldnt surprise me. he was just an add in to make salaries match

But they didn't need to add him to make the salaries match. They were within 25% either way.

Considering our lack of guards and the fact we gave up two in the deal, I'm sure NY demanded him to be included.

Knicksfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:exactly...he can be a role player....9th guy off the bench. but no im not expecting a breakout season like bazemore had for the lakers and dantoni (so many players owe their fortunes to dantoni and his offensive system). he'll either play 10 mins a game or maybe not even make the team. wouldnt surprise me. he was just an add in to make salaries match

But they didn't need to add him to make the salaries match. They were within 25% either way.

Considering our lack of guards and the fact we gave up two in the deal, I'm sure NY demanded him to be included.

Exactly, i think they saw him as a guy who on the downside is a roster player on a cheap contract for 1 season, and on the upside, maybe he has some hidden potential and can become a decent rotation player if better utilized. Phil is going to spend most of the cap space on a starting SG and Center, and resigning our free agents most likely. Holiday is a cheap player who will fill out the roster at least.