Knicks · Who wants to bet KP and two number 1s get traded (page 3)

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

I don't think it's as far fetched as others are saying that the team trades KP in a starphuck. The way you worded the thread by listing something so specific and with such certainty is why people aren't taking it seriously. I would have gone along if you just said something like: "The organization is still starphucking. They might even trade KP."

I dont trust these people--thats the headline. People have short short memories. Danilo was a good young player we thought wed build the franchise around as well. And he went WITH Chandler Mosgov and two picks--the model and history is all there. Durant is WAY better than Carmelo as well.

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

I don't think it's as far fetched as others are saying that the team trades KP in a starphuck. The way you worded the thread by listing something so specific and with such certainty is why people aren't taking it seriously. I would have gone along if you just said something like: "The organization is still starphucking. They might even trade KP."

I dont trust these people--thats the headline. People have short short memories. Danilo was a good young player we thought wed build the franchise around as well. And he went WITH Chandler Mosgov and two picks--the model and history is all there. Durant is WAY better than Carmelo as well.

BRIGGS wrote:I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do.

Then you can't read. Several fans in this thread have took you at your word and accepted your invitation.

Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again.

Okay.

Done.

I still accept your wager at whatever terms you want to name. And I'm still offering 50 to 1 odds.

knicks1248 wrote:KP is going to be better than durant, even durant acknowledges that for the most part.

"But to add a talent like Durant you have to give up value. We just felt with Carmelo and Nozh that we were just one piece away from making the play offs and then once you're in, its a new season and with the vets we have, no reason we can't make it to the NBA Finals!"

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

If they trade KP, I think I'll be done being a fan. I'll start watching Brooklyn and rooting there. I'll still come here for the banter and personality, but I'll have a hard time investing emotional energy into this franchise.

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Stick to draft analysis, BRIGGS. Fortune telling and odds making are not your thing.

I'll happily take your bet. Not gwine happen.

Moonangie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Stick to draft analysis, BRIGGS. Fortune telling and odds making are not your thing.

Well, that's problematic.

Fortune telling and odds making is exactly what draft analysis is.

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

People are willing to take the bet, so if you're that sure, lets do the paperwork.

I was a big fan of Gallinari, and believe he would have been an All-Star quality player without his injury issues, but Porzingis is the superior player by far, and he's only scratched his potential at this point in his career.

Got to show folks the money, Briggs.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

So it sounds like you're hedging here, Briggs.

People are willing to take the bet, so if you're that sure, lets do the paperwork.

I was a big fan of Gallinari, and believe he would have been an All-Star quality player without his injury issues, but Porzingis is the superior player by far, and he's only scratched his potential at this point in his career.

Got to show folks the money, Briggs.

With James Dolan--there has been one business model used time over--trade youth for name. Lets let KP develop into a great player first. I love him but he does have a physique that can potentially run into real problems and he does not have the same athletic fluidity or body control of a Durant. If he struggles in year 2 and we are under performing--the same thing happened to DG.

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

So it sounds like you're hedging here, Briggs.

People are willing to take the bet, so if you're that sure, lets do the paperwork.

I was a big fan of Gallinari, and believe he would have been an All-Star quality player without his injury issues, but Porzingis is the superior player by far, and he's only scratched his potential at this point in his career.

Got to show folks the money, Briggs.

With James Dolan--there has been one business model used time over--trade youth for name. Lets let KP develop into a great player first. I love him but he does have a physique that can potentially run into real problems and he does not have the same athletic fluidity or body control of a Durant. If he struggles in year 2 and we are under performing--the same thing happened to DG.

So 50-1 odds. Why aren't you accepting the bet you solicited?

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

So it sounds like you're hedging here, Briggs.

People are willing to take the bet, so if you're that sure, lets do the paperwork.

I was a big fan of Gallinari, and believe he would have been an All-Star quality player without his injury issues, but Porzingis is the superior player by far, and he's only scratched his potential at this point in his career.

Got to show folks the money, Briggs.

With James Dolan--there has been one business model used time over--trade youth for name. Lets let KP develop into a great player first. I love him but he does have a physique that can potentially run into real problems and he does not have the same athletic fluidity or body control of a Durant. If he struggles in year 2 and we are under performing--the same thing happened to DG.

Rose & KP for Westbrook. I'm betting that happens.

smackeddog wrote:Time to pay up briggs!

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Next season for Durant

Briggs - when you first posted this, I didn't even read it because I thought it was crazy.

But after apparently agreeing to sign Noah at his age and injury history to 4 years, $72m, then this is a completely reasonable fear.

If we see any sophomore growing pains from KP, I absolutely believe our brain trust farts will consider moving him for a star player on an ending deal because that team is afraid to lose him for nothing- think OKC and Westbrook.

Maybe the package becomes KP & Rose.

And then this franchise is looking at another 15 years of suckitude.

I have very low expectations for this squad. We got 2 older players that have been hurt and have a history of bad advance stats. If we had the Phoenix medical staff, maybe there would be reason to hope.

If I am wrong, great. But I see my fandom being killed every day by this franchise.

I can't see 1 fan who has watched this mess for 15 years running wouldn't be wary of anything the owner might do. If we are 20-27 kp is not fitting in as well as thought possibly shooting sub40 and Durant is on a 1 year deal with okc and he becomes available to the high bidder we will see exactly how much the impossible truly is impossible. Now it would take the right storm the right scenario but anyone doesn't think this is an avenue think again. If I can recall fans were pretty high on danillo gallinari too

So it sounds like you're hedging here, Briggs.

People are willing to take the bet, so if you're that sure, lets do the paperwork.

I was a big fan of Gallinari, and believe he would have been an All-Star quality player without his injury issues, but Porzingis is the superior player by far, and he's only scratched his potential at this point in his career.

Got to show folks the money, Briggs.

With James Dolan--there has been one business model used time over--trade youth for name. Lets let KP develop into a great player first. I love him but he does have a physique that can potentially run into real problems and he does not have the same athletic fluidity or body control of a Durant. If he struggles in year 2 and we are under performing--the same thing happened to DG.

Rose & KP for Westbrook. I'm betting that happens.

How much are you betting? Whatever the figure, consider the bet made. Just let me know.

WOODMANnYk wrote:That was the old knicks mgmt ideas.... This knicks mgmt team led by Phil has a different philosophy in building a championship team and trading Kp and your future 1st rounders is not an option.. Going forward, Phil will be keeping his draft picks ...

How can you be so sure? We've gone all in. I absolutely could see us trading KP & Rose for Westbrook if KP has a slow start and we're otherwise healthy and looking like a 500 team.

I hope not, and I'd like to think Phil absolutely values keeping our picks, regardless of the potential opportunity.

But Phil has rolled the dice, and he is saying the window is now.

franco12 wrote:

WOODMANnYk wrote:That was the old knicks mgmt ideas.... This knicks mgmt team led by Phil has a different philosophy in building a championship team and trading Kp and your future 1st rounders is not an option.. Going forward, Phil will be keeping his draft picks ...

How can you be so sure? We've gone all in. I absolutely could see us trading KP & Rose for Westbrook if KP has a slow start and we're otherwise healthy and looking like a 500 team.

I hope not, and I'd like to think Phil absolutely values keeping our picks, regardless of the potential opportunity.

But Phil has rolled the dice, and he is saying the window is now.

If he's reached an unacceptable plateau in 3/4 years, and there is a ridiculous offer on the table, maybe he's moved...but I doubt it.

Phil would be crazy to let a 20 year old phenom, who has become a fan favorite beyond the Knicks fan base, get away, and if you are Westbrook you know this, and if you want to come to NYC you wait.

It would be the Anthony trade all over gain...even if you liked the exchange, signing him in FA would have given the Knicks much more flexibility and more assets. Why would Westbrook go to a team with no KP? All he'd have to do is tell OKC and the Knicks that he was not going to sign with the Knicks in such a trade. Think Durant goes to GS if they had to give up Curry to get him?

Makes no sense for Westbrook or the Knicks...a lot of sense for OKC if they know they are losing Westbrook the next year.

Not going to happen...I'll put up money on this not happening, too.