Mosgov 64 mill, this guy didn't even play 20 min a night. WTF... Are we going to be able to afford anyone?
We'll get a few guys this yr then be in better position in 2017 after the lockout when the fix this insanity and all the cap loopholes.
Lakers are just idiots. Even by the old cap he's still getting 10 per which is high for a 29 yr old slowing down with injuries. These contracts are pretty crazy though.
tj23 wrote:Lakers are just idiots. Even by the old cap he's still getting 10 per which is high for a 29 yr old slowing down with injuries. These contracts are pretty crazy though.
I Would love to know who this guy's agent is...I thought Walton was a up tempo type coach..
this is supply and demand - it's the inverse of digital advertising and rates: finite ad budget, unlimited inventory.
Here, we have limited players/talent roster spots and everyone has a ton of money.
Makes Robin Lopez's contract look much better and crazy that we got so little for it.
We could have made a killer deal trading it now, after FA than when we did.
You just don't understand the cap floor. Every team had to spend that money due to the 30% cask increase so all the max contacts are actually good deals. At least that's what the tip of a safety pin told me
EnySpree wrote:You just don't understand the cap floor. Every team had to spend that money due to the 30% cask increase so all the max contacts are actually good deals. At least that's what the tip of a safety pin told me
just cause there is a floor doesn't mean you toss crazy money at hurt/unproven players. And if you don't hit the floor, like Philly had for the last season or two, you just take the difference from where you are and the floor and you divide that among the players on your squad. No contract to fuss with. And you still have room to take on a contract and draft pick from a team that needs to make room.
You forgot to add... Zero sense!
Welpee wrote:blkexec wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.n...Highest paid contract in NBA HISTORY?
MIKE CONLEY JR
Zero times all-nba
Zero times all-star
Once all-defense
Once in the top 10 in assists
Never been the best player on his own team. Might be #3 behind Gasol and Randolph
Feels like stock mkt before the crash. Everything is priced to perfection and then some
Chandler wrote:Welpee wrote:blkexec wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.n...Highest paid contract in NBA HISTORY?
MIKE CONLEY JR
Zero times all-nba
Zero times all-star
Once all-defense
Once in the top 10 in assists
Never been the best player on his own team. Might be #3 behind Gasol and Randolph
Feels like stock mkt before the crash. Everything is priced to perfection and then some
People always accused the Knicks of bidding against themselves. Was there really another team out there willing to give Conley $30m per year?
Welpee wrote:Chandler wrote:Welpee wrote:blkexec wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.n...Highest paid contract in NBA HISTORY?
MIKE CONLEY JR
Zero times all-nba
Zero times all-star
Once all-defense
Once in the top 10 in assists
Never been the best player on his own team. Might be #3 behind Gasol and Randolph
Feels like stock mkt before the crash. Everything is priced to perfection and then some
People always accused the Knicks of bidding against themselves. Was there really another team out there willing to give Conley $30m per year?
The Mavs would have paid him.
CrushAlot wrote:Welpee wrote:Chandler wrote:Welpee wrote:blkexec wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.n...Highest paid contract in NBA HISTORY?
MIKE CONLEY JR
Zero times all-nba
Zero times all-star
Once all-defense
Once in the top 10 in assists
Never been the best player on his own team. Might be #3 behind Gasol and Randolph
Feels like stock mkt before the crash. Everything is priced to perfection and then some
People always accused the Knicks of bidding against themselves. Was there really another team out there willing to give Conley $30m per year?
The Mavs would have paid him.
You think they would've gone that high for Conley? I don't know but today proves anything is possible.
The owners collectively are throwing around the GNP of a medium sized country. Maybe one fortuitious owner will sign Greece and Detroit to get them out of their financial difficulties.
Seriously though the size of these deals is really hard to wrap my head around. That Conley deal is freaking insane.
joec32033 wrote:The owners collectively are throwing around the GNP of a medium sized country. Maybe one fortuitious owner will sign Greece and Detroit to get them out of their financial difficulties.
No, they aren't.
The teams throwing the money around have cap room, which means they're basically spending the money the CBA requires them to spend.
The players were REQUIRED to get a HUGE windfall of the new TV revenue. Owners HAVE to pay it to them one way or another.
People just weren't prepared for how much the players were going to get and are reacting how it's being divided up.
In other words, the size of the pie was predetermined by the CBA. All we're seeing right now is how the pie is being divided up.
Knickoftime wrote:joec32033 wrote:The owners collectively are throwing around the GNP of a medium sized country. Maybe one fortuitious owner will sign Greece and Detroit to get them out of their financial difficulties.
No, they aren't.
The teams throwing the money around have cap room, which means they're basically spending the money the CBA requires them to spend.
The players were REQUIRED to get a HUGE windfall of the new TV revenue. Owners HAVE to pay it to them one way or another.
People just weren't prepared for how much the players were going to get and are reacting how it's being divided up.
In other words, the size of the pie was predetermined by the CBA. All we're seeing right now is how the piece is being divided up.
You are like a pimple in the nose or a blackhead in the ear
franco12 wrote:EnySpree wrote:You just don't understand the cap floor. Every team had to spend that money due to the 30% cask increase so all the max contacts are actually good deals. At least that's what the tip of a safety pin told me
just cause there is a floor doesn't mean you toss crazy money at hurt/unproven players. And if you don't hit the floor, like Philly had for the last season or two, you just take the difference from where you are and the floor and you divide that among the players on your squad. No contract to fuss with. And you still have room to take on a contract and draft pick from a team that needs to make room.
Problem with you example is Philly was trying to be bad on purpose. They had incentive NOT to spend.
Now they're not even doing that anymore.
All teams WANT to get better. And the cap is only going up more.
Okay, so a team sits out the year and just pays even crappier players MORE money but preserve their cap space. To what end?
REALLY good free agents who can move the needle are never going to exist.
If their purpose is to take on a contract from another team, then the team that shed the contract is going to go spend it on hurt/unproven players. Action-reaction.
There is NO scenario in which ALL 30 teams sit out the market and only sign conservative contracts and try not to take talent from one another so they have more of it on their team.
That's what a competitive market is.
EnySpree wrote:Knickoftime wrote:joec32033 wrote:The owners collectively are throwing around the GNP of a medium sized country. Maybe one fortuitious owner will sign Greece and Detroit to get them out of their financial difficulties.
No, they aren't.
The teams throwing the money around have cap room, which means they're basically spending the money the CBA requires them to spend.
The players were REQUIRED to get a HUGE windfall of the new TV revenue. Owners HAVE to pay it to them one way or another.
People just weren't prepared for how much the players were going to get and are reacting how it's being divided up.
In other words, the size of the pie was predetermined by the CBA. All we're seeing right now is how the piece is being divided up.
You are like a pimple in the nose or a blackhead in the ear
You are willfully ignorant.
The pimple is better.
Knickoftime wrote:joec32033 wrote:The owners collectively are throwing around the GNP of a medium sized country. Maybe one fortuitious owner will sign Greece and Detroit to get them out of their financial difficulties.
No, they aren't.
The teams throwing the money around have cap room, which means they're basically spending the money the CBA requires them to spend.
The players were REQUIRED to get a HUGE windfall of the new TV revenue. Owners HAVE to pay it to them one way or another.
People just weren't prepared for how much the players were going to get and are reacting how it's being divided up.
In other words, the size of the pie was predetermined by the CBA. All we're seeing right now is how the pie is being divided up.
I get your whole schpiel. And you are right to a degree salaries were going to scale upawrds. BUT, you aren ignoring the fact there is still some type of fiscal responsibility that NEEDS to be excercised. A zero time all star, zero time MVP, zero time all NBA, Zero finals appearances, Zero time DPOY, not even the best player on his team (Gasol, up to this season Randolph-and that is based more on Randolph's decline than Conley's rise) guy just got the richest contract in NBA history! At 29! Im not saying he isnt a good player. He is. He was probably the best PG on the FA market this year. That is fiscal irresponsibility.
His value goes up because the scale of contracts went up. But that doesnt turn a 50 million dollar player in the old system to triple that. Mike Conley had his value go up by 200% because the scale went up by what 25%-30%?
The salary floor excuse is a convenient, cheap way to say " well, uh, we had to pay somebody and these were who was available to be paid". Im sure the guys that are gonna get the minimum this season arent going to appreciate that salary floor "reasoning".
