Knicks · Six Degrees of Separation in our Free Agent Signings... (page 1)
Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
It's awesome how quiet ESPN and Simmons and the like have been about Knicks off-season. It means it is really good and they can't say sh!t so they don't say anything.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
Yup...
Definitely a snowball effect in play here...and its nice that it is actually happening to us.
Relatively speaking we also got some good deals given the money being thrown around.
Considering we didn't have a draft pick and our SL team is so underwhelming these last few weeks have been a great time to be a Knicks fan.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Wonder if Melo had a hand in the Jennings signing. Both are former Oak Hill players.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
Welpee wrote:Good point. I think he let the Knicks know not to pursue KD and to get on with the offseason.SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Wonder if Melo had a hand in the Jennings signing. Both are former Oak Hill players.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
WaltLongmire wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
Yup...Definitely a snowball effect in play here...and its nice that it is actually happening to us.
Relatively speaking we also got some good deals given the money being thrown around.
Considering we didn't have a draft pick and our SL team is so underwhelming these last few weeks have been a great time to be a Knicks fan.
Like your ops Walter but do you really believe that we got good deals on a inefficient Rose at $21 for a year , an older Noah 4/$72 and a solid but average Lee 4/$48. I do think Noah and Jennings wanted NYC, I do think Noah recruitment of Lee helped and I do think that Noah knowing and liking Rose was a plus for him but monies and # of years were keys as they always are and giving four years to Noah and Lee were deciders as much as anything because the NBA is one big fraternity. I do think Knicks will make a run at Westbrook before resigning Rose and I dont think Noah or Lee would be materially impacted at their friend not returning. There are preferences for sure but $ talk and Knicks paid top dollar imo when you consider all factors
CrushAlot wrote:Welpee wrote:Good point. I think he let the Knicks know not to pursue KD and to get on with the offseason.SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Wonder if Melo had a hand in the Jennings signing. Both are former Oak Hill players.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
Yep....thats the problem with these yearly high profile free agents.....Because Durant took so long, OKC missed out on some decent free agents they would've signed. And yes, thanks to Melo, we must have had the insight into what KD was either doing or not doing.....Like not signing with NY, helps because we can move on and build at a normal rate, vs last time.....waiting on Lebron, we missed out on other FA's and did a panic move by signing Amari......Thats the one thing I hate about this free agent stuff.....
CrushAlot wrote:i doubt it. I think phil knew what he wantedWelpee wrote:Good point. I think he let the Knicks know not to pursue KD and to get on with the offseason.SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Wonder if Melo had a hand in the Jennings signing. Both are former Oak Hill players.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
meloanyk wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
Yup...Definitely a snowball effect in play here...and its nice that it is actually happening to us.
Relatively speaking we also got some good deals given the money being thrown around.
Considering we didn't have a draft pick and our SL team is so underwhelming these last few weeks have been a great time to be a Knicks fan.
Like your ops Walter but do you really believe that we got good deals on a inefficient Rose at $21 for a year , an older Noah 4/$72 and a solid but average Lee 4/$48. I do think Noah and Jennings wanted NYC, I do think Noah recruitment of Lee helped and I do think that Noah knowing and liking Rose was a plus for him but monies and # of years were keys as they always are and giving four years to Noah and Lee were deciders as much as anything because the NBA is one big fraternity. I do think Knicks will make a run at Westbrook before resigning Rose and I dont think Noah or Lee would be materially impacted at their friend not returning. There are preferences for sure but $ talk and Knicks paid top dollar imo when you consider all factors
We will see if Rose blooms with this squad. He might have a different perspective at this point in his career, who knows?
The injury issue is my big worry...just no getting around that with this group.
You know we all saw Anthony seem to change his game last year...scoring down...assists up, and he became more of a leader from what I could see- and I was as critical of him in the past as anyone on this forum, for the most part.
Lets see how things look once everyone is acclimated to each other...should be interesting to watch.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Maybe but Phil thanked Melo and said he was doing work for the Knicks. Phil doesn't compliment Melo, he compliments KP. We won't know but Melo spent a lot of time with Durant and the Knicks weren't waiting to get a meeting.CrushAlot wrote:i doubt it. I think phil knew what he wantedWelpee wrote:Good point. I think he let the Knicks know not to pursue KD and to get on with the offseason.SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Wonder if Melo had a hand in the Jennings signing. Both are former Oak Hill players.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
CrushAlot wrote:many players do the same thing. Im sure steph curry was talking to KD.StarksEwing1 wrote:Maybe but Phil thanked Melo and said he was doing work for the Knicks. Phil doesn't compliment Melo, he compliments KP. We won't know but Melo spent a lot of time with Durant and the Knicks weren't waiting to get a meeting.CrushAlot wrote:i doubt it. I think phil knew what he wantedWelpee wrote:Good point. I think he let the Knicks know not to pursue KD and to get on with the offseason.SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Wonder if Melo had a hand in the Jennings signing. Both are former Oak Hill players.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
StarksEwing1 wrote:Maybe but Steph isn't on the olympic team and wasn't seen all over town with Durant right before the meetings. Do you agree that it is possible that Durant might have told Melo I am not interested in playing for the Knicks this year during the time that they spent together?CrushAlot wrote:many players do the same thing. Im sure steph curry was talking to KD.StarksEwing1 wrote:Maybe but Phil thanked Melo and said he was doing work for the Knicks. Phil doesn't compliment Melo, he compliments KP. We won't know but Melo spent a lot of time with Durant and the Knicks weren't waiting to get a meeting.CrushAlot wrote:i doubt it. I think phil knew what he wantedWelpee wrote:Good point. I think he let the Knicks know not to pursue KD and to get on with the offseason.SocraticBallin22 wrote:The Rose trade made New York a desirable place to play once again.Wonder if Melo had a hand in the Jennings signing. Both are former Oak Hill players.Rose recruited Noah who had multiple offers from other teams and probably could have gotten more money if that's all he cared about. Rose + coming back home to NYC = Noah becoming a Knick.
Noah recruited C. Lee to be our starting 2 guard at 12 mill per. Once again, Lee could have gotten a bigger contract on another team (he had multiple suitors for his skills and was heavily sought after). We got him at a bargain value because Noah convinced him to come, coupled with having Rose be his backcourt mate.
Jennings signed a ridiculously cheap one year, 5 million dollar deal to backup Rose in NY. I guarantee he could have gotten more years and more money to play a bigger role on another them; however, he saw Rose, Lee, Noah with KP and Melo--and saw a real opportunity to be on a good team in the East and be a key backup off the bench and spell Rose with spot starts. He understood he could revitalize his career on a one year deal playing behind Rose on a quality team.
My point: None of these FA signings would have been possible, especially at the contracts and money we signed them for, had it not been for the Rose trade and the trickle-down effect it caused. Teams can go anywhere in today's free agency; they usually go where they can make the most money and get the most guaranteed years in an inflated market, unless they see a good team and get recruited by players they respect, which was the case here. Welcome to the new NBA Free Agency, and Uncle Phil shrewdly used it to his advantage...
“I do consider myself part of the Knicks,” Anthony told ESPN on Monday, “so that meeting has already taken place.”Come on Starks you know you compliment Melo when he does the right thing.
meloanyk wrote:K, thx. Im happy for Melo that he has some experienced talent around him and hope that the starting unit can stay healthy. If so, I'd expect some competitive bb over the next two seasons while faciltating KP's transition into a lead. Excited to see what Hornachek brings to this assembly because I like everything coming from him so far
Meant as reply to Walter
We'll look back on this time in 5 years and realize just how foolish it was to make a push to be a frivilous playoff team; just like for the 2002-2003 season before the LeBron James draft and the 2008-2009 season when we would've been able to select Steph Curry had we tanked. I just hope KP stays healthy and uninterested in jumping ship when all we'll be left with in a couple of years is him.
NardDogNation wrote:If any of those guys are injured, we'll be a lottery team in the 12-15 range. If they are healthy, we'll be a 5th or 6th seeded playoff team. Is that what we aspire to be on the cusps of a loaded draft that we actually have a draft pick in?We'll look back on this time in 5 years and realize just how foolish it was to make a push to be a frivilous playoff team; just like for the 2002-2003 season before the LeBron James draft and the 2008-2009 season when we would've been able to select Steph Curry had we tanked. I just hope KP stays healthy and uninterested in jumping ship when all we'll be left with in a couple of years is him.
1st of all, ANY team that loses it's best players to injury will suffer. That's not saying anything. The Knicks know that they need to take care with the players who have had injury issues. There should be enough depth to be able to keep minutes and games within reason.
The Knicks are taking a calculated risk that Rose and Noah will bounce back this season. It's not how anyone would prefer to build a team but it's how they had to do it in this case. This Knicks team should be competitive with any team in the league. They can matchup with many different types of rosters and styles.
This is not a team built to be a 5th or 6th seed. No matter what seed they end up with I suspect they will be a tough out in the playoffs.
The way Phil has constructed this team they will easily be able to retool if necessary. Phil also hasn't given up on trying to add and develop young players. He's just not trying to be the Sixers. You don't have to be 100% young and inexperienced in order to be doing the right thing.
Durant going to GS means that any players hunting for a championship now MUST be on a super team. In the east, depending on what happens, we have a decent chance to get a player next year who will put us over the hump. A lot of that will probably depend on how healthy we can stay this year as we have a 2 or 3 year window.
earthmansurfer wrote:I think something to strongly consider with what is left of our FA signings now and next years big FA period, is that the NBA game has once again changed.
Durant going to GS means that any players hunting for a championship now MUST be on a super team. In the east, depending on what happens, we have a decent chance to get a player next year who will put us over the hump. A lot of that will probably depend on how healthy we can stay this year as we have a 2 or 3 year window.
Other than Westbrook, not sure who that fa player realistically is. Of all the young players in prime, I doubt Hayward arrives and The Freak is restricted as is the next tier of youngsters Nerlens, Olapido, Schroder. Maybe a Lowry or Holliday if Rose has a average season and think Ibaka is still young and be unrestricted
earthmansurfer wrote:I think something to strongly consider with what is left of our FA signings now and next years big FA period, is that the NBA game has once again changed.Remember the first "super team" in Miami got smacked by a team with one superstar (Dirk) and a bunch of good role players.
Durant going to GS means that any players hunting for a championship now MUST be on a super team. In the east, depending on what happens, we have a decent chance to get a player next year who will put us over the hump. A lot of that will probably depend on how healthy we can stay this year as we have a 2 or 3 year window.