Knicks · This is why the Spurs are the best franchise in sports for 20 years (page 1)

They got Dejounte Murray at 29. I personally had him at 9 and I think he couldve been higher than that if he had been a better 3 point shooter. But the Spurs get a guy who is an athletic 6-6 who can make plays with the dribble. I was watching the draft--watching some of these guys fall--but he mightve taken the cake. How could 28 teams let this guy fall? The entire league is based on making plays with the dribble--there are so few of these types and somehow the Spurs get him.

I know we have a nice team, but to get to this point this year we have had to endure so much... mismanagement?
Then again, look at most of the rest of the NBA, they also look up to the Spurs.

I just hope we keep our picks and become something special. Who knows, we might have picked him with our pick this year! The Bargs affect - gift that keeps on giving.

smackeddog wrote:This is why the Spurs are the best franchise in sports for 20 years:

Nalod wrote:Spurs are the best, because they think more like Briggs.

Well.....im glad the knicks dont think like briggs.....but the nets do......

Crabbe was signed by the nets .......4yrs and 20 mill per

BRIGGS wrote:

They got Dejounte Murray at 29. I personally had him at 9 and I think he couldve been higher than that if he had been a better 3 point shooter. But the Spurs get a guy who is an athletic 6-6 who can make plays with the dribble. I was watching the draft--watching some of these guys fall--but he mightve taken the cake. How could 28 teams let this guy fall? The entire league is based on making plays with the dribble--there are so few of these types and somehow the Spurs get him.

Welpee wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

They got Dejounte Murray at 29. I personally had him at 9 and I think he couldve been higher than that if he had been a better 3 point shooter. But the Spurs get a guy who is an athletic 6-6 who can make plays with the dribble. I was watching the draft--watching some of these guys fall--but he mightve taken the cake. How could 28 teams let this guy fall? The entire league is based on making plays with the dribble--there are so few of these types and somehow the Spurs get him.

Funny how people will say the Spurs are a great organization for picking someone who fell to them at 29, but Phil Jackson was lucky being able to pick KP at #4?

Not only that...Phil had a number of good players he could have chosen at 4, and a lot of people around here would have been more than happy if he had taken them. His choice was much more difficult...in fact picking from 2-5 last year was not easy given how many decent players there were to choose from.

The choice is less difficult with a player who dropped into the late 20's...the choices have been narrowed.

Cartman718 wrote:You have to ask yourself...how good would popovich's career trajectory be without Duncan. Same thing applies to spoelstra and doc rivers

Q: What two things do Cady Lalanne, Jordan McRae, Deshaun Thomas, Marcus Denmon, Jack McClinton, James Gist, Romain Sato, Randy Holcomb, Bryan Bracey, Chris Carrawell, Cory Hightower, Leon Smith, Derrick Dial, Robertas Javtokas, Sergei Karaulov, Damir Markota, Giorgos Printezis, Ryan Richards and Adam Hanga have in common?

A:

1.) You've never heard of them.

2.) They were all drafted by the Spurs since Duncan.

The Spurs may just be the best drafters in the business, they've had a lot of success too, but even they aren't hitting .500.

Which is instructive as to the nature of scouting and drafting.

Knickoftime wrote:'Pop' Quiz:

Q: What two things do Cady Lalanne, Jordan McRae, Deshaun Thomas, Marcus Denmon, Jack McClinton, James Gist, Romain Sato, Randy Holcomb, Bryan Bracey, Chris Carrawell, Cory Hightower, Leon Smith, Derrick Dial, Robertas Javtokas, Sergei Karaulov, Damir Markota, Giorgos Printezis, Ryan Richards and Adam Hanga have in common?

A:

1.) You've never heard of them.

2.) They were all drafted by the Spurs since Duncan.

The Spurs may just be the best drafters in the business, they've had a lot of success too, but even they aren't hitting .500.

Which is instructive as to the nature of scouting and drafting.

WOW! Puts things in perspective.

Who's to say that in time people won't talk about the Knicks being a great organization if KP turns into a Franchise player. A lot of a team's success is dependent upon drafting a great talent like a Duncan. I do think the Spurs have been very good at finding talent, but as the above shows, NO ONE is perfect.

Now, lets give spurs their due because as good as the spurs were with Robinson, SOME TEAMS would want to have been in "Win Now" mode and trade that pick previously (before the Admiral got hurt" and that pick could have been on someone elses team.

Imagine if that happened? Its entirely possible the is a scenario that A GM got too greedy and wanted more than SAS's first round pick and a deal fell thru, this of course not knowing what that pick could become. So many scenario's that could have happened.

How the Spurs build around Duncan for all these years is to be admired. what Briggs pats himself on the back is he can make so many "I like that player" type comments but the reality is one team gets just one shot at a pick, and that's why its so easy to pat ones self on the back and be overly critical in hindsight. Fans are brilliant when not held accountable for the results nor account for the proper forensics of time and place a decision has to be made. Trades, picks, negotiations are all on the clock. Briggs has plenty of players over the years he liked that are never made it.

Briggs is right abotu the Spurs being the best managed team. Patience and understanding of player development creates opportunities. They make their own luck!

Briggs is sometimes self serving in his posts, but aren't we all a bit guilty as well?

BRIGGS wrote:

They got Dejounte Murray at 29. I personally had him at 9 and I think he couldve been higher than that if he had been a better 3 point shooter. But the Spurs get a guy who is an athletic 6-6 who can make plays with the dribble. I was watching the draft--watching some of these guys fall--but he mightve taken the cake. How could 28 teams let this guy fall? The entire league is based on making plays with the dribble--there are so few of these types and somehow the Spurs get him.

So they're the best franchise in sports because players fall to them in the draft??

smackeddog wrote:This is why the Spurs are the best franchise in sports for 20 years:

Hahahaha exactly

blkexec wrote:

Nalod wrote:Spurs are the best, because they think more like Briggs.

Well.....im glad the knicks dont think like briggs.....but the nets do......

Crabbe was signed by the nets .......4yrs and 20 mill per

He was signed to a offer sheet which Portland can match but don't think they will.

Hopefully he works with Leonard...same body type, and Leonard developed his shot over time...good role model for him.

I liked the way he played yesterday, but I find it hard to believe that a guy who basically scored on a bunch of drives against what seemed like a small Celtics SL squad-two smaller guards, and a front line measuring in at 6'8," 6'7," and 6'8," and had 1 assist to 4 turnovers deserves an immediate thread like this one.

Sorry...jumping the gun here, IMO.

CrushAlot wrote:Someone always drops in the draft and they always get him.

Drafting Manu Ginobili with 57th pick of 1999 draft (joined Spurs in 02) and Tony Parker with 28th pick of 2001 draft along with picking Duncan 1st in 1997 gave them the nucleus. So many other moves over the years just added or supported this trio including trading a good young player George Hill for a draft prospect named Kwahi Leonard. Sharp front office and coaching , organizational stabilty and players willing to play as a team and stay together at under market prices were keys to their long run. Somewhat of an anomaly

meloanyk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Someone always drops in the draft and they always get him.

Drafting Manu Ginobili with 57th pick of 1999 draft (joined Spurs in 02) and Tony Parker with 28th pick of 2001 draft along with picking Duncan 1st in 1997 gave them the nucleus. So many other moves over the years just added or supported this trio including trading a good young player George Hill for a draft prospect named Kwahi Leonard. Sharp front office and coaching , organizational stabilty and players willing to play as a team and stay together at under market prices were keys to their long run. Somewhat of an anomaly

The Spurs have done an excellent job with player development, but getting a group of guys to stay together under market value is an anomaly. However, I think the team is starting to decline because they can't find another Duncan-type player. They signed Aldridge to a very big contract and Gasol, the role players weren't nearly as good last year and Leonard isn't the generational player that Duncan was.