Knicks · Randle earned spot (page 1)

The entire Knicks team played better when Randle played. He hit shots and while he wasn't the best ball handler was still good enough. Baker who was overwhelmed with responsibilities that might not fit him was able to calm down the last 1.5 games. I like when people earn a spot through play and the play was diverse. He's not the tallest guy but I think he's a cheaper better Galloway

holy smoke you agree a young player the Knicks add? Seriously... couldn't have said it better myself. Team looked totally lost until he came in and completely stabilized things and guys around him immediately played better. Good call.

If reports are true Knicks want to add a vet big and vujevic, that just leaves one spot left.

I got a go with baker in the equation, which is no knock on randle.

Knickoftime wrote:If reports are true Knicks want to add a vet big and vujevic, that just leaves one spot left.

I got a go with baker in the equation, which is no knock on randle.

wood baker randle. Teams rarely play past 12 deep and we can rotate some of these guys at westchester and the won't complain

Wood was already signed by philly.

No, wait I mean San Antonio.

No, wait I mean Miami. Oh no, they were too busy giving Derrick Williams to $5m.

Well, someone must have signed him already anyway.

I actually thought Louis L looked like good sized energy off the bench guy. Grabbing boards and diving for loose balls.

PhilinLA wrote:I actually thought Louis L looked like good sized energy off the bench guy. Grabbing boards and diving for loose balls.

He had some moments...looked loose the final game.

I think if he had played better earlier, his claim for a spot would be better established. He looked much better than last year, though.

Not sure how many invites to camp we can have...I would at least bring him in to see how he stacks up. He needs to show more confidence on offense, IMO.

I liked Randle especially the confident stroke. He is used to making shots. My main worry for him is size, he seems slight and could get knocked around physically at the next level.

Baker finally looked good in the later games. Laberiye looked decent but is still too raw, perhaps not enough talent eventually. I liked Plumlee's motor and overall bb iq.

We have to find a place for Randle. He's only about 160lbs soaking wet but really talented. Plays smart and within himself and makes his team better. If we were going to sign a veteran big anyway then we could have done without Plumlee I think, who is a bundle of energy but lacks important skills.

totally agree, his skill sets and overall game is just so complete with a decent potential to compete for a LEGIT role
IMO, he certainly deserves it more than Plumlee or Baker

Brandon Jennings didn't weigh too much either
It doesn't does not mean he is weak not saying he does not have to slowly get stronger but speed/quickness/BB IQ/scoring/facilitating/leadership/DEF he has the potential to at least be a solid backup

Rather have Baker. He's bigger and a better defender.

Problably a victim of numbers. We already have a established player in Jennings to backup pg. Every summer there are smaller guards that stand out like Cotton and Boatwright last year but they have a hard time sticking . Think team has a greater need for a 4 off bench who ideally has a bit of a post game. We have bodies but a few are likely not ready

This title is misleading....

BTW...... what did Plumlee do to deserve a 3 yr contract?

I haven't watched a full game all preseason....the stats doesn't match Randles stats or impact on the game!

Someone explain....

blkexec wrote:This title is misleading....

BTW...... what did Plumlee do to deserve a 3 yr contract?

I haven't watched a full game all preseason....the stats doesn't match Randles stats or impact on the game!

Someone explain....

Maybe his signing is an incentive for Miles Plumlee to sign for the minimum.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

blkexec wrote:This title is misleading....

BTW...... what did Plumlee do to deserve a 3 yr contract?

I haven't watched a full game all preseason....the stats doesn't match Randles stats or impact on the game!

Someone explain....

Shorthand and more assertive version of "(In my opinion), Randle (has) earned (a) spot"... but yeah, it can be considered a little misleading.

Anyone know why Randle didn't play in the 1st 2 summer league games?

For people questioning his size
At Stanford - 6'2" 185lbs
last year playing in Czech 6'2" 180lbs

He is very quick and I think physically able to play in the NBA.

blkexec wrote:This title is misleading....

BTW...... what did Plumlee do to deserve a 3 yr contract?

I haven't watched a full game all preseason....the stats doesn't match Randles stats or impact on the game!

Someone explain....

Sure.

Knicks made their trade, signed Lee, Noah, Jennings, Hernangomez, kept Thomas's cap hold and renounced everyone else, they had about $550-600k in cap space left, or essentially a rookie minimum deal. The second they signed Thomas to $6.1m, that space would have disappeared. They either spent it before or it got swallowed by Thomas's deal. Likewise, it would have went away when they signed Kuzminskas to the room exception as well. Both deal would have taken them over the cap.

And about $600k of cap space isn't enough to do ANYTHING else but sign a non-first round rookie. But the Knicks decided to do something with it anyway.

So they apparently picked a project - the longest term project, the guy they probably are going to ask to go to Westchester all year unless an emergency arises - maybe even for a couple of years. So they guaranteed him the money, in exchange they got the 2 team option years.

It was basically an accounting move. Spend it (on something) or lose it.

Most relevant, it really doesn't mean much other than spent cash. A minimum deal is cap neutral - even a guaranteed one. There was nothing else they could have been done with that cash other than distribute it to Lee, Noah, Jennings and/or Hernangomez.

The Knicks have 12 roster spots filled now, Plumlee being 12, but the Knicks have the same options left. The remaining roster spots will be filled in one of only two ways - rookie or veteran minimum deals.

If Randle or any other player blows them away in camp, Knicks can easily release Plumlee opening up another roster spot, pay him his guaranteed deal and he probably goes to Westchester anyway, just as a free agent.

And again, the important thing to remember is the transaction had to happen BEFORE they signed Thomas and/or Kuzminskas or the space went away. They couldn't have even waited until the end of summer league to use it, unless they wanted to ask Thomas and Kuzminskas to wait it out.

It has zero roster implications (other than the fact they may see something the like in Plumlee). It was strictly cash spent and the NY knicks won't let half-a-million get in the way of a roster move they want to make.

Knickoftime wrote:

blkexec wrote:This title is misleading....

BTW...... what did Plumlee do to deserve a 3 yr contract?

I haven't watched a full game all preseason....the stats doesn't match Randles stats or impact on the game!

Someone explain....

Sure.

Knicks made their trade, signed Lee, Noah, Jennings, Hernangomez, kept Thomas's cap hold and renounced everyone else, they had about $550-600k in cap space left, or essentially a rookie minimum deal. The second they signed Thomas to $6.1m, that space would have disappeared. They either spent it before or it got swallowed by Thomas's deal. Likewise, it would have went away when they signed Kuzminskas to the room exception as well. Both deal would have taken them over the cap.

And about $600k of cap space isn't enough to do ANYTHING else but sign a non-first round rookie. But the Knicks decided to do something with it anyway.

So they apparently picked a project - the longest term project, the guy they probably are going to ask to go to Westchester all year unless an emergency arises - maybe even for a couple of years. So they guaranteed him the money, in exchange they got the 2 team option years.

It was basically an accounting move. Spend it (on something) or lose it.

Most relevant, it really doesn't mean much other than spent cash. A minimum deal is cap neutral - even a guaranteed one. There was nothing else they could have been done with that cash other than distribute it to Lee, Noah, Jennings and/or Hernangomez.

The Knicks have 12 roster spots filled now, Plumlee being 12, but the Knicks have the same options left. The remaining roster spots will be filled in one of only two ways - rookie or veteran minimum deals.

If Randle or any other player blows them away in camp, Knicks can easily release Plumlee opening up another roster spot, pay him his guaranteed deal and he probably goes to Westchester anyway, just as a free agent.

And again, the important thing to remember is the transaction had to happen BEFORE they signed Thomas and/or Kuzminskas or the space went away. They couldn't have even waited until the end of summer league to use it, unless they wanted to ask Thomas and Kuzminskas to wait it out.

It has zero roster implications (other than the fact they may see something the like in Plumlee). It was strictly cash spent and the NY knicks won't let half-a-million get in the way of a roster move they want to make.

Thanks.....

Markji wrote:Anyone know why Randle didn't play in the 1st 2 summer league games?

For people questioning his size
At Stanford - 6'2" 185lbs
last year playing in Czech 6'2" 180lbs

He is very quick and I think physically able to play in the NBA.

Thought he had some kind of hip injury, not exactly sure...obviously not a big thing.

Seems very solid physically and he has a good vertical (33.5/39.5) at the Draft Combine.

Draft Combine also had him at 6'1.5" with shoes on.

Has to have earned a camp invite, IMO. Gives him a fighting chance to make the team.