Knicks · Why do we still only have 2 PG??? (page 2)
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, etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
My God man stop crying... I'm sure someone will get signed. Every move Phil has made this off season came out of nowhere. Don't act like you know what's going on... and don't act like Phil has been sitting in his stinky Depends all summer.... he's been making moves... and it's July 13 for the love of Red Holtz man! Lol
Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Your Sasha hate is outsized! And honestly spoken like someone who didn't watch the team much. Sure he missed shots to start the year, but he played because the offense ran much better with him on the floor. He passed, he defended, he started making shots and became a valuable piece. Sasha represents continuity. That's a good thing as he's the only returning guard at all from last season. He can act as a coach on the floor and an example for the other guards to follow in terms of running the Triangle and playing in the team concept. Good value for the minimum and way more valuable in terms of winning games than taking a flier on a guy you feel has talent but has yet to prove it.
The Knicks are also currently developing Baker and Randle for similar roles to what you're suggesting for Dinwiddie.
Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?
His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think the Bulls like him (they traded for him) but that was before Wade. I guess after they acquired Wade they decided to cut him for one reason or another. Looks like Phil's the one who's not high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should the need arise.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? 
Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat shit crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.
Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.
crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.
Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.
Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.
Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.
I would be surprised if they signed Gooden, given the roster makeup, but in other threads you have guys fretting about the youth of the bench.
The bench is loaded with young guys and rookies. Just because they didn't sign the specific young, unproven free agent you wanted doesn't mean they didn't sign young, unproven free agents - Mindaugas Kuzminskas, Willy Hernangomez, Plumlee, Mo N'Dour, Ron Baker, Chasson Randle - that's six guys who have never played in the NBA before, with various good experience elsewhere. Coming off a summer with no draft picks, that's pretty decent. 6/15 is 40%
Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.
Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.
You STILL think they're "looking" at Gooden after signing N'Dour?
crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.
Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.
I would be surprised if they signed Gooden, given the roster makeup, but in other threads you have guys fretting about the youth of the bench.
The bench is loaded with young guys and rookies. Just because they didn't sign the specific young, unproven free agent you wanted doesn't mean they didn't sign young, unproven free agents - Mindaugas Kuzminskas, Willy Hernangomez, Plumlee, Mo N'Dour, Ron Baker, Chasson Randle - that's six guys who have never played in the NBA before, with various good experience elsewhere. Coming off a summer with no draft picks, that's pretty decent. 6/15 is 40%
All good moves. Hence the solid B/B+ I gave Phil on the 'grade our offseason thread.' And I like the Mo N'dour signing too (what's he been up to since last preseason? Has he been playing well? Is he healthy? I thought he got hurt right after Cuban signed him, no? I don't remember)..I just feel if we don't go the whole nine and finish this roster out strong, it takes a little away from all the good work that was done before. I can't see carrying any trash on a 15-man roster. I want quality 1-15.
Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think the Bulls like him (they traded for him) but that was before Wade. I guess after they acquired Wade they decided to cut him for one reason or another. Looks like Phil's the one who's not high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should the need arise.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I cosign about Dinwiddie. He is a better player right now than Jerian and we should sign him. He was victim of a cap numbers crunch in Chicago after signing Wade and that's why they waived him. They still like him; he's on their SL squad, but they have too many pg's. We should scoop Spencer up. Watched him a little bit in SL games. He's playing better than Jerian. He has good size for a pg, which is what Phil likes and plays with poise and confidence running the show. He is also sneaky athletic. He would be a great 3rd stringer to develop and would somewhat absorb the loss of Grant.
And, hells NO, Sasha can't run the point in the NBA--even in spot minutes--that's ridiculous!
Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think the Bulls like him (they traded for him) but that was before Wade. I guess after they acquired Wade they decided to cut him for one reason or another. Looks like Phil's the one who's not high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should the need arise.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
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Bulls clearly liked Isaiah over Spencer, too.
And they drafted Valentine, and older PG who will turn 23 in November.
Just saying.
Value is in eyes of the beholder, as always.
Knickoftime wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.
Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.
You STILL think they're "looking" at Gooden after signing N'Dour?
I have a feeling that you know the answer to your question.
WaltLongmire wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a breakI can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.
Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.
Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.
My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..
That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.
EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two.
I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.
Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.
You STILL think they're "looking" at Gooden after signing N'Dour?
I have a feeling that you know the answer to your question.
But hearing the justification is what makes it fun.