Knicks · “How Carmelo, Amar’e pushed Jeremy Lin out” Mike D’Antoni said in Woj podcast (page 2)
Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.
As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. His comments should be evaluated based on their merit. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.
Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.
Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.
Can you provide a link to the Melo recruiting Lin story? Never heard of that.
crzymdups wrote:The title of this thread should be - "We aren't going to have much to talk about til Training Camp, huh?"
Especially since FatMelo has been sighted working out with new teammates.
Next thread: "Gallinari talks about the impact 'The Trade' had on his health and hairstyle choices"
crzymdups wrote:The title of this thread should be - "We aren't going to have much to talk about til Training Camp, huh?"
Especially since FatMelo has been sighted working out with new teammates.
Next thread: "Gallinari talks about the impact 'The Trade' had on his health and hairstyle choices"
crzymdups wrote:The title of this thread should be - "We aren't going to have much to talk about til Training Camp, huh?"
Especially since FatMelo has been sighted working out with new teammates.
Next thread: "Gallinari talks about the impact 'The Trade' had on his health and hairstyle choices"
dk7th wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.
Can you provide a link to the Melo recruiting Lin story? Never heard of that.
Sorry, they met in LA. It was Lin who secretly flew to Vegas to renegotiate his offer with the Rockets. Combined two stories. Woodson/Melo/Chandler met with Lin in LA. At the time Lin still hadn't signed a new deal. If Melo really didnt want him back, that would have been a great opportunity to show it by not showing up.
From the Post:
The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament.[/quote
GustavBahler wrote:I had only read the post article but I just listened to the podcast. Wow. I didn't think I could come away with having less respect for how he handled things in NY but I did.Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I had only read the post article but I just listened to the podcast. Wow. I didn't think I could come away with having less respect for how he handled things in NY but I did.Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Yeah, I do agree with your point on this. You shouldn't talk negatively about previous or current co-workers, and this does make MDA look bad. Regardless, if Melo is inflexible, it's a concern of ours.
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I had only read the post article but I just listened to the podcast. Wow. I didn't think I could come away with having less respect for how he handled things in NY but I did.Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Its amazing. D'Antoni goes on at length about how some of his players sabotaged the team's success. But when it comes the time for a little introspection on what he did to contribute to the losing, he says that he doesnt spend much time thinking about it, second guessing himself. Good riddance.
GustavBahler wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I had only read the post article but I just listened to the podcast. Wow. I didn't think I could come away with having less respect for how he handled things in NY but I did.Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Its amazing. D'Antoni goes on at length about how some of his players sabotaged the team's success. But when it comes the time for a little introspection on what he did to contribute to the losing, he says that he doesnt spend much time thinking about it, second guessing himself. Good riddance.
+1000 Amen.
GustavBahler wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I had only read the post article but I just listened to the podcast. Wow. I didn't think I could come away with having less respect for how he handled things in NY but I did.Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Its amazing. D'Antoni goes on at length about how some of his players sabotaged the team's success. But when it comes the time for a little introspection on what he did to contribute to the losing, he says that he doesnt spend much time thinking about it, second guessing himself. Good riddance.
Did he say that? Wow. Yeah, just to be clear: I don't come out of this with a good view of MDA by any means.
dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?
GustavBahler wrote:dk7th wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.
Can you provide a link to the Melo recruiting Lin story? Never heard of that.
Sorry, they met in LA. It was Lin who secretly flew to Vegas to renegotiate his offer with the Rockets. Combined two stories. Woodson/Melo/Chandler met with Lin in LA. At the time Lin still hadn't signed a new deal. If Melo really didnt want him back, that would have been a great opportunity to show it by not showing up.
From the Post:
The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament.[/quoteSorry .. The he-said she-said lies bout the Knicks 2010-11 MVP player was a dream gone DEAD need to be buried along with the rest of all owner Dolan's BLAME-Games .. We actually had the chance to let the NBA Fans build Jeremy LinSanity into a worldwide NBA Knicks Star .... Recall Lin didnt take Houston first offer because he had to be waiting on the Knicks to give him a call or offer the day after the Knicks sign Jason Kidd (The best tutor/coach in the business for Jeremy Lin type of style).
For some unknown reason the Knicks organization never called Lin.Recall when we had to wait for the result to find out if the Knicks held Lin's rights.
Our GM at the time did announced the Knicks organization were gonna let (A huge FAN-Base) Jeremy Lin test the FA waters ...WHAT??????
Kemet wrote:GustavBahler wrote:dk7th wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.
Can you provide a link to the Melo recruiting Lin story? Never heard of that.
Sorry, they met in LA. It was Lin who secretly flew to Vegas to renegotiate his offer with the Rockets. Combined two stories. Woodson/Melo/Chandler met with Lin in LA. At the time Lin still hadn't signed a new deal. If Melo really didnt want him back, that would have been a great opportunity to show it by not showing up.
From the Post:
The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament.[/quoteSorry .. The he-said she-said lies bout the Knicks 2010-11 MVP player was a dream gone DEAD need to be buried along with the rest of all owner Dolan's BLAME-Games .. We actually had the chance to let the NBA Fans build Jeremy LinSanity into a worldwide NBA Knicks Star .... Recall Lin didnt take Houston first offer because he had to be waiting on the Knicks to give him a call or offer the day after the Knicks sign Jason Kidd (The best tutor/coach in the business for Jeremy Lin type of style).
For some unknown reason the Knicks organization never called Lin.Recall when we had to wait for the result to find out if the Knicks held Lin's rights.
Our GM at the time did announced the Knicks organization were gonna let (A huge FAN-Base) Jeremy Lin test the FA waters ...WHAT??????
Like conversing with a 14 year old fan boy. Right, the Knicks blew their chance to turn Lin into the star he never became, not even fing close. Did you listen to the interview? Getting so defensive about a coach who hasnt shown anything in 8 years and a player who has shown almost nothing in the 4 years since those handful of games. Lin has changed teams 4 times since then, get over it.
GustavBahler wrote:Kemet wrote:GustavBahler wrote:dk7th wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.
Can you provide a link to the Melo recruiting Lin story? Never heard of that.
Sorry, they met in LA. It was Lin who secretly flew to Vegas to renegotiate his offer with the Rockets. Combined two stories. Woodson/Melo/Chandler met with Lin in LA. At the time Lin still hadn't signed a new deal. If Melo really didnt want him back, that would have been a great opportunity to show it by not showing up.
From the Post:
The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament.[/quoteSorry .. The he-said she-said lies bout the Knicks 2010-11 MVP player was a dream gone DEAD need to be buried along with the rest of all owner Dolan's BLAME-Games .. We actually had the chance to let the NBA Fans build Jeremy LinSanity into a worldwide NBA Knicks Star .... Recall Lin didnt take Houston first offer because he had to be waiting on the Knicks to give him a call or offer the day after the Knicks sign Jason Kidd (The best tutor/coach in the business for Jeremy Lin type of style).
For some unknown reason the Knicks organization never called Lin.Recall when we had to wait for the result to find out if the Knicks held Lin's rights.
Our GM at the time did announced the Knicks organization were gonna let (A huge FAN-Base) Jeremy Lin test the FA waters ...WHAT??????
Like conversing with a 14 year old fan boy. Right, the Knicks blew their chance to turn Lin into the star he never became, not even fing close. Did you listen to the interview? Getting so defensive about a coach who hasnt shown anything in 8 years and a player who has shown almost nothing in the 4 years since those handful of games. Lin has changed teams 4 times since then, get over it.
The story in the article and that the OP is raising relates to the attitude of Melo and Amare more so than the subsequent success of Lin or the character or success of MDA. Those other topics are side notes to the story.