Knicks · “How Carmelo, Amar’e pushed Jeremy Lin out” Mike D’Antoni said in Woj podcast (page 4)
mreinman wrote:Hahn wrote a column or spoke about the similarities between Melo and MDA in a chat back before he worked for MSG. What he read, spoke I thought was spot on at the time.dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.
he was still a stubborn putz. Your players won't take you seriously if you can't see your own faults as well.
I am not exonerating melo or amare because they were putz's too. Melo and MDA are actually quite similar in their narcissistic ways however, Melo seems to be maturing while MDA seems to still be the same putz.
dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
It amounts to the exact same thing.
CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Move on, nothing to see here. Unless you just feel the need to pet your pointless LinLove/MeloHate.
How bout them Knicks?
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
so what you are saying is that melo and amare were justified in "not wanting to" or "refusing to do" what their coach wanted them to do. cool.
dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
so what you are saying is that melo and amare were justified in "not wanting to" or "refusing to do" what their coach wanted them to do. cool.
You prefer failing, quiting like a biatch then throwing everyone under the bus without taking any responsibility.....
dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
so what you are saying is that melo and amare were justified in "not wanting to" or "refusing to do" what their coach wanted them to do. cool.
D'Antoni said both players didn't want to change their roles. He didn't say they refused. We know Noah didnt want to come off the bench in Chicago. The guy was the captain and had been the heart and soul of the team. But the 'first year' head coach had him go to the bench because he thought it gave the team the best chance to win. Afflalo didn't want to go to the bench even though it was supposed to balance the second unit. D'Antoni doesn't come off looking good in any of the knick conversation on the podcast. It would have been nice if he took some ownership for things he had control over instead of passing the blame onto his players.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
so what you are saying is that melo and amare were justified in "not wanting to" or "refusing to do" what their coach wanted them to do. cool.
D'Antoni said both players didn't want to change their roles. He didn't say they refused. We know Noah didnt want to come off the bench in Chicago. The guy was the captain and had been the heart and soul of the team. But the 'first year' head coach had him go to the bench because he thought it gave the team the best chance to win. Afflalo didn't want to go to the bench even though it was supposed to balance the second unit. D'Antoni doesn't come off looking good in any of the knick conversation on the podcast. It would have been nice if he took some ownership for things he had control over instead of passing the blame onto his players.
Sprewell bitched and complained to anyone who would listen that he didn't want to come off the bench his first yr here. Van Gundy actually had the b@lls to actually be the Head Coach and implement his plan and tell the players to do what was best for the team or hit the road...MDA was way too passive....
HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
so what you are saying is that melo and amare were justified in "not wanting to" or "refusing to do" what their coach wanted them to do. cool.
You prefer failing, quiting like a biatch then throwing everyone under the bus without taking any responsibility.....
i prefer chain of command and hierarchy but unfortunately in the nba, when the troops are being paid 100 times more than the generals you have these sorts of situations. in a healthy organization the players do what they are told, lest they acquire the reputation of being coach killers. for instance, when paul george groused about playing the 4 larry bird said "he don't make the decisions around here, i do." that's an example of how things work in a healthy, well-run organization. sadly, at that time for the knicks, it was dolan front and center. this was the same perverted scumbag dolan who was forced by stern to hire a real basketball person to replace the sick-headed malignant narcissist thomas. again, sadly, dolan still had not swallowed enough medicine, and since dolan was solely responsible for giving a hand job to melo, a power struggle resulted, wherefrom both walsh and d'antoni found the emergency exit by "resigning."
that's my interpretation of those events. you're entitled to your own interpretation. god bless
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
so what you are saying is that melo and amare were justified in "not wanting to" or "refusing to do" what their coach wanted them to do. cool.
D'Antoni said both players didn't want to change their roles. He didn't say they refused. We know Noah didnt want to come off the bench in Chicago. The guy was the captain and had been the heart and soul of the team. But the 'first year' head coach had him go to the bench because he thought it gave the team the best chance to win. Afflalo didn't want to go to the bench even though it was supposed to balance the second unit. D'Antoni doesn't come off looking good in any of the knick conversation on the podcast. It would have been nice if he took some ownership for things he had control over instead of passing the blame onto his players.
he never had the power you believe he had, just like you believe dolan and melo were not joined at the hip from february 21st 2011 onward. i doubt reality will ever sink in for you on this front. please, do keep clinging to your fantasies. it's fascinating
dk7th wrote:You are all over the place. First D'Antoni was gracious when he passed blame on his players for his not setting the line up the way he thought would best benefit the team and when he brushed over how much better the Knicks were once he left and cited circumstances changing because of injury and Woodson running the same sets. Now you are saying that he wasn't allowed to set his line ups or choose how his team played because of the owner? Come on now. Dolan outbid the Bulls for Mike. The Knicks drafted specific to his system and often took less talented players, they waived and traded guys he didn't want etc. The guy didn't present as having much of a back bone his entire tenure in NY and he certainly had total support from Donnie Walsh. When you can't rationally defend your arguments you always seem to throw Dolan in and blame him for things that could never be substantiated and are extemely far fetched.CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Suit yourself.dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:It amounts to the exact same thing.dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
Who gives a shit. Love how people ignore the obvious circumstances and facts but continue talking about some bull shit fantasy of what could have been. This just goes to show what a moron MDA was. He thought it was a good move to put a two week wonder in a higher role than two parenial All Stars. Yeah, that is what most experienced coaches would have done? And why are we still talking about this guy? Lin has gone on to prove all the Lin hard-ons wrong. He sucked in Houston. Sucked in LA. And played and average back up role on a walk year. But everyone is still acting like Lin would have gotten us a chip? Stupid to argue he was worth the money Houston wasted on him. And as for MDA, except for his terrible in game adjustments, non existent defensive framework and total lack of player respect, he was a great coach. Still laugh my ass off every time I think of his time out speeches. The "Nutty Professor".
so what you are saying is that melo and amare were justified in "not wanting to" or "refusing to do" what their coach wanted them to do. cool.
D'Antoni said both players didn't want to change their roles. He didn't say they refused. We know Noah didnt want to come off the bench in Chicago. The guy was the captain and had been the heart and soul of the team. But the 'first year' head coach had him go to the bench because he thought it gave the team the best chance to win. Afflalo didn't want to go to the bench even though it was supposed to balance the second unit. D'Antoni doesn't come off looking good in any of the knick conversation on the podcast. It would have been nice if he took some ownership for things he had control over instead of passing the blame onto his players.he never had the power you believe he had, just like you believe dolan and melo were not joined at the hip from february 21st 2011 onward. i doubt reality will ever sink in for you on this front. please, do keep clinging to your fantasies. it's fascinating
Records or not, superstars (or rising stars, or in Linsanity's case, arguable rising stars) clash. Sometimes personal clash, sometimes basketball clash. Why can't people talk about it? We all have to pretend every team is one big happy family?
GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I had only read the post article but I just listened to the podcast. Wow. I didn't think I could come away with having less respect for how he handled things in NY but I did.Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Yeah, I do agree with your point on this. You shouldn't talk negatively about previous or current co-workers, and this does make MDA look bad. Regardless, if Melo is inflexible, it's a concern of ours.
I am just curious. My cousin is a teacher and she has the same problem at school when students don't listen and parents get really protective. Cool kids and all, but the issue is the same.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Again I disagree. It was D'Antoni's job to change the line up if it was the best thing for the team and team goals.CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:He didn't say that the players refused anything. He said they didn't want to. Did Noah want to go to the bench in Chicago? How about Afflalo? Who makes that call? Who has the responsibility for setting the line up?CrushAlot wrote:He said that with the way Lin ran the team, and the remarkable success the Knicks experienced, that he wanted Melo to move to the 4 and Amare to come off the bench. They refused to do what he asked-- their own coach with a proven record of success at that time-- and he resigned. He noted that when Melo moved to the 4 out of necessity that that made a big difference, vindicating his vision for the team.dk7th wrote:I heard it and did not feel that way at all. I heard a guy taking little tey refusedo no accountability to a situation that he could have handled differently and putting it on his players. Either don't go there with Woj or own up to your own mistakes.CrushAlot wrote:i heard a pretty gracious person who realized he had lost the team and resigned once he realized it. once he saw how well lin did leading the knicks during that stretch, he wanted to make it lin's team and allow lin to play the way he, lin, wanted to play. apparently the adjustments required of melo and amare were too much to ask for the cause of winning or in service of winning, and the writing was on the wall.dk7th wrote:d'antoni haters out in full force, hear what you want to hear, interpret what he is saying how you will. carry on with the useless trolling.Did you listen to the podcast?argue 20-20 hindsight if you want-- lin gets hurt, lin is just an average player with a brilliant streak, etc. it doesn't cover over the fact that d'antoni wasn't powerful enough to make his players do what he wanted them to do, and it reflects poorly on amare and melo.
It amounts to the exact same thing.
wallstbear wrote:Openly criticize a teammate for getting a high offer isn't a very noble thing to do, is it?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Yeah that's a fair point
wallstbear wrote:Openly criticize a teammate for getting a high offer isn't a very noble thing to do, is it?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Of course not; I mean what kind of person would criticize someone who apparently got incredibly overpaid for what amounted to a 2 week performance? Especially since said teammate went on to have a great HOF-level career...backing up Toney Douglass and Patrick Beverly.
Nobility....i'll have to remember that concept while I re-read all the posting about Melo's embarrassingly ridiculous Max contract.
Oh that's right, nobility only applies to teammates...
jrodmc wrote:wallstbear wrote:Openly criticize a teammate for getting a high offer isn't a very noble thing to do, is it?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Of course not; I mean what kind of person would criticize someone who apparently got incredibly overpaid for what amounted to a 2 week performance? Especially since said teammate went on to have a great HOF-level career...backing up Toney Douglass and Patrick Beverly.
Nobility....i'll have to remember that concept while I re-read all the posting about Melo's embarrassingly ridiculous Max contract.
Oh that's right, nobility only applies to teammates...
huh? You shouldn't publicly criticize any co-workers salaries. How much they're overpaid is irrelevant.
Bonn1997 wrote:This thread is about a former coach passing blame onto his players five years later.jrodmc wrote:wallstbear wrote:Openly criticize a teammate for getting a high offer isn't a very noble thing to do, is it?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Of course not; I mean what kind of person would criticize someone who apparently got incredibly overpaid for what amounted to a 2 week performance? Especially since said teammate went on to have a great HOF-level career...backing up Toney Douglass and Patrick Beverly.
Nobility....i'll have to remember that concept while I re-read all the posting about Melo's embarrassingly ridiculous Max contract.
Oh that's right, nobility only applies to teammates...
huh? You shouldn't publicly criticize any co-workers salaries. How much they're overpaid is irrelevant.
CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:This thread is about a former coach passing blame onto his players five years later.jrodmc wrote:wallstbear wrote:Openly criticize a teammate for getting a high offer isn't a very noble thing to do, is it?GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is called deflection.This post is about that teams epic failure prior to Lin arriving, winning and the jealously that followed. Not Dantoni's career record
Yeah exactly. If we're going to talk about MDA's record in recent years, we should be talking about the records of everyone involved in the story (Melo, Amare, Lin) etc. Or we could just focus on the actual story. We shouldn't scrutinize MDA's records and ignore the other people's though.As far as I know, Melo and Amare haven't given interviews lately trashing D'Antoni. I don't believe someone who has had very little success in this league for the last 8 years, in part because of his inflexibilty, should be talking negatively about anyone. Not sure why you guys think thats ok, regardless of what you think about Lin, Amare, or Melo.
Even if what MDA says reflects poorly on his character, that doesn't invalidate his points. Maybe MDA is a mean person but that's a separate topic and one that shouldn't matter to Knicks fans since he's not part of the team.Character matters IMO when that coach starts lobbing accusations. Melo flew to Vegas to recruit Lin if I recall, dont know about Stat. And this was to recruit a player who had shown something only for a few weeks, really. For a future HOFer, All Star, to do that was a sign of great respect. How much more was he supposed to do?
Of course not; I mean what kind of person would criticize someone who apparently got incredibly overpaid for what amounted to a 2 week performance? Especially since said teammate went on to have a great HOF-level career...backing up Toney Douglass and Patrick Beverly.
Nobility....i'll have to remember that concept while I re-read all the posting about Melo's embarrassingly ridiculous Max contract.
Oh that's right, nobility only applies to teammates...
huh? You shouldn't publicly criticize any co-workers salaries. How much they're overpaid is irrelevant.
OK, but there are now 4 replies on this related tangent. Clearly the tangent is connected to the topic even though it isn't the main topic. But I'll delete my comment if the other people delete theirs. It doesn't really matter to me.