Bonn1997 wrote:y2zipper wrote:A few predictions here...Porzingis will finish with an "All-Star Level" PER (20+) and will be much better offensively...
Rose will be closer to the "league average level" of 15 PER.
Joakim Noah will play 65-70 games and average about 25 minutes per...
I'm gonna go 42-47 wins, That's somewhere between 3-6 in the East and I'll take them to win one playoff series if they don't get matched up against Cleveland or Toronto in the first round.
Hmmm. This year 42 to 47 wins would have been 6th to 9th seed.
And last year 42 to 47 would have been the 5th seed (with the 8th seed winning 38 games), and the year before that 42-47 would have covered the the 5th and 6th seed (with 8th again winning 38), and the year before that 42-47 would have covered the 5th-6th seed, (8th seed had 38 wins), etc. and so on. Stuff changes every year, fathom that!
I'll say 40-45 wins, 4th-7th seed.
nychamp wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:y2zipper wrote:A few predictions here...Porzingis will finish with an "All-Star Level" PER (20+) and will be much better offensively...
Rose will be closer to the "league average level" of 15 PER.
Joakim Noah will play 65-70 games and average about 25 minutes per...
I'm gonna go 42-47 wins, That's somewhere between 3-6 in the East and I'll take them to win one playoff series if they don't get matched up against Cleveland or Toronto in the first round.
Hmmm. This year 42 to 47 wins would have been 6th to 9th seed.
And last year 42 to 47 would have been the 5th seed (with the 8th seed winning 38 games), and the year before that 42-47 would have covered the the 5th and 6th seed (with 8th again winning 38), and the year before that 42-47 would have covered the 5th-6th seed, (8th seed had 38 wins), etc. and so on. Stuff changes every year, fathom that!
Well, the east was strong for the first time in years. You're expecting it to get weaker again?
Bonn1997 wrote:nychamp wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:y2zipper wrote:A few predictions here...Porzingis will finish with an "All-Star Level" PER (20+) and will be much better offensively...
Rose will be closer to the "league average level" of 15 PER.
Joakim Noah will play 65-70 games and average about 25 minutes per...
I'm gonna go 42-47 wins, That's somewhere between 3-6 in the East and I'll take them to win one playoff series if they don't get matched up against Cleveland or Toronto in the first round.
Hmmm. This year 42 to 47 wins would have been 6th to 9th seed.
And last year 42 to 47 would have been the 5th seed (with the 8th seed winning 38 games), and the year before that 42-47 would have covered the the 5th and 6th seed (with 8th again winning 38), and the year before that 42-47 would have covered the 5th-6th seed, (8th seed had 38 wins), etc. and so on. Stuff changes every year, fathom that!
Well, the east was strong for the first time in years. You're expecting it to get weaker again?
I actually do think some teams could fall off a bit from last year. Miami, Atlanta and Charlotte could drop a few games back of what they did last year. It won't take much for teams to drop spots in the East.
Eastern W L PCT GB CONF DIV HOME ROAD L 10 STREAK
Cleveland 57 25 0.695 0.0 35-17 8-8 33-8 24-17 6-4 L 1
Toronto 56 26 0.683 1.0 39-13 14-2 32-9 24-17 7-3 W 4
Miami 48 34 0.585 9.0 31-21 10-6 28-13 20-21 6-4 L 1
Atlanta 48 34 0.585 9.0 29-23 8-8 27-14 21-20 6-4 L 2
Boston 48 34 0.585 9.0 31-21 10-6 28-13 20-21 6-4 W 1
Charlotte 48 34 0.585 9.0 33-19 8-8 30-11 18-23 7-3 W 2
Indiana 45 37 0.549 12.0 30-22 8-8 26-15 19-22 7-3 W 3
Detroit 44 38 0.537 13.0 29-23 10-6 26-15 18-23 6-4 W 1
There a lots of ifs with the team...if Melos knees hold up, if Rose can play a full season, if Noah shoulder is right, if Jennings Achilles has healed. Yet we've a 20 year old kid on our squad and he's the future so I think it's a 48 win team if KP is the player we expect him to be. Not that I'm expecting 20/10 but I am expecting him to play the season, average 17+ and block shots and tie up the middle as well as or better than he did with Robin L., given that Noah is better. I no longer expect Melo to average 20 and if Rose can give us 17.5 per and 5 assists I'm happy. 46-49
Paris907 wrote:There a lots of ifs with the team...if Melos knees hold up, if Rose can play a full season, if Noah shoulder is right, if Jennings Achilles has healed. Yet we've a 20 year old kid on our squad and he's the future so I think it's a 48 win team if KP is the player we expect him to be. Not that I'm expecting 20/10 but I am expecting him to play the season, average 17+ and block shots and tie up the middle as well as or better than he did with Robin L., given that Noah is better. I no longer expect Melo to average 20 and if Rose can give us 17.5 per and 5 assists I'm happy. 46-49
Every one here would be salivating for a 49 win team, but 82 games is a long season. People will get hurt, if you factor that in low forties are more realistic. Plus we haven't yet seen what type of "fit" this team will have and exactly what our new style will look like. I think Bonn said it best neither 25 wins nor 52 wind would be out of the question.
54-30 Eastern Conference Finals...
Beat Cleveland in 7... Lose to the Spurs in 7.
A muthaf*cka can dream right?
meloshouldgo wrote:Paris907 wrote:There a lots of ifs with the team...if Melos knees hold up, if Rose can play a full season, if Noah shoulder is right, if Jennings Achilles has healed. Yet we've a 20 year old kid on our squad and he's the future so I think it's a 48 win team if KP is the player we expect him to be. Not that I'm expecting 20/10 but I am expecting him to play the season, average 17+ and block shots and tie up the middle as well as or better than he did with Robin L., given that Noah is better. I no longer expect Melo to average 20 and if Rose can give us 17.5 per and 5 assists I'm happy. 46-49
Every one here would be salivating for a 49 win team, but 82 games is a long season. People will get hurt, if you factor that in low forties are more realistic. Plus we haven't yet seen what type of "fit" this team will have and exactly what our new style will look like. I think Bonn said it best neither 25 wins nor 52 wind would be out of the question.
No one on this Knicks team is going to have to kill themselves in order for this team to win games. I think the way this roster fits together should allow this team to perform at a high enough level to be a top team in the East.
Despite the injury history this is actually a good time for Rose, Melo, Noah and Jennings. They're going into this season without having just had a surgery. This is usually when you start to see positive progress for players. All of these guys are going full tilt in their offseason programs. I like the bench as well. They should be able to help carry the load next season.
This roster is built for top 4 in the east
Paris907 wrote:There a lots of ifs with the team...if Melos knees hold up, if Rose can play a full season, if Noah shoulder is right, if Jennings Achilles has healed. Yet we've a 20 year old kid on our squad and he's the future so I think it's a 48 win team if KP is the player we expect him to be. Not that I'm expecting 20/10 but I am expecting him to play the season, average 17+ and block shots and tie up the middle as well as or better than he did with Robin L., given that Noah is better. I no longer expect Melo to average 20 and if Rose can give us 17.5 per and 5 assists I'm happy. 46-49
Last year was a good example supporting the "if factor"...we were at .500 when Melo was injured and we were playing competitively. Have to figure that we would have been much closer to 40 wins than 30 if he doesn't get injured and if KP doesn't get hurt to close out the season.
No reason why we can't be in the 45-50 win range if our key players are healthy and our supporting cast plays up to potential.
Stevo718 wrote:54-30 Eastern Conference Finals...Beat Cleveland in 7... Lose to the Spurs in 7.
A muthaf*cka can dream right?
But can a muthaf*cka do math?
Panos wrote:Stevo718 wrote:54-30 Eastern Conference Finals...Beat Cleveland in 7... Lose to the Spurs in 7.
A muthaf*cka can dream right?
But can a muthaf*cka do math?
LOL. 55-31!
Panos wrote:Stevo718 wrote:54-30 Eastern Conference Finals...Beat Cleveland in 7... Lose to the Spurs in 7.
A muthaf*cka can dream right?
But can a muthaf*cka do math?
37 wins and out of the playoffs.
This team is so unpredictable to me. But I will go 45 wins, 6th seed, 1st round loss to Indiana or Boston
42 -44 wins, 6th seed, lose in second round, draft between 18-20
VCoug wrote:37 wins and out of the playoffs.
What makes you think this team won't have a winning record and make the playoffs? Heck they would've won more than 37 if Melo, LT and KP had stayed healthy, IMO. Possibly even more with a very good coach and no coaching change. This current roster is far better and most surely Hornacek has a better plan for the team. Playing uptempo, with more spacing and an emphasis on more efficient scoring should really help these players. I just don't see only 5 more wins from last years team. I'm curious what has you thinking 5 more wins.
nixluva wrote:VCoug wrote:37 wins and out of the playoffs.
What makes you think this team won't have a winning record and make the playoffs? Heck they would've won more than 37 if Melo, LT and KP had stayed healthy, IMO. Possibly even more with a very good coach and no coaching change. This current roster is far better and most surely Hornacek has a better plan for the team. Playing uptempo, with more spacing and an emphasis on more efficient scoring should really help these players. I just don't see only 5 more wins from last years team. I'm curious what has you thinking 5 more wins.
Maybe injuries. I believe this team will gel, but injuries are definitely the wild card.
nixluva wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Paris907 wrote:There a lots of ifs with the team...if Melos knees hold up, if Rose can play a full season, if Noah shoulder is right, if Jennings Achilles has healed. Yet we've a 20 year old kid on our squad and he's the future so I think it's a 48 win team if KP is the player we expect him to be. Not that I'm expecting 20/10 but I am expecting him to play the season, average 17+ and block shots and tie up the middle as well as or better than he did with Robin L., given that Noah is better. I no longer expect Melo to average 20 and if Rose can give us 17.5 per and 5 assists I'm happy. 46-49
Every one here would be salivating for a 49 win team, but 82 games is a long season. People will get hurt, if you factor that in low forties are more realistic. Plus we haven't yet seen what type of "fit" this team will have and exactly what our new style will look like. I think Bonn said it best neither 25 wins nor 52 wind would be out of the question.
No one on this Knicks team is going to have to kill themselves in order for this team to win games. I think the way this roster fits together should allow this team to perform at a high enough level to be a top team in the East.
Despite the injury history this is actually a good time for Rose, Melo, Noah and Jennings. They're going into this season without having just had a surgery. This is usually when you start to see positive progress for players. All of these guys are going full tilt in their offseason programs. I like the bench as well. They should be able to help carry the load next season.
Bench seeems set 1-3. Id like to see a more established player at 4-5 beyond O Quinn whom I like. Wily H, Plumlee and NDour are unproven in NBA and may not be ready. Know KP can shift there and give some minutes but leery of overtaxing Noah given his history of leg issues. Mentioned Tyler Zeller before but I dont know how we'd be able to take on $.
nixluva wrote:VCoug wrote:37 wins and out of the playoffs.
What makes you think this team won't have a winning record and make the playoffs? Heck they would've won more than 37 if Melo, LT and KP had stayed healthy, IMO. Possibly even more with a very good coach and no coaching change. This current roster is far better and most surely Hornacek has a better plan for the team. Playing uptempo, with more spacing and an emphasis on more efficient scoring should really help these players. I just don't see only 5 more wins from last years team. I'm curious what has you thinking 5 more wins.
Afflao to Lee is only a slight upgrade. Lopez to Noah is probably a wash at best and if Noah plays this year like he did last year prior to getting hurt it's actually a downgrade. Derrick Rose is terrible at basketball. Whatever improvements we see from Porzingis will be mitigated by the fact that he'll be 3rd on the team in touches behind a declining Melo and a terrible Rose. Hell, depending on how much Jennings plays Porzingis might be 4th in touches.
