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nixluva wrote:dk7th wrote:1st of all I really couldn't care LESS what the Bulls situation was with or without Rose. We've already established that Rose struggled after dealing with the Orbital Surgery and Mask situation. This Knicks team is going to be run a different way and with a lot of different players than the Bulls last season. From your questions it seems to me that you're only looking for a negative angle to come at this from.nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.1)what was the record of that team with Rose and without Rose?In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
2)are the Knicks better on paper than the Bulls last season: Gasol, Butler, etc.?I believe that this Knicks team fits together much better and matches, as closely as possible, how Hornacek has said he wants to play. That should allow JH to get the most out of his roster. JH will be able to do the things he loves to do with his teams and that should help this team to excel.
On this Knicks team is't not gonna be ALL ON ONE OR TWO GUYS! There's enough talent to make things easier for everyone. It's simple. Play hard, pass and move and everything should come easier.
Sorry to rile you. It was not my intention. I asked because I wanted to see if he was a difference maker for better or worse. If you saw my post I predict 38-43 wins which is pretty much the mean of all predictions. Since you are great at providing numbers I thought I'd ask you about these. If you'd rather not, I guess I'll just have to look them up later.
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
The team definitely meets the average person's definition of talent. I haven't heard anyone criticize the team's talent. That's just a distraction. The real issues are the players' decision-making and health. I know you say these will be good but many including me won't believe it until we see it.
Why are you concerned with the players decision making? What makes you think that these players aren't capable of playing good team basketball?
There is enough proof that these players can play good team basketball. Collectively I think this group is a good fit. I think Hornacek is a good coach and Phil has given him some good talent to work with and do the things he loves to do. I think the players will love playing for JH.
As I listed above, the way Rose played in the 49 games without the Mask and the 21 after the All Star Break is a very good sign for this team. He's not going to have to do it all by himself since there is quality talent around him. I'm not having to go out on a limb, just looking at the many factors in this team's favor. Hopefully the Knicks will have some blowouts against weaker teams and can give guys lots of rest. I just want to see this team be relatively healthy come playoff time. Get into the playoffs healthy and I like their chances.
nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
That article is completely disingenuous. The trainer's saying that he hasn't gotten a full offseason to work because of the playoffs but for 3 seasons, 2011/12 through 2013/14, he played in a combined 1 playoff game. The slight uptick in his shooting percentages is exclusively from shooting 37% from 3; something he's never come close to doing over the course of any season of his career. The only other stat that improved was his ORtg but that was offset by his DRtg getting worse by an equal amount.
dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:dk7th wrote:1st of all I really couldn't care LESS what the Bulls situation was with or without Rose. We've already established that Rose struggled after dealing with the Orbital Surgery and Mask situation. This Knicks team is going to be run a different way and with a lot of different players than the Bulls last season. From your questions it seems to me that you're only looking for a negative angle to come at this from.nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.1)what was the record of that team with Rose and without Rose?In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
2)are the Knicks better on paper than the Bulls last season: Gasol, Butler, etc.?I believe that this Knicks team fits together much better and matches, as closely as possible, how Hornacek has said he wants to play. That should allow JH to get the most out of his roster. JH will be able to do the things he loves to do with his teams and that should help this team to excel.
On this Knicks team is't not gonna be ALL ON ONE OR TWO GUYS! There's enough talent to make things easier for everyone. It's simple. Play hard, pass and move and everything should come easier.
Sorry to rile you. It was not my intention. I asked because I wanted to see if he was a difference maker for better or worse. If you saw my post I predict 38-43 wins which is pretty much the mean of all predictions. Since you are great at providing numbers I thought I'd ask you about these. If you'd rather not, I guess I'll just have to look them up later.
The Bulls were 32-34 with Rose and 10-6 without him. You can see his on/off splits [url="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01/on-off/2016/"]here[/url]. Almost every single metric, both offensive and defensive, the Bulls were better without Rose last season.
dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:dk7th wrote:1st of all I really couldn't care LESS what the Bulls situation was with or without Rose. We've already established that Rose struggled after dealing with the Orbital Surgery and Mask situation. This Knicks team is going to be run a different way and with a lot of different players than the Bulls last season. From your questions it seems to me that you're only looking for a negative angle to come at this from.nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.1)what was the record of that team with Rose and without Rose?In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
2)are the Knicks better on paper than the Bulls last season: Gasol, Butler, etc.?I believe that this Knicks team fits together much better and matches, as closely as possible, how Hornacek has said he wants to play. That should allow JH to get the most out of his roster. JH will be able to do the things he loves to do with his teams and that should help this team to excel.
On this Knicks team is't not gonna be ALL ON ONE OR TWO GUYS! There's enough talent to make things easier for everyone. It's simple. Play hard, pass and move and everything should come easier.
Sorry to rile you. It was not my intention. I asked because I wanted to see if he was a difference maker for better or worse. If you saw my post I predict 38-43 wins which is pretty much the mean of all predictions. Since you are great at providing numbers I thought I'd ask you about these. If you'd rather not, I guess I'll just have to look them up later.
I believe the team went 10-6 in the games Rose didn't play and 32-34 in the games he did play.
I don't care because there were a lot of issues in Chicago. It really didn't come down to just Rose. Also we know that Rose had a period when he struggled early in the year coming off the Orbital Surgery. I'm pretty sure he wasn't helping the team playing so poorly. that is not the Rose we should be expecting next season. My guess is that he will perform close to what we saw of him in the 49 games after he took off the mask and hopefully even better than the 21 games after the All Star Break.
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
The team definitely meets the average person's definition of talent. I haven't heard anyone criticize the team's talent. That's just a distraction. The real issues are the players' decision-making and health. I know you say these will be good but many including me won't believe it until we see it.
Why are you concerned with the players decision making? What makes you think that these players aren't capable of playing good team basketball?
There is enough proof that these players can play good team basketball. Collectively I think this group is a good fit. I think Hornacek is a good coach and Phil has given him some good talent to work with and do the things he loves to do. I think the players will love playing for JH.As I listed above, the way Rose played in the 49 games without the Mask and the 21 after the All Star Break is a very good sign for this team. He's not going to have to do it all by himself since there is quality talent around him. I'm not having to go out on a limb, just looking at the many factors in this team's favor. Hopefully the Knicks will have some blowouts against weaker teams and can give guys lots of rest. I just want to see this team be relatively healthy come playoff time. Get into the playoffs healthy and I like their chances.
It depends on what you mean by capable. If you are asking whether it's *possible*, then I would say it is possible. That's why I said a win total of 25 or of 50 would not shock me. It depends on our key players' health and mindset. If they all stay healthy and play smarter on offense, the win total will be around 50. If they all play like last year (or even a little worse in some cases given aging), I'd expect a win total in the 20s. That's why I took a middle ground and said 41 earlier in the thread.
VCoug wrote:nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
That article is completely disingenuous. The trainer's saying that he hasn't gotten a full offseason to work because of the playoffs but for 3 seasons, 2011/12 through 2013/14, he played in a combined 1 playoff game. The slight uptick in his shooting percentages is exclusively from shooting 37% from 3; something he's never come close to doing over the course of any season of his career. The only other stat that improved was his ORtg but that was offset by his DRtg getting worse by an equal amount.
The point wasn't just about playoffs but also Surgery and rehab periods. In any event Rose has been struggling to get his body and game back on track. I believe this is the perfect time to have gotten him. He's been able to have a nice long period of work and it should help him to be prepared for next season.
What matters most to me is how Hornacek gets these players to work with each other. The schemes he's used in the past are IMO very beneficial for the players we have. I think it will fit with the talents and skills of these players and enhance their abilities.
VCoug wrote:nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
That article is completely disingenuous. The trainer's saying that he hasn't gotten a full offseason to work because of the playoffs but for 3 seasons, 2011/12 through 2013/14, he played in a combined 1 playoff game. The slight uptick in his shooting percentages is exclusively from shooting 37% from 3; something he's never come close to doing over the course of any season of his career. The only other stat that improved was his ORtg but that was offset by his DRtg getting worse by an equal amount.
He was better (but not good) from 2 point range in the 2nd half (.431 vs. .477). Average 2 point % is around 49 and good offenses are closer to 51 or 52% from 2 point range.
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
The team definitely meets the average person's definition of talent. I haven't heard anyone criticize the team's talent. That's just a distraction. The real issues are the players' decision-making and health. I know you say these will be good but many including me won't believe it until we see it.
Why are you concerned with the players decision making? What makes you think that these players aren't capable of playing good team basketball?
There is enough proof that these players can play good team basketball. Collectively I think this group is a good fit. I think Hornacek is a good coach and Phil has given him some good talent to work with and do the things he loves to do. I think the players will love playing for JH.As I listed above, the way Rose played in the 49 games without the Mask and the 21 after the All Star Break is a very good sign for this team. He's not going to have to do it all by himself since there is quality talent around him. I'm not having to go out on a limb, just looking at the many factors in this team's favor. Hopefully the Knicks will have some blowouts against weaker teams and can give guys lots of rest. I just want to see this team be relatively healthy come playoff time. Get into the playoffs healthy and I like their chances.
It depends on what you mean by capable. If you are asking whether it's *possible*, then I would say it is possible. That's why I said a win total of 25 or of 50 would not shock me. It depends on our key players' health and mindset. If they all stay healthy and play smarter on offense, the win total will be around 50. If they all play like last year (or even a little worse in some cases given aging), I'd expect a win total in the 20s. That's why I took a middle ground and said 41 earlier in the thread.
Lee, Noah and KP are very much team players and won't need any special push for them to play that way. Melo and Rose are primary scorers and still are very capable ball movers even with their taking a lot of shots. All of them together should be motivation to share the ball. They like and respect each other. I don't foresee any issues with team play. Hornacek is the one that will be most responsible for how this team approaches the game and I like his schemes and philosophy on the game.
Hornacek will be cognizant of players minutes and I suspect the Training and Medical staff will also be very aggressive in providing rest. This isn't a situation where i'm expecting 82 games from all of these players. There will be missed games, whether as rest days or due to some bumps and bruises. That's all you can do. You can't protect against random freak accidents like Melo tripping over a ref.
We have some good 3pt shooters in the starting lineup, Rose needs to focus on drawing the defense away from his teammates. Rose is at a make or break point in his career, this is a great opportunity for him to show that he can make his teammates better. If he does he'll be a star in NY. Im sure Jennings is also going for the number one spot.
5th Seed.
EwingsGlass wrote:I don't think we have a strong enough bench to compete at the highest levels. 39-44 wins. Add a legitimate 7th and 8th man and this team can go to 50 wins.5th Seed.
Hornacek has spoken openly about using his starters intermixed with the bench. He isn't looking to run a platoon system from what he's said. That should allow for this team to have quality on the floor at all times. I actually think there's enough talent to be highly competitive. I think there are enough Live Bodies and High Motor players on the roster for Hornacek to work with.
Derrick Rose PG
Courtney Lee SG
Carmelo Anthony SF
Kristaps Porzingis PF
Joakim Noah CBrandon Jennings PG
Lance Thomas SF
Justin Holiday SG
Sasha Vujacic SG
Kyle O'Quinn CMindaugas Kuzminskas SF
Willy Hernangomez C
Maurice N'dour PF
Marshall Plumlee PF
Ron Baker SG
When Hornacek won 48 games in PHX I think he got a lot out of his roster which was a good roster but wasn't Elite in any sense.
Player Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK PTS ▾
Goran Dragic 27 76 75 35.1 7.3 14.4 .505 1.6 3.9 .408 5.7 10.4 .542 .561 4.2 5.5 .760 0.9 2.3 3.2 5.9 1.4 0.3 20.3
Eric Bledsoe 24 43 40 32.9 6.2 12.9 .477 1.2 3.3 .357 5.0 9.7 .517 .522 4.3 5.5 .772 0.6 4.1 4.7 5.5 1.6 0.3 17.7
Gerald Green 28 82 48 28.4 5.5 12.3 .445 2.5 6.2 .400 3.0 6.0 .492 .547 2.4 2.8 .848 0.6 2.8 3.4 1.5 0.9 0.5 15.8
Markieff Morris 24 81 0 26.6 5.1 10.4 .486 0.4 1.3 .315 4.7 9.1 .512 .507 3.2 4.0 .792 1.7 4.3 6.0 1.8 0.8 0.6 13.8
Channing Frye 30 82 82 28.2 4.1 9.5 .432 2.0 5.3 .370 2.1 4.2 .509 .535 1.0 1.2 .821 0.9 4.2 5.1 1.2 0.7 0.8 11.1
Marcus Morris 24 82 1 22.0 3.5 7.9 .442 1.2 3.2 .381 2.3 4.8 .483 .518 1.5 1.9 .761 1.0 2.9 3.9 1.1 0.9 0.2 9.7
P.J. Tucker 28 81 81 30.7 3.3 7.6 .431 0.9 2.4 .387 2.4 5.2 .450 .491 1.9 2.5 .776 2.0 4.5 6.5 1.7 1.4 0.3 9.4
Miles Plumlee 25 80 79 24.6 3.6 6.9 .517 0.0 0.0 -- 3.6 6.9 .517 .517 0.9 1.7 .561 2.5 5.4 7.8 0.5 0.6 1.1 8.1
Leandro Barbosa 31 20 0 18.4 2.8 6.6 .427 0.4 1.3 .280 2.5 5.3 .462 .454 1.6 2.0 .795 0.3 1.6 1.9 1.6 0.4 0.2 7.5
Ish Smith 25 70 1 14.4 1.7 4.0 .423 0.0 0.3 .043 1.7 3.7 .457 .425 0.3 0.6 .564 0.4 1.4 1.8 2.6 0.7 0.2 3.7
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
That article is completely disingenuous. The trainer's saying that he hasn't gotten a full offseason to work because of the playoffs but for 3 seasons, 2011/12 through 2013/14, he played in a combined 1 playoff game. The slight uptick in his shooting percentages is exclusively from shooting 37% from 3; something he's never come close to doing over the course of any season of his career. The only other stat that improved was his ORtg but that was offset by his DRtg getting worse by an equal amount.
He was better (but not good) from 2 point range in the 2nd half (.431 vs. .477). Average 2 point % is around 49 and good offenses are closer to 51 or 52% from 2 point range.
Even so, we're talking about 20 games, even less if you break it down by month. Looks like all of his improvement came during a 15 game stretch in March.
TheGame wrote:Knicks will win 50-55 games. I think Rose and Noah will each play at least 68 games and KP turns into a 17-20 point scorer. I am excited for the season. The Knicks will make it to at least the second round of the playoffs.
I'm looking for 60 wins and movies. Anything less will be a disappointment. The movie can happen within 3 years.
GustavBahler wrote:Rose I believe relied on the 3 ball more last season, took it to the rim less. If this new roster is to succeed Rose is going to have to make them pay for giving him the lane. We have gone through one starting PG after another who couldn't or wouldn't take it to the rim. Made the job of everyone else on the floor more difficult. Felton was the last PG to at least try, but he had trouble finishing.We have some good 3pt shooters in the starting lineup, Rose needs to focus on drawing the defense away from his teammates. Rose is at a make or break point in his career, this is a great opportunity for him to show that he can make his teammates better. If he does he'll be a star in NY. Im sure Jennings is also going for the number one spot.
He didn't. He took fewer 3FG/game last season then in any other season except his 1st two. From 2010-2015 he took 4.8, 4.4, 4.7, and 5.3 3FG/game. Last year he took 2.3.
VCoug wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Rose I believe relied on the 3 ball more last season, took it to the rim less. If this new roster is to succeed Rose is going to have to make them pay for giving him the lane. We have gone through one starting PG after another who couldn't or wouldn't take it to the rim. Made the job of everyone else on the floor more difficult. Felton was the last PG to at least try, but he had trouble finishing.We have some good 3pt shooters in the starting lineup, Rose needs to focus on drawing the defense away from his teammates. Rose is at a make or break point in his career, this is a great opportunity for him to show that he can make his teammates better. If he does he'll be a star in NY. Im sure Jennings is also going for the number one spot.
He didn't. He took fewer 3FG/game last season then in any other season except his 1st two. From 2010-2015 he took 4.8, 4.4, 4.7, and 5.3 3FG/game. Last year he took 2.3.
I expect there to be an increase in PnR and the number or 3's taken by Rose and others on this team.
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Hornacek thinks Rose can help find easier shots for Kristaps Porzingis, particularly in pick and rolls.https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/what-phil...
Hornacek said he's hopeful Rose's 3-point shot will improve as he continues to work on it, and as his legs get stronger.
Hornacek believes in efficiency and his entire approach to the game is to teach his players how to play more efficiently. I think that focus will help take this team in the right direction.
No indication whatsoever that he wants to be one or can
be one. Ever.
Knicks with Rose playing full season and messing up the
Triangle: 39-43, no playoffs.
Knicks with Rose injured and everyone else buying into
Triangle: 45-37, 6th seed.
Malcolm wrote:Rose is not a Triangle point guard.No indication whatsoever that he wants to be one
or can be one. Ever.Knicks with Rose playing full season and messing up the
Triangle: 39-43, no playoffs.Knicks with Rose injured and everyone else buying into
Triangle: 45-37, 6th seed.
I can tell you that the focus is not going to be on the Halfcourt Side Triangle in the way you think of it. They will look to push and attack early.
Also you are forgetting that under Thibs Rose was an MVP playing some Triangle!!! He's not always playing the Kerr or Paxson role, he's gonna be in the Kobe/MJ role and attacking in the Pinch Post side of the floor.
In this video at the 3:41 Mark you will see Rose in Triangle and again later at about the 5:20 mark.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:nixluva wrote:At the start of last season Rose was not at his best and struggling with the Mask after the Orbital Surgery. What is clear is that he did progress after time and removal of the Mask.In 49 games without the mask, however, Rose averaged 17.3 points on 44.9 percent shooting from the field.http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/17/knicks...In 21 games played after the All-Star Break, he averaged 17.4 points on a slash line of .468/.375/.784.
IMO with the extra time Rose has had in order to prepare his body and work on his skills, this is a very good situation for the Knicks. Rose has a very good opportunity to play a better brand of ball next season.
I'm still trying to understand why it is that people think the Knicks aren't that talented. Exactly how are teams going to be able to focus on stopping Rose, Melo and KP without leaving Lee or Noah open at some point? That's going to be the trick. As soon as you space the floor and put Rose in a 2 man game the advantage is all Knicks at that point. The defense will be put in a tough situation and most certainly will have to help off of Melo, KP or Lee. I'm not seeing a team that is going to be easy to defend at any point. Especially with Hornacek's aggressive style and approach to the game.
That article is completely disingenuous. The trainer's saying that he hasn't gotten a full offseason to work because of the playoffs but for 3 seasons, 2011/12 through 2013/14, he played in a combined 1 playoff game. The slight uptick in his shooting percentages is exclusively from shooting 37% from 3; something he's never come close to doing over the course of any season of his career. The only other stat that improved was his ORtg but that was offset by his DRtg getting worse by an equal amount.
He was better (but not good) from 2 point range in the 2nd half (.431 vs. .477). Average 2 point % is around 49 and good offenses are closer to 51 or 52% from 2 point range.Even so, we're talking about 20 games, even less if you break it down by month. Looks like all of his improvement came during a 15 game stretch in March.
Yeah that's a fair comment. And we gave up a very productive center and a 1st round pick (Grant) to get him. We basically paid for his skill set and on the court performance from 2012 and earlier. It was a steep price.
