Knicks · OT: NBA to Move All-Star Game From North Carolina (page 1)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/sports...

N.B.A. to Move All-Star Game From North Carolina

The National Basketball Association announced Thursday that it would not hold next season’s All-Star Game in Charlotte, N.C., the most significant fallout yet from state legislation that eliminated specific antidiscrimination protections for lesbians, gays and bisexuals.

The legislation, passed in March, also mandated that transgender people use public bathrooms that match their birth gender.

The law created an immediate backlash and raised speculation that the N.B.A., the North American professional league now most identified with engagement on social issues, would conclude that it had no choice but to move the game.

In a statement accompanying the announcement, the league said it hoped to hold the 2019 All-Star Game in Charlotte — with the clear implication that changes to the legislation would have to be made — and that a new site for the 2017 game would be announced in the next several weeks. The game had been scheduled for Feb. 19 at Time Warner Cable Arena.

Gov. Pat McCrory of North Carolina issued a blistering statement soon after the announcement by the N.B.A. He said “the sports and entertainment elite,” among others, had “misrepresented our laws and maligned the people of North Carolina simply because most people believe boys and girls should be able to use school bathrooms, locker rooms and showers without the opposite sex present.”

Mr. McCrory, a Republican, did not specifically refer to the N.B.A. in his statement, but he said that “American families should be on notice that the selective corporate elite are imposing their political will on communities in which they do business, thus bypassing the democratic and legal process.”

Several musicians — including Bruce Springsteen, Ringo Starr and Itzhak Perlman — have canceled concerts in North Carolina to protest the law, and there have been calls for repeal by a number of businesses, some of which have canceled plans to create new jobs in the state.

In the statement, the league said that both it and the Hornets, the N.B.A. team based in Charlotte, had been “working diligently’’ since the legislation was passed in March to foster “constructive dialogue” about the legislation and to “try to effect positive change.”
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But the legislation remains intact for now, and the N.B.A, acutely aware of the long lead time needed to stage an All-Star Game, opted to pull out of Charlotte.

“While we recognize that the N.B.A. cannot choose the law in every city, state and country in which we do business, we do not believe we can successfully host our All-Star festivities in Charlotte in the climate created” by the current law, the statement said.

N.B.A. players have generally been more publicly vocal about social justice issues in recent years. A number of the league’s top players have spoken out in recent weeks in reaction to shootings around the country that have left police officers dead in two cities and police officers accused of deadly recklessness in other cases.

In December, the N.B.A. participated in a series of television advertisements denouncing gun violence during its long Christmas Day schedule of games.

The decision by the N.B.A. is certain to inject new fervor into the debate about North Carolina’s law, which many people still refer to as House Bill 2.

Before its adjournment this month, and in defiance of pleas from public officials and corporate executives in Charlotte, the General Assembly resisted demands that it back away from some of the most contentious elements of the law, which supporters have argued is about public safety, not discrimination.

The fate of the law, which the United States Department of Justice has challenged as a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, is likely to be settled in court. A federal judge in Winston-Salem, N.C., will hear arguments next month on whether to block the law while the litigation is pending.

Republicans had signaled repeatedly that the N.B.A.’s misgivings were unlikely to persuade the law’s supporters.

“Our values are not shaped by the N.B.A. or Bruce Springsteen or some opinion poll,” state Representative Phil Shepard, a Republican and a Baptist minister, declared at a rally in April. “We’re standing strong.”

Looks like the sports world has joined the "elite."

I hadn't realized they were taking new members.

Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

arkrud wrote:Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

Not sure if you were being serious but why not? I never understood why bathrooms are so "open" anyway and I never understood why toilet partitions never extend from the floor to the ceiling for total privacy.

Weak response:
Governor Pat McCrory is reacting to the NBA's decision to move the All-Star game from Charlotte next year due to HB2.

The governor released the following statement:

“The sports and entertainment elite, Attorney General Roy Cooper and the liberal media have for months misrepresented our laws and maligned the people of North Carolina simply because most people believe boys and girls should be able to use school bathrooms, locker rooms and showers without the opposite sex present. Twenty-one other states have joined North Carolina to challenge the federal overreach by the Obama administration mandating their bathroom policies in all businesses and schools instead of allowing accommodations for unique circumstances. Left-wing special interest groups have no moral authority to try and intimidate the large majority of American parents who agree in common-sense bathroom and shower privacy for our children. American families should be on notice that the selective corporate elite are imposing their political will on communities in which they do business, thus bypassing the democratic and legal process.”

Deflect the issue, blame it on others, and not mention other aspect of the law that is racist and over reaching at many levels. McCrory was Mayor of Charlotte and to ascent to the office this guy, who is not a bad guy, has sold out in the worst way to keep his job. Republican party in this state is doing some awful things. Cities of Greensboro, Wilmington, Raleigh, Durham, Charlotte and Asheville are diverse and progressive. The rural rest of the state is backwards. They are at war with the cities.

We have a governors election this year and while its not a national election, its important.

Finally, a sports organization's leadership backing the general sentiment of their employees. Things are on the up for the NBA.

Cartman718 wrote:Finally, a sports organization's leadership backing the general sentiment of their employees. Things are on the up for the NBA.

I kind of thought professional athletes as being a bit on the homophobic side. This is the NBA basically aligning themselves up with corp. America.
The justice department will strike this law down. More important is the part of the amendment that speaks that citizens can't sue for discrimination at the state level, only the Federal Level.
The bathroom thing is stupid on its own. They assume that its been legal for people to behave badly in bathrooms. I want to know how they will police it.

This shyt is really simple, if your not offering equal protections then your discriminating. Jordan is a puzzy.

GOAT? I admire the players like Oscar and Kareem that took pride in who they were and their place in history!
Muhammad Ali sacrificed for his principles. Jordan is about selling his brand. One can do both.

Nalod wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Finally, a sports organization's leadership backing the general sentiment of their employees. Things are on the up for the NBA.

I kind of thought professional athletes as being a bit on the homophobic side. This is the NBA basically aligning themselves up with corp. America.
The justice department will strike this law down. More important is the part of the amendment that speaks that citizens can't sue for discrimination at the state level, only the Federal Level.
The bathroom thing is stupid on its own. They assume that its been legal for people to behave badly in bathrooms. I want to know how they will police it.

This shyt is really simple, if your not offering equal protections then your discriminating. Jordan is a puzzy.

GOAT? I admire the players like Oscar and Kareem that took pride in who they were and their place in history!
Muhammad Ali sacrificed for his principles. Jordan is about selling his brand. One can do both.

The homophobic NBA athlete is on the decline. I mean have you seen what Russell Westbrook wears to press conferences? Don't tell me those ideas came from a straight clothing designer.

Cartman718 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Finally, a sports organization's leadership backing the general sentiment of their employees. Things are on the up for the NBA.

I kind of thought professional athletes as being a bit on the homophobic side. This is the NBA basically aligning themselves up with corp. America.
The justice department will strike this law down. More important is the part of the amendment that speaks that citizens can't sue for discrimination at the state level, only the Federal Level.
The bathroom thing is stupid on its own. They assume that its been legal for people to behave badly in bathrooms. I want to know how they will police it.

This shyt is really simple, if your not offering equal protections then your discriminating. Jordan is a puzzy.

GOAT? I admire the players like Oscar and Kareem that took pride in who they were and their place in history!
Muhammad Ali sacrificed for his principles. Jordan is about selling his brand. One can do both.

The homophobic NBA athlete is on the decline. I mean have you seen what Russell Westbrook wears to press conferences? Don't tell me those ideas came from a straight clothing designer.

LOL! Im not sure its on the decline or players just being better educated/censured as to what they are outwardly communicating.

I don't get. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman.

Use the bathroom you're supposed to use.

CashMoney wrote:I don't get. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman.

Use the bathroom you're supposed to use.

But ... but ... what do we tell the children?

Knickoftime wrote:

CashMoney wrote:I don't get. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman.

Use the bathroom you're supposed to use.

But ... but ... what do we tell the children?

If you have a pee pee use the boys room. If you have a hoo ha use the girls room. The children will say "Oh ok."

CashMoney wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CashMoney wrote:I don't get. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman.

Use the bathroom you're supposed to use.

But ... but ... what do we tell the children?

If you have a pee pee use the boys room. If you have a hoo ha use the girls room. The children will say "Oh ok."

but what do we tell the boys that day they were born girls and havevto use the girls room. do we tell our daughter's ignore thier penis etc ?

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

Not sure if you were being serious but why not? I never understood why bathrooms are so "open" anyway and I never understood why toilet partitions never extend from the floor to the ceiling for total privacy.

I am absolutely serious.
There is no other way to satisfy all sides.
And no way to police this kind of low.
It is more of building code question that civil rights question.

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

Not sure if you were being serious but why not? I never understood why bathrooms are so "open" anyway and I never understood why toilet partitions never extend from the floor to the ceiling for total privacy.

I am absolutely serious.
There is no other way to satisfy all sides.
And no way to police this kind of low.
It is more of building code question that civil rights question.

This kind of low, indeed.

It's entirely amazing that we've now degraded as a society to the point where "gender feelings" are now equated with civil rights. Tell me, oh bastions of equality for all, when the large male who feels at odds with his gender decides to use the girls room at your daughter's school, are you hoping those floor to ceiling partitions are going to keep anything from happening, or do you just not give a sheehit if something does happen?

Just tell the little boys and girls to do whatever they feel. That's the elite worldview. Anything else is intolerant, "racist" (please explain how transgender is a race) and harmful.

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

Not sure if you were being serious but why not? I never understood why bathrooms are so "open" anyway and I never understood why toilet partitions never extend from the floor to the ceiling for total privacy.

I am absolutely serious.
There is no other way to satisfy all sides.
And no way to police this kind of low.
It is more of building code question that civil rights question.

This kind of low, indeed.

It's entirely amazing that we've now degraded as a society to the point where "gender feelings" are now equated with civil rights. Tell me, oh bastions of equality for all, when the large male who feels at odds with his gender decides to use the girls room at your daughter's school, are you hoping those floor to ceiling partitions are going to keep anything from happening, or do you just not give a sheehit if something does happen?

Just tell the little boys and girls to do whatever they feel. That's the elite worldview. Anything else is intolerant, "racist" (please explain how transgender is a race) and harmful.

If one positioning himself as minority he/she/it has responsibility and need to act differently and will be perceived differently (is is actually what being minority is all about?).
If for example I am an orthodox Jew I am not eating in regular diner.
And this is not because I am discriminated by kosher food not being served everywhere but because it is my choice.
America is not yet reach enough to provide every minority with everything they desire all over the place. May be one of those days...
For now minorities have to adjust to the reality of their choice or situation.

So we don't talk about women who don't have a penis, but identify as a man?
Nalod thinks you go sit and pee, don't anyone have to know if your taking a 1 or a 2.
If you dress like a women, go sit and pee.
If your a man and expose yourself, your breaking the law. Don't matter. This shyts been going on for a long time.
We have laws to protect.
As far as showering together? No, that's not cool. That's a different story. That's also a sports thing. but since we have women kickers in Football not showering with the guys, then its already been solved.

The Governor responds to the bathroom bill aspect, but fails to defend the discrimination portions of the bill that to me is far offensive than the transgender issues.

http://www.ncjustice.org/?q=18-questions...

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

Not sure if you were being serious but why not? I never understood why bathrooms are so "open" anyway and I never understood why toilet partitions never extend from the floor to the ceiling for total privacy.

I am absolutely serious.
There is no other way to satisfy all sides.
And no way to police this kind of low.
It is more of building code question that civil rights question.

This kind of low, indeed.

It's entirely amazing that we've now degraded as a society to the point where "gender feelings" are now equated with civil rights. Tell me, oh bastions of equality for all, when the large male who feels at odds with his gender decides to use the girls room at your daughter's school, are you hoping those floor to ceiling partitions are going to keep anything from happening, or do you just not give a sheehit if something does happen?

Just tell the little boys and girls to do whatever they feel. That's the elite worldview. Anything else is intolerant, "racist" (please explain how transgender is a race) and harmful.

A better question is what exactly are YOU expecting to happen? You really think people prone to molestation are going to be stopped by a bathroom law? 99.9% of people go to the bathroom to do their business. No matter what you do somebody is going to be uncomfortable. I imagine there are folks uncomfortable using the mens restroom with a guy wearing a dress. This is a big deal about nothing in my opinion. Little girls aren't being protected by this law.

Welpee wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

Not sure if you were being serious but why not? I never understood why bathrooms are so "open" anyway and I never understood why toilet partitions never extend from the floor to the ceiling for total privacy.

I am absolutely serious.
There is no other way to satisfy all sides.
And no way to police this kind of low.
It is more of building code question that civil rights question.

This kind of low, indeed.

It's entirely amazing that we've now degraded as a society to the point where "gender feelings" are now equated with civil rights. Tell me, oh bastions of equality for all, when the large male who feels at odds with his gender decides to use the girls room at your daughter's school, are you hoping those floor to ceiling partitions are going to keep anything from happening, or do you just not give a sheehit if something does happen?

Just tell the little boys and girls to do whatever they feel. That's the elite worldview. Anything else is intolerant, "racist" (please explain how transgender is a race) and harmful.

A better question is what exactly are YOU expecting to happen? You really think people prone to molestation are going to be stopped by a bathroom law? 99.9% of people go to the bathroom to do their business. No matter what you do somebody is going to be uncomfortable. I imagine there are folks uncomfortable using the mens restroom with a guy wearing a dress. This is a big deal about nothing in my opinion. Little girls aren't being protected by this law.

Really? So people prone to molestation won't see the ability to trot into any bathroom they please as an opportunity? Do you have any more meaningful statistics on what the predatory rates are for people prone to molestation are? You ever spoken to a police officer about how predatory child molesters actually are?

Can you really be this blase?

jrodmc wrote:

Welpee wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Just convert all toilets to be with personal cabins only.
Then everyone can use them without fear to see person of other sex - man, women, transgender man, transgender woman, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, be-sexual, and multi-sexual, monogamous and polygamous...

Not sure if you were being serious but why not? I never understood why bathrooms are so "open" anyway and I never understood why toilet partitions never extend from the floor to the ceiling for total privacy.

I am absolutely serious.
There is no other way to satisfy all sides.
And no way to police this kind of low.
It is more of building code question that civil rights question.

This kind of low, indeed.

It's entirely amazing that we've now degraded as a society to the point where "gender feelings" are now equated with civil rights. Tell me, oh bastions of equality for all, when the large male who feels at odds with his gender decides to use the girls room at your daughter's school, are you hoping those floor to ceiling partitions are going to keep anything from happening, or do you just not give a sheehit if something does happen?

Just tell the little boys and girls to do whatever they feel. That's the elite worldview. Anything else is intolerant, "racist" (please explain how transgender is a race) and harmful.

A better question is what exactly are YOU expecting to happen? You really think people prone to molestation are going to be stopped by a bathroom law? 99.9% of people go to the bathroom to do their business. No matter what you do somebody is going to be uncomfortable. I imagine there are folks uncomfortable using the mens restroom with a guy wearing a dress. This is a big deal about nothing in my opinion. Little girls aren't being protected by this law.

Really? So people prone to molestation won't see the ability to trot into any bathroom they please as an opportunity? Do you have any more meaningful statistics on what the predatory rates are for people prone to molestation are? You ever spoken to a police officer about how predatory child molesters actually are?

Can you really be this blase?

Genuine question.

How is this law being policed exactly?

Can you explain what you want to occur?

You want a transgender person, who now more than likely presents like the opposite sex they were born, using the bathroom of their birth gender.

So when a little girl is using a bathroom, a person presenting as male should join them in that bathroom, and when a little boy is using a bathroom, a person presenting as female should use that bathroom.

Pragmatically speaking, if predators prone to molestation are highly motivated, what is to stop a male from walking into the girls room, explaining if asked that they were born female?

If stopped by law enforcement, are they presenting a special new ID card? Are police literally doing a on-site "inspection."

The practical application is baffling. If properly applied, people presenting as men will be using girls rooms and vice versa.

THIS is the desired outcome?

What is this preventing again?